| Brexit has failed says Farage 07:59 - May 17 with 8768 views | Kilkennyjack |
And yet some posters on here still will not accept the facts.
Felix - i assume you will now agree with your Mr Farage ? 🇬🇧 |  |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 08:59 - May 17 with 4281 views | magicdaps10 |
I am not saying he is right or wrong but if we look at things sensibly.
Farage who some have claimed to have lied are now saying he is telling the truth here.
Think it all comes down to what people want to hear. |  |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 09:10 - May 17 with 4271 views | controversial_jack |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 08:59 - May 17 by magicdaps10 |
I am not saying he is right or wrong but if we look at things sensibly.
Farage who some have claimed to have lied are now saying he is telling the truth here.
Think it all comes down to what people want to hear. |
It's what he said on record |  | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 09:41 - May 17 with 4253 views | magicdaps10 |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 09:10 - May 17 by controversial_jack |
It's what he said on record |
I understand that but he went on record pre brecit saying a lot of things and was chalked a liar and couldn't be trusted.
It now appears that those people are now quoting him and believing what he is saying now.
As I say, I am not saying that he is right or wrong but it just seems to be a massive trail of contradictions going on here. | |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 09:42 - May 17 with 4251 views | builthjack |
Forage. Public schoolboy and first class knob.
Of course Brexit has failed. [Post edited 17 May 2023 13:58]
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 10:29 - May 17 with 4219 views | controversial_jack |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 09:41 - May 17 by magicdaps10 |
I understand that but he went on record pre brecit saying a lot of things and was chalked a liar and couldn't be trusted.
It now appears that those people are now quoting him and believing what he is saying now.
As I say, I am not saying that he is right or wrong but it just seems to be a massive trail of contradictions going on here. |
A lot of things he said pre Brexit were seen as not correct by many and has been proven so.
I don't know if it makes him a liar or if he genuinely believed it. | | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 16:48 - May 17 with 4125 views | EagleEye |
Is it Brexit per se or is it the government's pathetic attempt & lack of knowhow to implement & take advantage of opportunities ? |  | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 17:15 - May 17 with 4115 views | Dr_Winston |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 16:48 - May 17 by EagleEye |
Is it Brexit per se or is it the government's pathetic attempt & lack of knowhow to implement & take advantage of opportunities ? |
We certainly got off to a bad start with initial Brexit negotiations being spearheaded by staunch Remainers Theresa May and Phillip Hammond, along with a pro-EU civil service. |  |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:01 - May 17 with 4094 views | SullutaCreturned |
Listen to the whole thing and put it in context, he's not saying Brexit had to fail, he's saying this Tory government have been absolutely useless and if managed better then Brexit would have been a better thing.
When he says the words "Brexit has failed" he was going to carry on and say more but the presenter cut him off. | | | |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:11 - May 17 with 4087 views | Dr_Winston |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:01 - May 17 by SullutaCreturned |
Listen to the whole thing and put it in context, he's not saying Brexit had to fail, he's saying this Tory government have been absolutely useless and if managed better then Brexit would have been a better thing.
When he says the words "Brexit has failed" he was going to carry on and say more but the presenter cut him off. |
They had their soundbite. | |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:12 - May 17 with 4087 views | Fireboy2 |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:01 - May 17 by SullutaCreturned |
Listen to the whole thing and put it in context, he's not saying Brexit had to fail, he's saying this Tory government have been absolutely useless and if managed better then Brexit would have been a better thing.
When he says the words "Brexit has failed" he was going to carry on and say more but the presenter cut him off. |
So it's a win/win for that pr!ck then, if it worked he was right, because the tories fvcked it up its their fault it hasn't worked. |  | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:18 - May 17 with 4082 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:12 - May 17 by Fireboy2 |
So it's a win/win for that pr!ck then, if it worked he was right, because the tories fvcked it up its their fault it hasn't worked. |
Much like every politician we ever hear, they are never wrong, they never lie, they always have an excuse.
He opened his mouth which to me means he was lying about something though obviously saying the tories are useless is true. | | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:31 - May 17 with 4076 views | Gwyn737 |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 17:15 - May 17 by Dr_Winston |
We certainly got off to a bad start with initial Brexit negotiations being spearheaded by staunch Remainers Theresa May and Phillip Hammond, along with a pro-EU civil service. |
Didn’t Johnson come along and fix everything with his oven ready deal… | | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 21:02 - May 17 with 4032 views | onehunglow |
Let’s not forget the most cynical of all in Cameron who instigated this referendum,not believing for a minute the people would vote leave .
