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I'm disappointed in myself for rising to the tinfoil disciple, but I'll bite.
Regarding point number 3, the vaccine was never about protecting you or me (although it did do that effectively). It was about protecting precisely those who you mention - elderly people who were far more vulnerable to infection. You get Covid and you'll likely have some unpleasant but bearable symptoms for a week - if you then go and visit your elderly mum with multiple comorbidities and increased frailty there's a chance you'll kill her.
I saw first-hand (multiple times) how one instance of Covid swept through a community of the elderly and unwell, killing the vast majority of them.
You mean like any other respiratory problem attached to people catching Flu etc etc with an already underlying health problem or being very frail...some folk are more susceptible like anything.
The mass advertising campaign about everyone "needing" a vaccine was to "protect others" .(the majority of folk didnt actually need one)
You mean like any other respiratory problem attached to people catching Flu etc etc with an already underlying health problem or being very frail...some folk are more susceptible like anything.
The mass advertising campaign about everyone "needing" a vaccine was to "protect others" .(the majority of folk didnt actually need one)
Its like it's almost vanished now too,
Yes... hence why anyone expected to have close contact with the unwell or elderly is expected to have the annual influenza vaccine.
Yes... hence why anyone expected to have close contact with the unwell or elderly is expected to have the annual influenza vaccine.
How strange, given my wife gets called in annually to have the flu vaccine yet nobody else in the house is offered one, knowing we all live in the same house, something doesn't quite stack up then
I'm disappointed in myself for rising to the tinfoil disciple, but I'll bite.
Regarding point number 3, the vaccine was never about protecting you or me (although it did do that effectively). It was about protecting precisely those who you mention - elderly people who were far more vulnerable to infection. You get Covid and you'll likely have some unpleasant but bearable symptoms for a week - if you then go and visit your elderly mum with multiple comorbidities and increased frailty there's a chance you'll kill her.
I saw first-hand (multiple times) how one instance of Covid swept through a community of the elderly and unwell, killing the vast majority of them.
But the covid 19 vaccine was never tested for transmission
But the covid 19 vaccine was never tested for transmission
Its impact on transmission was measured though and was found to be significant, for the original wild type virus. Thus declined (and was eventually eliminated) as more variants appeared, however.
Anyway, I wonder what is going on in the water down in Southampton. What next? 9/11 conspiracy theories with Jason Dodd? We didn't land on the moon with Ken Monkou?
Its impact on transmission was measured though and was found to be significant, for the original wild type virus. Thus declined (and was eventually eliminated) as more variants appeared, however.
I'm more surprised folk pay any factual notice whatsoever linked to information from the government, most of whom couldn't lie straight in bed, the corrupt set of parasites.
I'm more surprised folk pay any factual notice whatsoever linked to information from the government, most of whom couldn't lie straight in bed, the corrupt set of parasites.
It's from what was then Public Health England and was published in a journal. That's just a government press release. The paper is here, I doubt they were just making it up https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmc2107717
I'm more surprised folk pay any factual notice whatsoever linked to information from the government, most of whom couldn't lie straight in bed, the corrupt set of parasites.
If you saw how thoroughly any new drug is tested before it's released it would blow your mind. Any drug is tested in 4 phases. The Covid vaccine was no different. The only difference is it was performed at incredible speed, due to a combination of factors - a global urgency; immense funding; and profits not being considered paramount importance. This is not something the British government could simply cover up. It's regulated by powers beyond them.
Its impact on transmission was measured though and was found to be significant, for the original wild type virus. Thus declined (and was eventually eliminated) as more variants appeared, however.
If you believe the Bat and Pangolin story I have a bridge to sell you. Rather more interesting is the fact that Fort Detrick the US germ warfare centre has been suddenly closed down on August 4th, much of the original Corona virus research was done there. The "fact checkers" ,(whoever they are and who appointed them?), have been desperately trying to deny any involvement of Fort Detrick.. my suspicion is that "they doth complain too much"
You mean like any other respiratory problem attached to people catching Flu etc etc with an already underlying health problem or being very frail...some folk are more susceptible like anything.
