| Boil face sniffing around! 08:12 - Apr 27 with 20977 views | connell10 |
Wants Willock on the cheap..... if i was in charge i would have nothng to do with this kunt! |  |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:13 - Apr 27 with 1623 views | Northernr |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:00 - Apr 27 by westy |
Understand some of your reservations but how would a Wycombe Wanderers 2 be such a bad thing. A hard working team full of players who want to play for the manager who constantly over achieve, get promoted, then unluckily relegated then reach the play off final.
Sell on a player produced from non league for a decent sum and sell on clause.
Doesn’t sound too bad to me.
All this WW bashing is amusing as they had massive financial constraints with a tiny budget in comparison to the big boys, yet still over achieved in a very tough L1.
I’m sure given time GA will / would prove a success but unfortunately I think there is an awful lot of background noise from keyboard managers that eventually when a sticky time arrives they will be baying for his head. Some already are ffs. I even read on another forum that some fool was wanting Joey Barton as the next manager.
That just sums up the keyboard manager. |
Yeh definite upsides which you've outlined there, and we need a bit of that - bit more character, bit more spine, bit less easy to play against - and I've said previously all that passing round at the back does my head in too. But it's really been quite bracing so far hasn't it? |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:15 - Apr 27 with 1601 views | Sakura |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:28 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
If these owners stay true to form then Ainsworth will get the keys to the kingdom this summer, he'll put together a really honest, hard working, gritty team that's big on effort and low on technicality. When results go bad, either straight away, or more likely when you start to get the injuries and the suspensions and the hectic fixtures through November (which has basically happened every year since we were relegated last), and the football becomes too attritional the fans will turn - plenty already have. They'll then sack to keep that quiet and having done progressive forward thinking types, then pulled the nostalgia lever, it's probably time for trendy European coach again and so you'll get Ajax Bot 6.8 trying to explain the three-box-three formation to Josh Scowen and... guess what? "You can't judge him until he's got his own players in January... Well January is always a bad month to shop he needs the summer..." and so the cycle starts again.
I'm really not sure I see the logic behind this season exploding because they let Beale bring his own boys in here last summer and then he left, and we fix that by letting Ainsworth bring all his boys in here this summer...
It's nuts this club. I feel like I've sat here and typed that every month for 20 years. |
What is the point you are trying to make considering Ainsworth is now our manager. What do you actually think we should do from this point (assuming we stay up)?
Put simply we have three choices (but if you see another can you suggest what we
should do now- saying we shouldn’t have appointed Ainsworth isn’t an answer as we have done that. So considering that fact what do you actually think we should do now):
- Are you saying we should sack Ainsworth in the summer and pay him and Dobson off their contract taking further funds out the budget but then appoint a manager who plays a style more similar to Beale and Warburton and continue to sign players more suited to that style?
- Are you saying we sign continue under the DOF model and continue to sign players that fit the previous Warburton and Beale style and just let Ainsworth deal with that?
- Or are you saying we switch our focus to sign players who fit the Ainsworth model better? |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:15 - Apr 27 with 1609 views | VancouverHoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:41 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
Well, we'll find out in time I guess. Obviously I'm going to be on the ceiling delighted if he does that. For me I haven't seen any indication so far that he's going to build anything other than Wycombe 2.0 here. But we'll see, if he gets that chance, which I'm not convinced he will BTW. |
Whether the future's cloudy or rosy under Ainsworth remains to be seen. If his style of play is factored out you could argue he's exactly who we need based on his track record. He took a team that was on the verge of playing it's way out of the EFL up two divisions. And if wasn't for the EFL's clusterf*ck, re: Derby's penalties, he might be managing Wycombe in the Championship today. He's used to working under financial constraints that several of our previous managers wouldn't, or couldn't, deal with. Right now that is more important to this club than the style of football the team plays. Possession football might look pretty, but relegations don't. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:19 - Apr 27 with 1590 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:13 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
Yeh definite upsides which you've outlined there, and we need a bit of that - bit more character, bit more spine, bit less easy to play against - and I've said previously all that passing round at the back does my head in too. But it's really been quite bracing so far hasn't it? |
I liked how we played for most of the West Brom game, some of the Norwich game and the second half of the Bunley game.
