| Post office / Horizon show 19:46 - Jan 2 with 35952 views | RangersDave |
Christ, what great 'real' drama.
When i first heard about Horizon, waaaay back in the day, and even then with my rudimentary understanding of glitches, viruses, 'computer says no' etc, i knew there was something wildly 'fishy' about it.
Thoroughly recommend it to you all. |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 13:58 - Jan 12 with 2619 views | derbyhoop |
| Post office / Horizon show on 13:34 - Jan 12 by GloryHunter |
a great and invaluable service staffed by very hard working people
Yes, and those hardworking people have always been under pressure to make bigger profits for Post Office Ltd. I'm friendly with our local postmaster, and he has been told to offer foreign exchange to all his customers at peak holiday times - it's a big thing in the branch, with posters etc. But the exchange rates the Post Office provides are absolutely derisory compared to the rates anyone can get by shopping around. Not quite as bad as airport rates, but not far off. |
Always use a specialist currency company wherever possible. Not Western Union, either.
Living in France with income from UK, I'm acutely aware of exchange rate differences. 7 years as a French estate agent means I've still got contacts for anybody needing to transfer currencies between 2 different banks. |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 14:08 - Jan 12 with 2594 views | Juzzie |
| Post office / Horizon show on 13:34 - Jan 12 by GloryHunter |
a great and invaluable service staffed by very hard working people
Yes, and those hardworking people have always been under pressure to make bigger profits for Post Office Ltd. I'm friendly with our local postmaster, and he has been told to offer foreign exchange to all his customers at peak holiday times - it's a big thing in the branch, with posters etc. But the exchange rates the Post Office provides are absolutely derisory compared to the rates anyone can get by shopping around. Not quite as bad as airport rates, but not far off. |
Same with any big company. Push the staff to burnout levels all so the executives can get their fat bonuses, shareholders get their dividends etc.
Happening to me and my colleagues over the last few years, it's exhausting.
I've no problem with a capitalist environment and aiming to make a profit but not to the point where people are being deliberately burnt out so the top can cream it off. |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 14:23 - Jan 12 with 2549 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Post office / Horizon show on 14:08 - Jan 12 by Juzzie |
Same with any big company. Push the staff to burnout levels all so the executives can get their fat bonuses, shareholders get their dividends etc.
Happening to me and my colleagues over the last few years, it's exhausting.
I've no problem with a capitalist environment and aiming to make a profit but not to the point where people are being deliberately burnt out so the top can cream it off. |
But this also happens in public service environments. The only difference is that the main factor driving the decisions isn't profit, but a mixture of incompetency, laziness & a lack of accountability. |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 15:13 - Jan 12 with 2495 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Post office / Horizon show on 14:08 - Jan 12 by Juzzie |
Same with any big company. Push the staff to burnout levels all so the executives can get their fat bonuses, shareholders get their dividends etc.
Happening to me and my colleagues over the last few years, it's exhausting.
I've no problem with a capitalist environment and aiming to make a profit but not to the point where people are being deliberately burnt out so the top can cream it off. |
Been going that way for years. The public sector has been hit particularly bad and squeezed to make the services provided seem so bad, that privatisation is made more appealing.
I did some work on analysing the treatment and effects of working during Covid on health sector workers. Years of systemic dismantling of the service, under-staffed and resourced, and reliance on foreign nationals in dangerous work situations, was shocking reading, which made the Thursday clapping a derisory insult.
Frankly, how, much less why many work in the health sector, is beyond me. What some put up with and go through is just wrong. We should be grateful for all of them, because many have and are leaving the service in droves and God help us if another pandemic comes around soon. |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 17:44 - Jan 16 with 2214 views | Bedford_R |
Fujitsu sort of apologising and not remembering. They need to cough up hundreds of millions and stop fleecing the tax payer with dodgy government deals. I think the PO were scared to blame Fujitsu as Fujitsu like to sue government institutions - like the NHS.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67993493 |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 18:47 - Jan 16 with 2150 views | Jimthehip |
| Post office / Horizon show on 14:08 - Jan 12 by Juzzie |
Same with any big company. Push the staff to burnout levels all so the executives can get their fat bonuses, shareholders get their dividends etc.