Conservative arrogance that has been catastrophic .
And Labour voting areas fell for this .
Farage and his xenophobic hate fully backed by Labour voters in the strongholds of the party .
Weird or what | |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 23:05 - May 17 with 3988 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:31 - May 17 by Gwyn737 |
Didn’t Johnson come along and fix everything with his oven ready deal… |
Thats correct, he even put that new border down the Irish Sea. What a guy. | |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 23:12 - May 17 with 3986 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 21:02 - May 17 by onehunglow |
Let’s not forget the most cynical of all in Cameron who instigated this referendum,not believing for a minute the people would vote leave .
Conservative arrogance that has been catastrophic .
And Labour voting areas fell for this .
Farage and his xenophobic hate fully backed by Labour voters in the strongholds of the party .
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Spot on OHL.
Weird indeed.
The Remain campaign was lacklustre, sure, but the Leave side were a bunch of chancers and toffs.
Was it the media pumping pro Brexit agendas every night, or are many of our fellow citizens a bit twp.
It could never work, it was bollox from start to finish.
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 01:13 - May 18 with 3960 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:01 - May 17 by SullutaCreturned |
Listen to the whole thing and put it in context, he's not saying Brexit had to fail, he's saying this Tory government have been absolutely useless and if managed better then Brexit would have been a better thing.
When he says the words "Brexit has failed" he was going to carry on and say more but the presenter cut him off. |
Is the correct answer. And he’s right. The sheer incompetence of these people who have been “in charge” for the last decade or so has been unbelievable. |  |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 09:21 - May 18 with 3917 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 23:12 - May 17 by Kilkennyjack |
Spot on OHL.
Weird indeed.
The Remain campaign was lacklustre, sure, but the Leave side were a bunch of chancers and toffs.
Was it the media pumping pro Brexit agendas every night, or are many of our fellow citizens a bit twp.
It could never work, it was bollox from start to finish.
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Toffs and chancers....that's hilarious, the tories were for remain and the majority of the political establishment was for remain. Tories, Labour and LibDem even came together for a remain campaign,
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/how-remain-failed-inside-story-
What didn't help was that people didn't realise Labour were remain, officially that is because Corbyn was so firmly on the fence he had splinters up his nose.
What also didn't help was rich scuzzbuckets like Bob Geldof hurling abuse at working people. While others branded anybody daring to reveal they were for leaving was branded racist, xenophobic and thick because, you know, the best way to change somebody's mind is to hurl insults at them! Like that has ever worked as Kilkenny should know, he'sconstantly calling others twp but how many have ever gone over to his side of the argument? In fact, as we see with independence and despite hyperbolic claims about support, its only a small number in Wales that really support it, a noisy minority who shout loud and long but get nowhere.
Leave told lies, remain told lies, they are political people so wat could we expect. The sad truth is now that people say all thats' going on is down to brexit with covid and the war in Ukraine being ignored as catalysts for our problems. The other problem of course is the greedy chancers at corporations who keep prices artificially high to rip us off.
Brexit could still succeed but we need capable politicians in government so come the next election I firmly believe Labour will win and we will find out how capable they are but my hopes are not high. | | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 09:25 - May 18 with 3917 views | majorraglan |
In my opinion Brexit has ended up being a disaster.
When we voted for Brexit a lot of people including many of our politicians didn’t really know what Brexit would look like, was it a hard Brexit a soft Brexit or somewhere in between. We were told we’d be taking back control, taking back control of our borders a trade deal would be easy to agree etc etc.
In reality, anyone with half a brain knew there’d be an economic hit and there has been. I suspect Theresa May and her negotiating team could see the potential economic hit and the problem with Northern Ireland hence her approach to the negotiations. On the other side of the coin we had the ERG who wanted a very hard exit and we also had Boris trying to serve his ego and realise his personal ambition of becoming PM. Theresa May ended up fudging everything in an an attempt to maintain unity in the Conservative Party and she put the National interest behind the interests of the Conservative Party.
Then we have Boris. He got us out of the EU, but his oven ready deal was anything but and he lied and lied to get it over the line - just look at what’s happened in Northern Ireland.