Granted, it would be nice to see more of Chair, and the stats about Iroegbunam against Burnley are mind-boggling, but over time, I think you'd see someone running with both purpose and flair from the midfield. We've already seen that Taylor Richards clearly has the skills to do that - he just needs to learn how to tie up his bootlaces, and when he should perhaps be giving the bad Cristiano Ronaldo tribute act a miss. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:23 - Apr 27 with 1551 views | Northernr |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:15 - Apr 27 by Sakura |
What is the point you are trying to make considering Ainsworth is now our manager. What do you actually think we should do from this point (assuming we stay up)?
Put simply we have three choices (but if you see another can you suggest what we
should do now- saying we shouldn’t have appointed Ainsworth isn’t an answer as we have done that. So considering that fact what do you actually think we should do now):
- Are you saying we should sack Ainsworth in the summer and pay him and Dobson off their contract taking further funds out the budget but then appoint a manager who plays a style more similar to Beale and Warburton and continue to sign players more suited to that style?
- Are you saying we sign continue under the DOF model and continue to sign players that fit the previous Warburton and Beale style and just let Ainsworth deal with that?
- Or are you saying we switch our focus to sign players who fit the Ainsworth model better? |
I don't know. Freely admit it. Would not want to be the one making any of the many, many decisions we're facing this summer.
I never think it's a good idea for QPR, under this ownership, to just give a manager the keys to do whatever he wants, so I wouldn't do that. And I do think you need a DOF to sit between these owners and the football side, because they've proven they don't know what they're doing - I think that probably can't be Les any more after the last couple of years.
But, no, I'm not sitting here pretending I know what we should do other than that.
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:39 - Apr 27 with 1462 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:23 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
I don't know. Freely admit it. Would not want to be the one making any of the many, many decisions we're facing this summer.
I never think it's a good idea for QPR, under this ownership, to just give a manager the keys to do whatever he wants, so I wouldn't do that. And I do think you need a DOF to sit between these owners and the football side, because they've proven they don't know what they're doing - I think that probably can't be Les any more after the last couple of years.
But, no, I'm not sitting here pretending I know what we should do other than that.
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Surely the sane and rational thing to do would be to go for Option 3 (but then I guess its pretty clear that I would say that).
In any event, I don't think 3 and 2 are actually that different from each other in reality, and I think GA is savvy enough to have factored that into his thinking as I've said previously.
I'm not by any means suggesting we'll start Dieng-Dickie-Dunne-Dickie-Dieng off again as a "thing", but long ball to the front players, knock down, get your attacking midfielders up the pitch in support of the front players is effective for a reason.
MOTD made me laugh the other day, as one of the teams (I forget who now) were playing 4-4-2 and going for the direct approach. And when Allison does it to Salah, and then Salah does his thing and scores, everyone goes overboard about it!
Dieng to Armstrong and Armstrong banging it in (provided he doesn't do that thing that Rodney Marsh always used to do of tripping himself up in the penalty area) might even be a phenomenon that we get treated to next season more regularly. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:39 - Apr 27 with 1458 views | westy |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:13 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
Yeh definite upsides which you've outlined there, and we need a bit of that - bit more character, bit more spine, bit less easy to play against - and I've said previously all that passing round at the back does my head in too. But it's really been quite bracing so far hasn't it? |
Yes it sure has.
But that’s probably to do with the squad he’s got at his disposal not their talent but mentality. It should never have got to this mess but we are where we are. Whether that’s lack of players discipline or lack of understanding from the manager, probably a bit of both. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:41 - Apr 27 with 1439 views | Sakura |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:23 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
I don't know. Freely admit it. Would not want to be the one making any of the many, many decisions we're facing this summer.
I never think it's a good idea for QPR, under this ownership, to just give a manager the keys to do whatever he wants, so I wouldn't do that. And I do think you need a DOF to sit between these owners and the football side, because they've proven they don't know what they're doing - I think that probably can't be Les any more after the last couple of years.
But, no, I'm not sitting here pretending I know what we should do other than that.