Happening to me and my colleagues over the last few years, it's exhausting.
I've no problem with a capitalist environment and aiming to make a profit but not to the point where people are being deliberately burnt out so the top can cream it off. |
Extracting the largest surplus is the point of capitalism. This is why what's happening in congo is happening. Its why the world has been colonised by a tiny minority of people. The expropriation of the land, labour and resources of the majority is the point of the system regardless of yhe human misery inflicted |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 18:51 - Jan 16 with 2146 views | Jimthehip |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:13 - Jan 12 by PlanetHonneywood |
Been going that way for years. The public sector has been hit particularly bad and squeezed to make the services provided seem so bad, that privatisation is made more appealing.
I did some work on analysing the treatment and effects of working during Covid on health sector workers. Years of systemic dismantling of the service, under-staffed and resourced, and reliance on foreign nationals in dangerous work situations, was shocking reading, which made the Thursday clapping a derisory insult.
Frankly, how, much less why many work in the health sector, is beyond me. What some put up with and go through is just wrong. We should be grateful for all of them, because many have and are leaving the service in droves and God help us if another pandemic comes around soon. |
At all costs we have to keep the vampire capitalists away from Britain. All these people have done is r*pe us over and over again, control or media brainwashed us and make us divided. | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 19:38 - Jan 16 with 2092 views | GroveR |
| Post office / Horizon show on 19:43 - Jan 10 by Northernr |
It still boggles my mind that you can get to a point where you're pursuing 3,500 postmasters for thieving without thinking 'hang on a minute'. |
Nick Wallis highlights PoL's inability to consider it's own data from the very beginning - even if you changed nothing else, you'd look at this and wonder...
"Right lads, we're prosecuting record numbers of SPOs this year. Apart from the new back-office system we're rolling out, what's changed?"
"Stuart Wardley finished top scorer for Rangers"
"Sound, we'll blame that then" |  | | |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 19:50 - Jan 16 with 2057 views | Jimthehip |
| Post office / Horizon show on 14:23 - Jan 12 by SheffieldHoop |
But this also happens in public service environments. The only difference is that the main factor driving the decisions isn't profit, but a mixture of incompetency, laziness & a lack of accountability. |
Laziness,incompetency and a lack of accountability is found in all economic modes of production.
even anecdotally You can witness this everyday in your job here in the UK.
The people who run Britain are completely unaccountable. We may get a different person from either the Labour Party or the Conservative Party representing them, however, the tiny few who own everything cannot be removed and their control over every aspect of our lives cannot be changed.
You should read a book called 'killing hope' by William Blum. He goes into great detail how peoples all over the world who tried to have any form of economic independence during the 20th century were killed indiscriminately. You can only understand the world if you understand the dominant mode of economic production. | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 13:43 - Jan 17 with 1901 views | SheffieldHoop |
"Laziness,incompetency and a lack of accountability is found in all economic modes of production."
Yes, the point is, in the public sector the consequences for it are often lacking or non-existant. In the private sector, you're out on your arse relatively quickly.
With regard to the "staffing crisis" in healthcare - Surely it's about time we had a conversation about what the NHS is really for. Easy to claim you have a staffing crisis while you're offering talking therapies to anybody who can be bothered to refer themselves, in a society obsessed with mental health, in any language they want, whether they make NI contributions or not.....I'm sure you can already see that the demand this generates is absurdly huge. The bill for translation services in W London alone for adult talking therapies (Christ knows what it goes up to if we include child & adolescents) is in the tens of millions. That's just for the translation. You've then got to find a qualified therapist and pay them the going rate, which starts at about 43k (+ London weighting, 15 to 20% depending on where your office is based) - while they're still mostly working from home and doing sessions over the phone.
Is talking therapies really what the NHS is for? Is it what the NHS should be for? I dunno personally. How did we even get to a point where "Talking therapy" is seen as necessary healthcare in the UK, free at the point of use? How many people have their situations improved by it? I can only speak from my personal experience, and when I've engaged with it, I found the whole thing a complete waste of time. It did nothing for me other than take an hour out of my day every couple of weeks. Completely & utterly futile.