The execution of Brexit by Boris cabal has been shameful. The EU now have checks on our goods entering Europe - we haven’t been introduced the reciprocal checks on inbound goods as we don’t have the infrastructure at our ports or the staff which means our businesses are being disadvantaged.
We’ve not taken control of our borders, immigration (which was a huge factor for many people in Brexit) is higher now than it’s ever been and set to continue rising.
We’ve had people like JRM in government - a guy that had to ask Sun readers to identify potential benefits of Brexit, the guy that proposed a bonfire of laws when he didn’t know how many laws there were and how it would affect the country. I’m all for cutting unnecessary red tape - but surely it needs to be done by having a sensible approach, do your homework, understand the situation, work out exactly how many laws there are, in what areas and what happens when we repeal them.
As I’ve said, anyone with half a brain knew there’d be an economic hit and many were prepared to take the hit as a trade off for other benefits, but the uncertainty and messing about has driven investment away and made the hit much larger - if we’re not careful it will be even bigger as companies like Vauxhall bail out.
I’m not a great Farage fan, he’s a politician and his personal interests and those of his backers will be among his primary considerations but he is right - Brexit has failed because of its woeful execution by the Conservative government. Farage is to a degree culpable in all this, UKIPs “deal” with the Conservatives at the last GE when they stood aside to give Boris a free run left us with the government we have now who’ve completely botched things up.
As the situation were left in deteriorates, it seems the ‘right’ want to lurch even further to the right and take an even harder approach to Brexit which could make things worse. Hopefully Sunak will take a more pragmatic approach and we’ll start to see a few benefits appearing, but as Farage has pointed out so far Brexit has been a disaster. | | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 10:00 - May 18 with 3912 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 09:25 - May 18 by majorraglan |
In my opinion Brexit has ended up being a disaster.
When we voted for Brexit a lot of people including many of our politicians didn’t really know what Brexit would look like, was it a hard Brexit a soft Brexit or somewhere in between. We were told we’d be taking back control, taking back control of our borders a trade deal would be easy to agree etc etc.
In reality, anyone with half a brain knew there’d be an economic hit and there has been. I suspect Theresa May and her negotiating team could see the potential economic hit and the problem with Northern Ireland hence her approach to the negotiations. On the other side of the coin we had the ERG who wanted a very hard exit and we also had Boris trying to serve his ego and realise his personal ambition of becoming PM. Theresa May ended up fudging everything in an an attempt to maintain unity in the Conservative Party and she put the National interest behind the interests of the Conservative Party.
Then we have Boris. He got us out of the EU, but his oven ready deal was anything but and he lied and lied to get it over the line - just look at what’s happened in Northern Ireland.
The execution of Brexit by Boris cabal has been shameful. The EU now have checks on our goods entering Europe - we haven’t been introduced the reciprocal checks on inbound goods as we don’t have the infrastructure at our ports or the staff which means our businesses are being disadvantaged.
We’ve not taken control of our borders, immigration (which was a huge factor for many people in Brexit) is higher now than it’s ever been and set to continue rising.
We’ve had people like JRM in government - a guy that had to ask Sun readers to identify potential benefits of Brexit, the guy that proposed a bonfire of laws when he didn’t know how many laws there were and how it would affect the country. I’m all for cutting unnecessary red tape - but surely it needs to be done by having a sensible approach, do your homework, understand the situation, work out exactly how many laws there are, in what areas and what happens when we repeal them.
As I’ve said, anyone with half a brain knew there’d be an economic hit and many were prepared to take the hit as a trade off for other benefits, but the uncertainty and messing about has driven investment away and made the hit much larger - if we’re not careful it will be even bigger as companies like Vauxhall bail out.
I’m not a great Farage fan, he’s a politician and his personal interests and those of his backers will be among his primary considerations but he is right - Brexit has failed because of its woeful execution by the Conservative government. Farage is to a degree culpable in all this, UKIPs “deal” with the Conservatives at the last GE when they stood aside to give Boris a free run left us with the government we have now who’ve completely botched things up.