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Fair enough. I would just say that this club has enough negativity around it at the moment. So the negative posts for the sake of being negative about unknowns isn't helpful
We've had signs of turning a corner so let's enjoy that. Everything in life has trade offs and their is rarely a perfect solution. Yes we might not play the prettiest football going forward but there is a good chance we lose the fragile characters that cause us to so regularly go on these losing streak runs that blow any chance of progressing in the league
I also think of this in investing terms as a smart change of direction by the club to Ainsworths style.
Following the herd and being right gets you low returns. The success will be minor
Being contrarian and wrong is never good. And you lose.
But being contrarian and right is where you make outsized returns . And I think gives us the greatest chance of success
Ainsworths style of play is contrarian. Warburton/ Beale's is following the herd. The majority of the Prem/ the championship, league one even, Holland, Germany Belgium etc all play mainly a style more similar to Warburton and Beale. They all have the same data to plug into their algorithms. They are all looking for the same attributes
But if we change the emphasis to a different set of attributes and play in a way that they aren't used to then it is my view it will give us a £ for £ better chance of succeeding
I understand many fans wouldn't have gone back the Ainsworth route when we did. But we have and I honestly believe the best thing for the fan base to do now is to embrace that
Especially if you can't come up with a better solution [Post edited 27 Apr 2023 18:01]
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:50 - Apr 27 with 1393 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:37 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
But you're also falling into the trap of believing that GA will 100% pay to his stereotype, Clive. How about the alternative I gave earlier - that GA gets the keys to the kingdom and recruits wisely giving us the blend of grit and flair that we've all been crying out for, for less than the price of a pint in the West End?
The team he played in with us had Martin Rowlands in it. If Ebere Eze can say that GA was foundational in his development, and if he also is full of praise for Taylor Richards, why can't we be optimistic that someone has actually thwacked the Board over the head and suggested they might need to be patient for a little while longer yet, if we ever do get back to being able to be promoted in glossy Air Asia-branded brochures about us being "a founder club of the Premier League" or whatever the actual wording of the puff piece was back in the day?
Granted, we know they always get antsy around Christmas, but let's say we actually get of to a decent start and are mid-table around then? |
Ainsworth has a style of football, and a type of player, that is going to be God awful to watch. Lots of huffing and puffing, big challenges, hearts on their sleeves etc etc etc..... ask any L1 fan what they think of Wycombe.
Willock and Chair will be sold in the summer, and he will not replace like for like, not a chance.
I think we will all be here in a years time longing for the days of Eze, Bright, Willock and Chair as we stare L1 in the face. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:50 - Apr 27 with 1392 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:41 - Apr 27 by Sakura |
Fair enough. I would just say that this club has enough negativity around it at the moment. So the negative posts for the sake of being negative about unknowns isn't helpful
We've had signs of turning a corner so let's enjoy that. Everything in life has trade offs and their is rarely a perfect solution. Yes we might not play the prettiest football going forward but there is a good chance we lose the fragile characters that cause us to so regularly go on these losing streak runs that blow any chance of progressing in the league
I also think of this in investing terms as a smart change of direction by the club to Ainsworths style.
Following the herd and being right gets you low returns. The success will be minor
Being contrarian and wrong is never good. And you lose.
But being contrarian and right is where you make outsized returns . And I think gives us the greatest chance of success
Ainsworths style of play is contrarian. Warburton/ Beale's is following the herd. The majority of the Prem/ the championship, league one even, Holland, Germany Belgium etc all play mainly a style more similar to Warburton and Beale. They all have the same data to plug into their algorithms. They are all looking for the same attributes
But if we change the emphasis to a different set of attributes and play in a way that they aren't used to then it is my view it will give us a £ for £ better chance of succeeding
I understand many fans wouldn't have gone back the Ainsworth route when we did. But we have and I honestly believe the best thing for the fan base to do now is to embrace that
Especially if you can't come up with a better solution [Post edited 27 Apr 2023 18:01]
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Echo most of that Saks - except that I'm not sure Ainsworth's style IS that contrarian, especially in the Championship.