The mass advertising campaign about everyone "needing" a vaccine was to "protect others" .(the majority of folk didnt actually need one)
Its like it's almost vanished now too,
Really? There is a new strain that's been sweeping through southern Europe & it's here now. I know of a few people who have gone down with it.
If you saw how thoroughly any new drug is tested before it's released it would blow your mind. Any drug is tested in 4 phases. The Covid vaccine was no different. The only difference is it was performed at incredible speed, due to a combination of factors - a global urgency; immense funding; and profits not being considered paramount importance. This is not something the British government could simply cover up. It's regulated by powers beyond them.
I've no real problem how its tested I've a massive problem with the blatant bollox that everyone in the country/world ever even needed a vaccination.
Absolutely its regulated by powers above them, until we start questioning motives too of various organisations, business and pharmaceutical companies and their main priority being profits and not remotely our well being, we may be onto something closer to the truth.
Indeed, I must have somehow missed it now its not on a daily count like some kind of ghoulish obsession the country was forced to endure.
Every country in the world was forced to endure it, Italy, Germany, USA etc . Just like our brave NHS workers who were also forced to endure it. It's not something that needs underplaying. The hospitals resembled war zones in the beginning, nobody knew what they were dealing with, or the best way of treating it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it? There was a worldwide shortage of PPE in the beginning. Nurses were terrified of going to work, especially those who had to look after the relentless turnover of patients on the covid wards. I know because my wife was one of those nurses, over 30 years in the job and visibly upset and frightened before she went out to do the night shift and face a unknown virus that was killing thousands of people every day. Every nurse on her ward was frightened, especially those young in service. It upset me too, it's not nice seeing your wife like that. The numbers needed publicising because the clowns amongst us wouldn't listen and always know better than the medical experts and virologist. The thousands of NHS staff who worked through those darkest of days deserve a medal, many lost their life's fulfilling their duty.
Every country in the world was forced to endure it, Italy, Germany, USA etc . Just like our brave NHS workers who were also forced to endure it. It's not something that needs underplaying. The hospitals resembled war zones in the beginning, nobody knew what they were dealing with, or the best way of treating it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it? There was a worldwide shortage of PPE in the beginning. Nurses were terrified of going to work, especially those who had to look after the relentless turnover of patients on the covid wards. I know because my wife was one of those nurses, over 30 years in the job and visibly upset and frightened before she went out to do the night shift and face a unknown virus that was killing thousands of people every day. Every nurse on her ward was frightened, especially those young in service. It upset me too, it's not nice seeing your wife like that. The numbers needed publicising because the clowns amongst us wouldn't listen and always know better than the medical experts and virologist. The thousands of NHS staff who worked through those darkest of days deserve a medal, many lost their life's fulfilling their duty.
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apologies...I meant to mark up...but fatty fingers and using my phone led to the wrong mark.
Every country in the world was forced to endure it, Italy, Germany, USA etc . Just like our brave NHS workers who were also forced to endure it. It's not something that needs underplaying. The hospitals resembled war zones in the beginning, nobody knew what they were dealing with, or the best way of treating it. Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it? There was a worldwide shortage of PPE in the beginning. Nurses were terrified of going to work, especially those who had to look after the relentless turnover of patients on the covid wards. I know because my wife was one of those nurses, over 30 years in the job and visibly upset and frightened before she went out to do the night shift and face a unknown virus that was killing thousands of people every day. Every nurse on her ward was frightened, especially those young in service. It upset me too, it's not nice seeing your wife like that. The numbers needed publicising because the clowns amongst us wouldn't listen and always know better than the medical experts and virologist. The thousands of NHS staff who worked through those darkest of days deserve a medal, many lost their life's fulfilling their duty.