There are other examples of NHS overreach like this, the whole Tavistock & Portman scandal being another. Arguably, the covid vaccine being delivered to young, fit & healthy people on a mass scale is another. Is this what the NHS is for? Giving vaccines to people who don't need them? Do we honestly think the UK government collects enough tax to make this thing viable? Should we not wind it in a bit, and just concentrate on getting the cancers, strokes, heart attacks etc dealt with as efficiently as possible first, before we attempt to medicalize all the healthy people as well?
Current load of rubbish LFW users want us to buy into - that Troy Deeney is deliberately "blame shifting" for calling out players over a lack of effort - But that ITV would never attempt to "blame shift" from their old CEO to this random dumb Church woman they decided to drag into this. Sad.
Anyway, don't wanna take this thread off track. As you were. | |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 14:29 - Jan 17 with 1833 views | Jimthehip |
| Post office / Horizon show on 13:43 - Jan 17 by SheffieldHoop |
"Laziness,incompetency and a lack of accountability is found in all economic modes of production."
Yes, the point is, in the public sector the consequences for it are often lacking or non-existant. In the private sector, you're out on your arse relatively quickly.
With regard to the "staffing crisis" in healthcare - Surely it's about time we had a conversation about what the NHS is really for. Easy to claim you have a staffing crisis while you're offering talking therapies to anybody who can be bothered to refer themselves, in a society obsessed with mental health, in any language they want, whether they make NI contributions or not.....I'm sure you can already see that the demand this generates is absurdly huge. The bill for translation services in W London alone for adult talking therapies (Christ knows what it goes up to if we include child & adolescents) is in the tens of millions. That's just for the translation. You've then got to find a qualified therapist and pay them the going rate, which starts at about 43k (+ London weighting, 15 to 20% depending on where your office is based) - while they're still mostly working from home and doing sessions over the phone.
Is talking therapies really what the NHS is for? Is it what the NHS should be for? I dunno personally. How did we even get to a point where "Talking therapy" is seen as necessary healthcare in the UK, free at the point of use? How many people have their situations improved by it? I can only speak from my personal experience, and when I've engaged with it, I found the whole thing a complete waste of time. It did nothing for me other than take an hour out of my day every couple of weeks. Completely & utterly futile.
There are other examples of NHS overreach like this, the whole Tavistock & Portman scandal being another. Arguably, the covid vaccine being delivered to young, fit & healthy people on a mass scale is another. Is this what the NHS is for? Giving vaccines to people who don't need them? Do we honestly think the UK government collects enough tax to make this thing viable? Should we not wind it in a bit, and just concentrate on getting the cancers, strokes, heart attacks etc dealt with as efficiently as possible first, before we attempt to medicalize all the healthy people as well?
Current load of rubbish LFW users want us to buy into - that Troy Deeney is deliberately "blame shifting" for calling out players over a lack of effort - But that ITV would never attempt to "blame shift" from their old CEO to this random dumb Church woman they decided to drag into this. Sad.
Anyway, don't wanna take this thread off track. As you were. |
hmm I'm not sure those in the private sector get put out on their arse. The private individuals whom run Britain cannot be voted out or removed. Maybe a guy who works as a manager in a company can get fired.
The NHS is there to provide health services to the majority whom otherwise would not be able to receive heal care if heal care is produced under exchange value. Obviously the NHS is being sold off despite it being overwhelming popularity as we are not a democracy at all.
I'm not sure you know what a vaccine is.I think this gets back to point we spoke about before - you form opinions based on stuff you read on twitter and are unwilling to learn or read about important concepts you offer opinions on. | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:13 - Jan 17 with 1775 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Post office / Horizon show on 14:29 - Jan 17 by Jimthehip |
hmm I'm not sure those in the private sector get put out on their arse. The private individuals whom run Britain cannot be voted out or removed. Maybe a guy who works as a manager in a company can get fired.
The NHS is there to provide health services to the majority whom otherwise would not be able to receive heal care if heal care is produced under exchange value. Obviously the NHS is being sold off despite it being overwhelming popularity as we are not a democracy at all.