The board need to get fully behind Ainsworth now, and, as I said earlier, I think Ainsworth is savvy enough - and genuinely wouldn't want to anyway - not to default to a similar style to Watford under Graham Taylor, despite what David McIntyre on West London Sport and a lot of others who we both know and love think. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:00 - Apr 27 with 1364 views | DejR_vu |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 10:01 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
Yeh, and also only a year left on Willock's deal, it's very clear he's not signing a new one, we're desperate and Beale knows full well the financial situation here. It'll be Ryan Manning all over again i.e. a few hundred K. |
W@nkers, the both of them.
If the club has any self- respect, they should refuse to any business with the Bealeshitter unless he pays through the nose, regardless of how much it costs in the long term. Take a stand now to stop people taking the p1ss longer term.
Beale; what a horrible c@ant | |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:00 - Apr 27 with 1363 views | westy |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:50 - Apr 27 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Ainsworth has a style of football, and a type of player, that is going to be God awful to watch. Lots of huffing and puffing, big challenges, hearts on their sleeves etc etc etc..... ask any L1 fan what they think of Wycombe.
Willock and Chair will be sold in the summer, and he will not replace like for like, not a chance.
I think we will all be here in a years time longing for the days of Eze, Bright, Willock and Chair as we stare L1 in the face. |
I’d rather ask respected L1 managers tbh not the deluded fans upset that Wycombe Wanderers were constantly over achieving and finishing way above their precious millionaire teams. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:01 - Apr 27 with 1360 views | robith |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 16:36 - Apr 27 by LazyFan |
Yes I know, but at least during those years, we got to play them which helped us stay in the Champ. To survive and try again in another year. Hopefully, finding two Eze's in one season. Yes, that's fantasy, but you can only try if you are in the Champ. Hence the wages of these two provided that opportunity.
So, the lost wages are like loan players for survival, but that only works if we get the monies back we paid for them. Otherwise, we are at a loss, and we cannot afford to lose any more money! |
Have you heard of "amortisation"? |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:06 - Apr 27 with 1340 views | DejR_vu |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 11:07 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
Well he won't be going to Rangers then.
We've got very little chance of getting that money with his contract and injury record IMO. |
For a few hundred £, stick him in the B team and forget about him.
Sick of the club getting fvcked over. Fvck Beake. | |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:07 - Apr 27 with 1330 views | Sakura |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:50 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
Echo most of that Saks - except that I'm not sure Ainsworth's style IS that contrarian, especially in the Championship.
The board need to get fully behind Ainsworth now, and, as I said earlier, I think Ainsworth is savvy enough - and genuinely wouldn't want to anyway - not to default to a similar style to Watford under Graham Taylor, despite what David McIntyre on West London Sport and a lot of others who we both know and love think. |
Yeah I just think that Ainsworth is at the more extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to his tactics. Russell Martins Swansea being the opposite end of that
On a separate note those posting saying no space for Chair in this team are quite simply wrong.
Have a look at his assists for the Dykes goals against WBA and Norwich. Have a look at Ilias’ shot that won us the crucial corner on Saturday
We won’t play two tens like under Beale.
But we will play with a player of Ilias type. No doubt about that. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:08 - Apr 27 with 1330 views | DejR_vu |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 11:56 - Apr 27 by Northernr |
Like we did with Balogun, JCS...  |
They don’t have Les in charge of transfers | |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:14 - Apr 27 with 1302 views | E15Hoop |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:07 - Apr 27 by Sakura |
Yeah I just think that Ainsworth is at the more extreme end of the spectrum when it comes to his tactics. Russell Martins Swansea being the opposite end of that
On a separate note those posting saying no space for Chair in this team are quite simply wrong.
Have a look at his assists for the Dykes goals against WBA and Norwich. Have a look at Ilias’ shot that won us the crucial corner on Saturday
We won’t play two tens like under Beale.
But we will play with a player of Ilias type. No doubt about that. |
And imagine a future where you have Richards AND Chair in the same team, with Richards as an 8 and Chair as a 10..Could happen soon, asssuming Chair doesn't get sold off to pay for sorting out the water pressure in the LR toliets.