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I'm well aware what went on my sister was also on duty too throughout but shares a different opinion to yours and your wife, not saying you're wrong TS either but like anything folks opinions differ, neither was my post a pop at the NHS in any way.
How they recorded the deaths massively skewed figures too initially using the "death with covid" within 28 days of a positive rather than directly because of the virus.
Having known folk sadly pass away throughout the height of it all I'm fully aware it was real, but whilst taking the average age of deaths and the weird obsession for the whole country to be double, triple vaccinated even, im just not convinced we've ever been told the full truth.
I'm well aware what went on my sister was also on duty too throughout but shares a different opinion to yours and your wife, not saying you're wrong TS either but like anything folks opinions differ, neither was my post a pop at the NHS in any way.
How they recorded the deaths massively skewed figures too initially using the "death with covid" within 28 days of a positive rather than directly because of the virus.
Having known folk sadly pass away throughout the height of it all I'm fully aware it was real, but whilst taking the average age of deaths and the weird obsession for the whole country to be double, triple vaccinated even, im just not convinced we've ever been told the full truth.
I trust my GP because i have no medical qualifications, if he tells me to have the vaccinations, whether that be for covid or flu then i take his advice. I wouldn't have the audacity to tell him he is wrong. I find it bizarre that people with zero medical or scientific background feel as though they can pontificate about such specialist subjects, not just that, they really think they know better than some of the most qualified people in the world. Anyway, it's been debated to death and going off topic.
I trust my GP because i have no medical qualifications, if he tells me to have the vaccinations, whether that be for covid or flu then i take his advice. I wouldn't have the audacity to tell him he is wrong. I find it bizarre that people with zero medical or scientific background feel as though they can pontificate about such specialist subjects, not just that, they really think they know better than some of the most qualified people in the world. Anyway, it's been debated to death and going off topic.
Indeed, its not about telling anyone they're wrong , it's having an option to choose rather than being backed into a corner or made to feel guilty, that should never have been the case, or maybe just knowing the risks and their own body they might figure they don't want a vaccination. It has gone well off topic you're right, anyway have a good day 👍
Indeed, its not about telling anyone they're wrong , it's having an option to choose rather than being backed into a corner or made to feel guilty, that should never have been the case, or maybe just knowing the risks and their own body they might figure they don't want a vaccination. It has gone well off topic you're right, anyway have a good day 👍
Yes, difference of opinion that's all. Good day to you also.
I trust my GP because i have no medical qualifications, if he tells me to have the vaccinations, whether that be for covid or flu then i take his advice. I wouldn't have the audacity to tell him he is wrong. I find it bizarre that people with zero medical or scientific background feel as though they can pontificate about such specialist subjects, not just that, they really think they know better than some of the most qualified people in the world. Anyway, it's been debated to death and going off topic.
Whilst the internet is a truly wonderful tool to allow information gathering, it also makes "experts" of too many who have read one piece or p-o-v. Not only can that give a lop-sided view of something, it can also be flat out wrong too. In a medical context, GPs/consultants get thoroughly peed off with "Dr. Google" during consultations. Way before the internet, the adage "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" was coined. It will never go out of fashion.
What was cuccckkkoooo was people like you who didn't question madness such as:
(1) being allowed in a pub, but only if you were eating a scotch egg, (2) or a deadly virus that only became a threat when you were walking around a pub, but was no danger when you sat down. (3) the state coercing people into having injections to protect themselves against a disease, which on average, killed people in their 80s, which more than 99% of people survived. (4) thought it okay to go along with totalitarian measures, such as making it illegal for people to visit their own parents.
All this happened because there were too many cowards who were incapable of thought, never mind rational, independent, critical thought.
Most of us can appreciate how utterly daft some of the rules regarding COVID were, but I am struggling to see the legitimacy of the viewpoint that they were created by" rich pyschopaths communicating in order to coordinate their activities in order to achieve great wealth and power at the expense of us" by making us need to buy a scotch egg to sit in the pub.
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