I'm not sure you know what a vaccine is.I think this gets back to point we spoke about before - you form opinions based on stuff you read on twitter and are unwilling to learn or read about important concepts you offer opinions on. |
Well, I was put out on my arse by the private sector. It was one of my primary motivations to move into the public sector. That security. Since doing so, I have more than doubled what I earned in the private sector, and I get almost twice as much paid time off n all. Working in the public sector is a dream compared with most companies I've worked for.
I was hospitalised by a vaccine in 2017, before it became more trendy recently. I was also threatened with losing my job, just a few months before the birth of my first child, because - Due to advice I had from some very senior Doctors, direct colleagues of mine - I was not in a position to take the vaccine. The powers that be claimed you could get "Medical exemption" but it was a lie. Medical exemption never formally existed to my knowledge. And god knows I tried my best to get it.
But yeah I'm sure you're right, all the unconscious bias sits with me, never with you. | |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 15:47 - Jan 17 with 1717 views | R_from_afar |
| Post office / Horizon show on 14:08 - Jan 12 by Juzzie |
Same with any big company. Push the staff to burnout levels all so the executives can get their fat bonuses, shareholders get their dividends etc.
Happening to me and my colleagues over the last few years, it's exhausting.
I've no problem with a capitalist environment and aiming to make a profit but not to the point where people are being deliberately burnt out so the top can cream it off. |
That reminds me of the situation at a previous employer. One quarter, sales were disappointing, so, surprise surprise surprise, the metaphorical axe was taken to those lower down the organisation.
I can remember the solemn face and fake sympathy of the chief marketing officer (CMO) as they announced that my mate's role was being made redundant. He worked really hard and was very dedicated, plus he was already doing the work of two people following previous cuts.
That CMO's remuneration package was a matter of public record and was worth a cool $6m annually. They could've taken a slight pay cut and saved several jobs. Never going to happen grrr
I actually worked out the other day that I have been made redundant from every job I have had since - wait for it - 1997. The last one was just last year. Very tedious  |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 15:56 - Jan 17 with 1695 views | Jimthehip |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:13 - Jan 17 by SheffieldHoop |
Well, I was put out on my arse by the private sector. It was one of my primary motivations to move into the public sector. That security. Since doing so, I have more than doubled what I earned in the private sector, and I get almost twice as much paid time off n all. Working in the public sector is a dream compared with most companies I've worked for.
I was hospitalised by a vaccine in 2017, before it became more trendy recently. I was also threatened with losing my job, just a few months before the birth of my first child, because - Due to advice I had from some very senior Doctors, direct colleagues of mine - I was not in a position to take the vaccine. The powers that be claimed you could get "Medical exemption" but it was a lie. Medical exemption never formally existed to my knowledge. And god knows I tried my best to get it.
But yeah I'm sure you're right, all the unconscious bias sits with me, never with you. |
So you're sort of advocating for private ownership whilst simultaneously telling me you have much better working conditions and better pay in the public sector?
The second paragraph I can't respond to because you don't give any details. We're you forced to take a vaccine which can harm your health? Obviously that's insane but it isn't really related to the wider insinuation that the NHS shouldn't offer vaccones
These anecdotes you offer are not evidence that the NHS shouldn't offer vaccines for the covid virus or shouldn't offer mental health services for the public - countless people kill themselves today although I would argue its the dire situation they ate in, depression does kill people. If you have a child it's very likely they will grow up depressed.
If we wanna live in a world that isn't literally suicidal and insane we have to understand who the enemies are. The media invents narratives that divide the working class so that the ruling class can keep attaining greater profits at our expense. (They don't create wealth, they extract it from us). You must understand that this "woke brigade" thing is nonsense. You have to move on from this. | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 16:14 - Jan 17 with 1647 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:56 - Jan 17 by Jimthehip |
So you're sort of advocating for private ownership whilst simultaneously telling me you have much better working conditions and better pay in the public sector?
The second paragraph I can't respond to because you don't give any details. We're you forced to take a vaccine which can harm your health? Obviously that's insane but it isn't really related to the wider insinuation that the NHS shouldn't offer vaccones
These anecdotes you offer are not evidence that the NHS shouldn't offer vaccines for the covid virus or shouldn't offer mental health services for the public - countless people kill themselves today although I would argue its the dire situation they ate in, depression does kill people. If you have a child it's very likely they will grow up depressed.