As the situation were left in deteriorates, it seems the ‘right’ want to lurch even further to the right and take an even harder approach to Brexit which could make things worse. Hopefully Sunak will take a more pragmatic approach and we’ll start to see a few benefits appearing, but as Farage has pointed out so far Brexit has been a disaster. |
As usual, major, a reasoned opinion and I agree with it. May started the slide and Bojo turned it into a virtual death spiral. Sunak may be able to make some improvements but we need a new government with a fresh mandate to go back to the EU but even then we need the EU to come to the table with a reasonable attitude and not continue trying to punish us for our democratic choice.
The EU are just as guilty of putting their political desires ahead of the best interests of the people they are supposed to represent.
The EU has it's own probems too, inflation at over 9%, interests rates rising yet they have changed their forecasts and say inflation will be don by 6 points next year to 3.1 but as we all know, these forecasts are pointless and always end up being revised. growth in the EU is, ironically, somewhat driven by profits harvested form the UK by corporations like EDF and Npower who continue to cream billions off UK utilities bills.
Starmer has a big job on, assuming he wins but it is also a big opportunity. Do a very good job and he could keep Labour in power for decades but again, I won't hold my breath.
The economic hit was bound to happen but political hopelessness has cost us dear. Liz Truss should get on a fast plane to somewhere else and never show her face again, Bojo should be facing crimina charges and even Sunak should be under investigation. The Tories are a busted flush, a failed government who, despite the spin are the worst government in my adult lifetime, yes even worse than Blair. And I voted for Bair the first time! | | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 10:33 - May 18 with 3904 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 09:21 - May 18 by SullutaCreturned |
Toffs and chancers....that's hilarious, the tories were for remain and the majority of the political establishment was for remain. Tories, Labour and LibDem even came together for a remain campaign,
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jul/05/how-remain-failed-inside-story-
What didn't help was that people didn't realise Labour were remain, officially that is because Corbyn was so firmly on the fence he had splinters up his nose.
What also didn't help was rich scuzzbuckets like Bob Geldof hurling abuse at working people. While others branded anybody daring to reveal they were for leaving was branded racist, xenophobic and thick because, you know, the best way to change somebody's mind is to hurl insults at them! Like that has ever worked as Kilkenny should know, he'sconstantly calling others twp but how many have ever gone over to his side of the argument? In fact, as we see with independence and despite hyperbolic claims about support, its only a small number in Wales that really support it, a noisy minority who shout loud and long but get nowhere.
Leave told lies, remain told lies, they are political people so wat could we expect. The sad truth is now that people say all thats' going on is down to brexit with covid and the war in Ukraine being ignored as catalysts for our problems. The other problem of course is the greedy chancers at corporations who keep prices artificially high to rip us off.
Brexit could still succeed but we need capable politicians in government so come the next election I firmly believe Labour will win and we will find out how capable they are but my hopes are not high. |
Not sure how else to describe Johnson, Mogg, Gove, and Farage…? | |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 16:26 - May 18 with 3832 views | Gwyn737 |
A few comments on here about how Brexit was doomed to fail because of cross party remainers and a pro EU civil service, but no recognition of why they felt that way.
One explanation is that is was a bad idea and they were right to feel that way.
Meanwhile you had Farage and co telling people what it would be like but they had no power and no accountability.
We can try and renegotiate until the cows come home but it has to be recocognised that the EU don't want Brexit to be success. If you were in their shoes why would you help?
A failing Brexit is the dream for the Pro EU politicians. Every time a different country wants to leave they can point to the UK and say 'is that what you want?!...) | | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 17:10 - May 18 with 3822 views | Dr_Winston |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 18:31 - May 17 by Gwyn737 |
Didn’t Johnson come along and fix everything with his oven ready deal… |
You're making Farage's point for him there. | |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 17:23 - May 18 with 3821 views | Gwyn737 |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 17:10 - May 18 by Dr_Winston |
You're making Farage's point for him there. |
Not intentionally.
Farage’s point was it was a rubbish deal when there was a great one to be had.
My point is that there’s no great (or at least better) deal. | | | |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 19:12 - May 18 with 3792 views | Kilkennyjack |
Its almost like Johnson did not give a toss about working people. Who knew ? | |
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| Brexit has failed says Farage on 21:18 - May 18 with 3759 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Brexit has failed says Farage on 10:33 - May 18 by Kilkennyjack |
Not sure how else to describe Johnson, Mogg, Gove, and Farage…? |
And as I pointed out, the toffs and chancers were on both sides. | | | |
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