| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page 23:18 - Oct 27 with 8874 views | B_Wad |
Anyone going to fess up to this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Stroud
" Keith enjoys being on stage each Christmas during panto season. He is highly is demand as a dwarf in many local productions of Snow White and the seven dwarfs. Once his career screwing west london clubs comes to an end he hopes to take part in more stage work and models himself on Joe pesci when taking to the stage. His dream is to appear in a stage production of liar liar."
The Liliput detail is pretty good too.
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| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 21:07 - Oct 28 with 1858 views | TomS |
When footballers cheat, we all acknowledge the "professionalism" of the action. Playing the game, shithousery, etc. How many penalties did Adel Tarrabt and Heider Helgusson "earn" between them in the 2010/2011 promotion season? Did we feel guilty about them? Like F*"k we did.
Then there are the cases of "professionalism" used against us. Bradley Johnson, Ashley Young etc. Were we livid about them? Absolutely, we were wronged, but we know the refs were conned. We blame the players, not the refs.
I think the problem we are all having with this is that the goal on Tuesday was totally legit, and was denied by the officials who made a mistake. When officials clearly get it wrong, it's either cheating or incompetence. The only proven cheat (per Wikipedia) I recall reffing one of our most important matches, officiated in the '82 Cup Final. Many of us will recall, in the replay, we had a good goal disallowed and a clear penalty waived away. That ref trained with Spurs, so how he got the Cup Final gig is beyond me as it was a clear conflict of interest.
Anyway, I'm on a tangent, get back on track. Clive has enough evidence banked to lead me to believe that Keith Stroud isn't a cheat..... he's in the other category.
However. Every ref has to rely on his linesmen. If the linesman signals for offside, 99% of the time the ref will make a decision to that effect as the linesmen are best positioned to make that call. Unfortunately this one was horribly wrong and meant we didn't progress to the quarter final.
Now the dust has settled, and the raw emotion can be taken out of the debate. Let's look at what happened.
Look at the replay again. It all happened very, very quickly. When Uncle Albert's header left his head, Charlie was clearly onside, but running towards the goal. The ball hit the arm of the defender, which was well away from his torso, it should have been a penalty. The ball was deflected away from the defender across the goal and Charlie, who was beyond the stranded keeper at this point, knocked it in.
My own feeling is that the linesman wasn't keeping an eye on Charlie's position as Albert headed it, but he was ball-watching and only saw Charlie's position when he scored. His knee jerk reaction to call offside was wrong, but was simply human error. He didn't see the ball hit the defenders arm. Even if he did he may not have appreciated how far away from his torso it actually was. He didn't have VAR as back-up to correct him. I feel sorry for him. It would be a huge christian gesture to forgive him, but I'm not prepared to do that just yet....
That's just my opinion. I don't know what the linesman's train of thought was. Nor do I know whether any of the officials saw the ball hit the outstretched arm of the defender, nor who they thought was offside. All we know is they got it wrong, and we are no longer in the Cup.
Sport isn't fair. It's a life lesson and as fans of this club, we can cope with disappointment better than many fans of the bigger clubs. But being robbed by the incompetence of officials rather than the cheating by opposition players just leaves a sourer taste than normal disappointment. |  | | |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 21:44 - Oct 28 with 1788 views | wgchoop |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 21:07 - Oct 28 by TomS |
When footballers cheat, we all acknowledge the "professionalism" of the action. Playing the game, shithousery, etc. How many penalties did Adel Tarrabt and Heider Helgusson "earn" between them in the 2010/2011 promotion season? Did we feel guilty about them? Like F*"k we did.
Then there are the cases of "professionalism" used against us. Bradley Johnson, Ashley Young etc. Were we livid about them? Absolutely, we were wronged, but we know the refs were conned. We blame the players, not the refs.
I think the problem we are all having with this is that the goal on Tuesday was totally legit, and was denied by the officials who made a mistake. When officials clearly get it wrong, it's either cheating or incompetence. The only proven cheat (per Wikipedia) I recall reffing one of our most important matches, officiated in the '82 Cup Final. Many of us will recall, in the replay, we had a good goal disallowed and a clear penalty waived away. That ref trained with Spurs, so how he got the Cup Final gig is beyond me as it was a clear conflict of interest.
Anyway, I'm on a tangent, get back on track. Clive has enough evidence banked to lead me to believe that Keith Stroud isn't a cheat..... he's in the other category.
However. Every ref has to rely on his linesmen. If the linesman signals for offside, 99% of the time the ref will make a decision to that effect as the linesmen are best positioned to make that call. Unfortunately this one was horribly wrong and meant we didn't progress to the quarter final.
Now the dust has settled, and the raw emotion can be taken out of the debate. Let's look at what happened.
Look at the replay again. It all happened very, very quickly. When Uncle Albert's header left his head, Charlie was clearly onside, but running towards the goal. The ball hit the arm of the defender, which was well away from his torso, it should have been a penalty. The ball was deflected away from the defender across the goal and Charlie, who was beyond the stranded keeper at this point, knocked it in.
My own feeling is that the linesman wasn't keeping an eye on Charlie's position as Albert headed it, but he was ball-watching and only saw Charlie's position when he scored. His knee jerk reaction to call offside was wrong, but was simply human error. He didn't see the ball hit the defenders arm. Even if he did he may not have appreciated how far away from his torso it actually was. He didn't have VAR as back-up to correct him. I feel sorry for him. It would be a huge christian gesture to forgive him, but I'm not prepared to do that just yet....
That's just my opinion. I don't know what the linesman's train of thought was. Nor do I know whether any of the officials saw the ball hit the outstretched arm of the defender, nor who they thought was offside. All we know is they got it wrong, and we are no longer in the Cup.