If we wanna live in a world that isn't literally suicidal and insane we have to understand who the enemies are. The media invents narratives that divide the working class so that the ruling class can keep attaining greater profits at our expense. (They don't create wealth, they extract it from us). You must understand that this "woke brigade" thing is nonsense. You have to move on from this. |
Did I say they shouldn't offer vaccines or mental health care in general? Not sure I did.
I said it's easy to make out you're understaffed when you manufacture such a high demand for your service. Services that are questionable in morality and quality in the first place.
As for the rest of it.....Well, I don't even know what to tell you. Put the commie books down and get a bird or something mate. [Post edited 17 Jan 16:20]
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| Post office / Horizon show on 18:23 - Jan 17 with 1557 views | Jimthehip |
| Post office / Horizon show on 16:14 - Jan 17 by SheffieldHoop |
Did I say they shouldn't offer vaccines or mental health care in general? Not sure I did.
I said it's easy to make out you're understaffed when you manufacture such a high demand for your service. Services that are questionable in morality and quality in the first place.
As for the rest of it.....Well, I don't even know what to tell you. Put the commie books down and get a bird or something mate. [Post edited 17 Jan 16:20]
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You asked if it's the role of the NHS to provide these services, inferring that it wasn't.
There's no manufacture of demand (in the context of healthcare, this assertion makes no sense as it shouldnt be considered a commodity)
Having vaccines and mental health therapist are not questionable morally either (again sheffield these statements makr no sense)This is why I ask you whether you understand what a virus is or the concept of depession?The quality is done on purpose that is manufactured however. Private companies want to control our healthcare.
But this is the trouble Sheffield, you don't read anything or learn history or are willing to listen to anybody with a different view than you. You believe you know better despite openly saying you wont kearn. You insist on having opinions but when you're challenged you bulk at reading the material or are unable to respond with anything better than "get a bird mate"
With regard to communism, this will grow in popularity as a function of time. You are watching the death of the American beast. Of course, if you're unwilling to actually view the world beyond "woke brigade out to get me" then I can't help you. | | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 18:28 - Jan 17 with 1551 views | loftupper |
| Post office / Horizon show on 15:13 - Jan 17 by SheffieldHoop |
Well, I was put out on my arse by the private sector. It was one of my primary motivations to move into the public sector. That security. Since doing so, I have more than doubled what I earned in the private sector, and I get almost twice as much paid time off n all. Working in the public sector is a dream compared with most companies I've worked for.
I was hospitalised by a vaccine in 2017, before it became more trendy recently. I was also threatened with losing my job, just a few months before the birth of my first child, because - Due to advice I had from some very senior Doctors, direct colleagues of mine - I was not in a position to take the vaccine. The powers that be claimed you could get "Medical exemption" but it was a lie. Medical exemption never formally existed to my knowledge. And god knows I tried my best to get it.
But yeah I'm sure you're right, all the unconscious bias sits with me, never with you. |
Its been like this for a while, certainly for IT workers. Public sector have tried to raise wages to attract decent quality engineers but rarely do good coders want to work on public sector projects so they are left with whats left. Its hardly surprising that these generally important and vital projects never get finished as its not in the interests of the bang average coders working on it to finish it.
Couple that with companies like Oracle, Microsoft etc selling in services that rarely work as intended and you end up with a massive leak of public money going into the coffers of companies and workers / contractors treating it like a gravy train.
The idea of the public sector is then tarnished not because its in itself a bad idea but because these contractors and private companies are just simply taking advantage. |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 20:30 - Jan 17 with 1456 views | Sonofpugwash |
Police investigations slated to take until at least 2026.
The victims ain't getting jack shit. |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 21:10 - Jan 17 with 1412 views | numptydumpty |
| Post office / Horizon show on 20:30 - Jan 17 by Sonofpugwash |
Police investigations slated to take until at least 2026.