I actually think we'll miss Jamal Lowe more than people seem to think, as he's a great hold-up player and was also excellent in the second half against Burnley. Not sure how easy it is to find those kinds of players knocking around the bargain basement for £1.50. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:25 - Apr 27 with 1253 views | DejR_vu |
The club should be setting its stall out. Come here, perform, progress, you’ll get your move to the Prem ie Eze. Come here and act like a w@nker ie Willock, you rot in the B team. If it puts players off from signing, so be it, they’re not the type of players we want. | |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:31 - Apr 27 with 1233 views | benhurst |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:14 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
And imagine a future where you have Richards AND Chair in the same team, with Richards as an 8 and Chair as a 10..Could happen soon, asssuming Chair doesn't get sold off to pay for sorting out the water pressure in the LR toliets.
I actually think we'll miss Jamal Lowe more than people seem to think, as he's a great hold-up player and was also excellent in the second half against Burnley. Not sure how easy it is to find those kinds of players knocking around the bargain basement for £1.50. |
I believe Lowe's contract at Bournemouth runs out at the end of the season, no idea if we'd be able to pay his wages but I can see him being let go if they stay up | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:49 - Apr 27 with 1179 views | Northernr |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 18:14 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
And imagine a future where you have Richards AND Chair in the same team, with Richards as an 8 and Chair as a 10..Could happen soon, asssuming Chair doesn't get sold off to pay for sorting out the water pressure in the LR toliets.
I actually think we'll miss Jamal Lowe more than people seem to think, as he's a great hold-up player and was also excellent in the second half against Burnley. Not sure how easy it is to find those kinds of players knocking around the bargain basement for £1.50. |
I know your big pitch here atm is unfailing, unflapable optimism, but we're getting excited about spending half a million quid on Richards now? | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 19:05 - Apr 27 with 1115 views | kernowhoop |
If we are going to play like Wycombe Wanderers, what is the point of the new training ground? We could just take the lads somewhere where they could do cross-country running. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 19:06 - Apr 27 with 1110 views | Boston |
Que sera,sera
Whatever will be, will be,
We're going to be Wycombe B,
Que sera, sera. | |
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| Boil face sniffing around! on 19:16 - Apr 27 with 1086 views | distortR |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 19:06 - Apr 27 by Boston |
Que sera,sera
Whatever will be, will be,
We're going to be Wycombe B,
Que sera, sera. |
Wycombe,
We saw,
We did not concur. | | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 19:18 - Apr 27 with 1072 views | daveB |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 17:50 - Apr 27 by E15Hoop |
Echo most of that Saks - except that I'm not sure Ainsworth's style IS that contrarian, especially in the Championship.
The board need to get fully behind Ainsworth now, and, as I said earlier, I think Ainsworth is savvy enough - and genuinely wouldn't want to anyway - not to default to a similar style to Watford under Graham Taylor, despite what David McIntyre on West London Sport and a lot of others who we both know and love think. |
I'm not sure it's about what people think, we've seen it with our own eyes so far, the current team is playing very direct and very aimless football. I don't see that changing next season under him but he'll be bringing in players who are better at at playing that way
I'm hoping he's seen that that style doesn't work but listening to him he seems to want more of it. Hope I'm wrong but been very unimpressed so far and whoever the manager is this summer no way should they be given everyone they want the same as Beale and Warbs which simply hasn't worked |  | | |
| Boil face sniffing around! on 19:26 - Apr 27 with 1030 views | baz_qpr |
If the club needs to sell players to survive workman like that gets us mid table is not going to wash, neither is buying midfielders if they get bypassed. I like Gareth but I dont like his football.
The way I see it if we stay up is we have 2 options
Play Wycombe style with Wycombe budgets and hover around mid table / relegation dogfights maybe taking a punt that Armstrong can stay fit, score goals as he does in the 21's and generate either a big fee or a playoff push
Maintain the modern "style" we have been developing continue to take `premiership off cuts, loans and the odd few from the lower leagues. Pay Gareth and his team up thank them for staving of relegation (if we do)and appoint another technical coach probably foreign and revamp the academy and DOF team
Both routes can go wrong and lead to relegation but the second one is the only long term viable option and cheaper and more ruthless to do it now than to buy a whole new team for a direct aggressive style and switch again |  | | |
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