The victims ain't getting jack shit. |
Utterly despicable
All that has happened is a few MP s have been asking a few questions now and post office send a man out to bat who avoids any blame personally as be wasn't in charge when the sh*t hit the fan !! |  |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 21:18 - Jan 17 with 1379 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Post office / Horizon show on 18:28 - Jan 17 by loftupper |
Its been like this for a while, certainly for IT workers. Public sector have tried to raise wages to attract decent quality engineers but rarely do good coders want to work on public sector projects so they are left with whats left. Its hardly surprising that these generally important and vital projects never get finished as its not in the interests of the bang average coders working on it to finish it.
Couple that with companies like Oracle, Microsoft etc selling in services that rarely work as intended and you end up with a massive leak of public money going into the coffers of companies and workers / contractors treating it like a gravy train.
The idea of the public sector is then tarnished not because its in itself a bad idea but because these contractors and private companies are just simply taking advantage. |
Which public sector IT projects are left? I know a lot of the NHS is dumping their in-house software in exchange for off-the-shelf solutions (Hopefully not fujitsu!). Some are provided by Google, Oracle....But a lot more provided by British start-ups like Emis, TPP, Servelec etc. I dunno if that's entirely fair either, there are some talented IT guys in the NHS, but I wouldn't really know as I'm not a coder.
I also thought these companies were using it as a gravy train (Having worked in a couple) until I found out what the NHS was paying for the things they replace. Few years ago I replaced clock-in machines for staff required to register the time they start/finish work. Replaced an old punchcard thing with a new snazzy fingerprint scanner which also, if all done correctly, can enable you to access your pay from the moment you clock off work. The annual cost of the licence and maintenance went down by over 90% compared to the old machines. | |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 21:20 - Jan 17 with 1377 views | LongsufferingR |
| Post office / Horizon show on 18:23 - Jan 17 by Jimthehip |
You asked if it's the role of the NHS to provide these services, inferring that it wasn't.
There's no manufacture of demand (in the context of healthcare, this assertion makes no sense as it shouldnt be considered a commodity)
Having vaccines and mental health therapist are not questionable morally either (again sheffield these statements makr no sense)This is why I ask you whether you understand what a virus is or the concept of depession?The quality is done on purpose that is manufactured however. Private companies want to control our healthcare.
But this is the trouble Sheffield, you don't read anything or learn history or are willing to listen to anybody with a different view than you. You believe you know better despite openly saying you wont kearn. You insist on having opinions but when you're challenged you bulk at reading the material or are unable to respond with anything better than "get a bird mate"
With regard to communism, this will grow in popularity as a function of time. You are watching the death of the American beast. Of course, if you're unwilling to actually view the world beyond "woke brigade out to get me" then I can't help you. |
Are you Stainrod's Elbow? It's a bit rich telling others to expand their horizons and listen to other opinions when that's exactly the opposite of what you do yourself. All you do is immerse yourself in books or articles that agree with your point of view and shout down anybody else. The same trick he pulls to try and gain the "intellectual" high ground.
Before you respond I am not saying which side of the discussion I'm on as I'm not posting to agree or disagree with you, just to point out that you are in the top two (or one) of the most one-eyed posters on here. |  | | |
| Post office / Horizon show on 21:24 - Jan 17 with 1357 views | numptydumpty |
| Post office / Horizon show on 13:43 - Jan 17 by SheffieldHoop |
"Laziness,incompetency and a lack of accountability is found in all economic modes of production."
Yes, the point is, in the public sector the consequences for it are often lacking or non-existant. In the private sector, you're out on your arse relatively quickly.
With regard to the "staffing crisis" in healthcare - Surely it's about time we had a conversation about what the NHS is really for. Easy to claim you have a staffing crisis while you're offering talking therapies to anybody who can be bothered to refer themselves, in a society obsessed with mental health, in any language they want, whether they make NI contributions or not.....I'm sure you can already see that the demand this generates is absurdly huge. The bill for translation services in W London alone for adult talking therapies (Christ knows what it goes up to if we include child & adolescents) is in the tens of millions. That's just for the translation. You've then got to find a qualified therapist and pay them the going rate, which starts at about 43k (+ London weighting, 15 to 20% depending on where your office is based) - while they're still mostly working from home and doing sessions over the phone.
Is talking therapies really what the NHS is for? Is it what the NHS should be for? I dunno personally. How did we even get to a point where "Talking therapy" is seen as necessary healthcare in the UK, free at the point of use? How many people have their situations improved by it? I can only speak from my personal experience, and when I've engaged with it, I found the whole thing a complete waste of time. It did nothing for me other than take an hour out of my day every couple of weeks. Completely & utterly futile.
There are other examples of NHS overreach like this, the whole Tavistock & Portman scandal being another. Arguably, the covid vaccine being delivered to young, fit & healthy people on a mass scale is another. Is this what the NHS is for? Giving vaccines to people who don't need them? Do we honestly think the UK government collects enough tax to make this thing viable? Should we not wind it in a bit, and just concentrate on getting the cancers, strokes, heart attacks etc dealt with as efficiently as possible first, before we attempt to medicalize all the healthy people as well?
Current load of rubbish LFW users want us to buy into - that Troy Deeney is deliberately "blame shifting" for calling out players over a lack of effort - But that ITV would never attempt to "blame shift" from their old CEO to this random dumb Church woman they decided to drag into this. Sad.
Anyway, don't wanna take this thread off track. As you were. |
This is not this thread but just randomly answering your point about community mental health services
They are the most inadequate they have been in the last forty years of their history
People are not attracted to the profession. Tick box obsession , too much admin. , too many ridiculously time wasting you tube robot training courses on the bleeding obvious
And you mention talking therapies. They offer six appointments, more questions. And answer process than gaining any real insight into helping an individual feel less overwhelmed .
Hence why if that's your mode of help, only way is private therapy.
But so many wrong uns in the profession which can be amazingly damaging to the wrong person
But if you related these particular po8nts to this thread getting back on track, there really needs to be a massive duty of care to all the victims of the evil post office fujitsu and justice system triad of terror...
But there won't be in anyways
The farce simply gets more disgustingly farcical.
Utter Contempt on a scale in corporate world that there has ever been.
Prosecutions and custodial sentences for those in the know at Post Office and Fujitsu would be true justice. Not going to happen.
There are no words!! [Post edited 17 Jan 21:31]
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| Post office / Horizon show on 21:27 - Jan 17 with 1352 views | SheffieldHoop |
| Post office / Horizon show on 18:23 - Jan 17 by Jimthehip |
You asked if it's the role of the NHS to provide these services, inferring that it wasn't.
There's no manufacture of demand (in the context of healthcare, this assertion makes no sense as it shouldnt be considered a commodity)
Having vaccines and mental health therapist are not questionable morally either (again sheffield these statements makr no sense)This is why I ask you whether you understand what a virus is or the concept of depession?The quality is done on purpose that is manufactured however. Private companies want to control our healthcare.
But this is the trouble Sheffield, you don't read anything or learn history or are willing to listen to anybody with a different view than you. You believe you know better despite openly saying you wont kearn. You insist on having opinions but when you're challenged you bulk at reading the material or are unable to respond with anything better than "get a bird mate"
With regard to communism, this will grow in popularity as a function of time. You are watching the death of the American beast. Of course, if you're unwilling to actually view the world beyond "woke brigade out to get me" then I can't help you. |
Jimbob, I've already got a long list of books that I want to read. So the last thing I need is you piling on crank recommendations that I don't even want to read.
Next up for me will be "Daylight Robbery" by Dominic Frisby if you're interested. | |
| "Someone despises me. That's their problem." Marcus Aurelius |
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| Post office / Horizon show on 21:33 - Jan 17 with 1338 views | NorthantsHoop |
What has furthered my curiosity about this whole sorry saga is what in the major Post Office branches i.e. Crown Post Offices directly run by the Post Office not the ones run by Sub branch postmasters was happening with the Horizon system, were those branches and staff directly employed by the Post Office being caught out by the Horizon system, or was it all being covered up and only affecting the sub post offices. [Post edited 17 Jan 22:03]
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| Post office / Horizon show on 21:49 - Jan 17 with 1292 views | Hayesender |
Just watched the whole lot in one sitting. Very emotional viewing ranging from sadness to pure anger at the injustice of it all. Add to the fact those cnts Angela van den Bogerd and Paula Vennells are still walking around free is just sickening |  |
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