Sport isn't fair. It's a life lesson and as fans of this club, we can cope with disappointment better than many fans of the bigger clubs. But being robbed by the incompetence of officials rather than the cheating by opposition players just leaves a sourer taste than normal disappointment. |
well i remember a poster who liked to stick up for the officials as a good thing would love him to explain that decision as a qualified referee myself admittedly from a long time ago would like to see what he has to say. |  | | |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 22:25 - Oct 28 with 1733 views | QPR_John |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 21:07 - Oct 28 by TomS |
When footballers cheat, we all acknowledge the "professionalism" of the action. Playing the game, shithousery, etc. How many penalties did Adel Tarrabt and Heider Helgusson "earn" between them in the 2010/2011 promotion season? Did we feel guilty about them? Like F*"k we did.
Then there are the cases of "professionalism" used against us. Bradley Johnson, Ashley Young etc. Were we livid about them? Absolutely, we were wronged, but we know the refs were conned. We blame the players, not the refs.
I think the problem we are all having with this is that the goal on Tuesday was totally legit, and was denied by the officials who made a mistake. When officials clearly get it wrong, it's either cheating or incompetence. The only proven cheat (per Wikipedia) I recall reffing one of our most important matches, officiated in the '82 Cup Final. Many of us will recall, in the replay, we had a good goal disallowed and a clear penalty waived away. That ref trained with Spurs, so how he got the Cup Final gig is beyond me as it was a clear conflict of interest.
Anyway, I'm on a tangent, get back on track. Clive has enough evidence banked to lead me to believe that Keith Stroud isn't a cheat..... he's in the other category.
However. Every ref has to rely on his linesmen. If the linesman signals for offside, 99% of the time the ref will make a decision to that effect as the linesmen are best positioned to make that call. Unfortunately this one was horribly wrong and meant we didn't progress to the quarter final.
Now the dust has settled, and the raw emotion can be taken out of the debate. Let's look at what happened.
Look at the replay again. It all happened very, very quickly. When Uncle Albert's header left his head, Charlie was clearly onside, but running towards the goal. The ball hit the arm of the defender, which was well away from his torso, it should have been a penalty. The ball was deflected away from the defender across the goal and Charlie, who was beyond the stranded keeper at this point, knocked it in.
My own feeling is that the linesman wasn't keeping an eye on Charlie's position as Albert headed it, but he was ball-watching and only saw Charlie's position when he scored. His knee jerk reaction to call offside was wrong, but was simply human error. He didn't see the ball hit the defenders arm. Even if he did he may not have appreciated how far away from his torso it actually was. He didn't have VAR as back-up to correct him. I feel sorry for him. It would be a huge christian gesture to forgive him, but I'm not prepared to do that just yet....
That's just my opinion. I don't know what the linesman's train of thought was. Nor do I know whether any of the officials saw the ball hit the outstretched arm of the defender, nor who they thought was offside. All we know is they got it wrong, and we are no longer in the Cup.
Sport isn't fair. It's a life lesson and as fans of this club, we can cope with disappointment better than many fans of the bigger clubs. But being robbed by the incompetence of officials rather than the cheating by opposition players just leaves a sourer taste than normal disappointment. |
“My own feeling is that the linesman wasn't keeping an eye on Charlie's position as Albert headed it, but he was ball-watching and only saw Charlie's position when he scored. His knee jerk reaction to call offside was wrong, but was simply human error. “
Not a human error but failure to do the job properly. Offside requires the linemen to know where a player was when the pass was made. If he did not know where Austin came from the lineman had no evidence Austin was offside. [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 22:28]
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| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 22:29 - Oct 28 with 1716 views | Lanhoop |
Missing the handball is down to Stroud, not just the lino. We have two instances of incompetence not one. | | | |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 22:50 - Oct 28 with 1669 views | Myke |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 22:29 - Oct 28 by Lanhoop |
Missing the handball is down to Stroud, not just the lino. We have two instances of incompetence not one. |
Considering the quality of our penalties in the shoot-out, I think we'll just focus on the offside... | | | |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 22:55 - Oct 28 with 1664 views | TomS |
Best case scenario for the officials: The lino thought Albert was offside (no, I don't know why either), so the handball (which they all saw) doesn't come into the equation.
The truth: the goal should have counted.
The reality: They called an offside, which wasn't. They didn't see the handball. They didn't challenge each other to determine the truth as to what actually happened.
Call it what you like, the bottom line is that Sunderland have a quarter final to look forward to. | | | |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 07:35 - Oct 29 with 1536 views | SydneyRs |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 21:07 - Oct 28 by TomS |
When footballers cheat, we all acknowledge the "professionalism" of the action. Playing the game, shithousery, etc. How many penalties did Adel Tarrabt and Heider Helgusson "earn" between them in the 2010/2011 promotion season? Did we feel guilty about them? Like F*"k we did.
Then there are the cases of "professionalism" used against us. Bradley Johnson, Ashley Young etc. Were we livid about them? Absolutely, we were wronged, but we know the refs were conned. We blame the players, not the refs.
I think the problem we are all having with this is that the goal on Tuesday was totally legit, and was denied by the officials who made a mistake. When officials clearly get it wrong, it's either cheating or incompetence. The only proven cheat (per Wikipedia) I recall reffing one of our most important matches, officiated in the '82 Cup Final. Many of us will recall, in the replay, we had a good goal disallowed and a clear penalty waived away. That ref trained with Spurs, so how he got the Cup Final gig is beyond me as it was a clear conflict of interest.
Anyway, I'm on a tangent, get back on track. Clive has enough evidence banked to lead me to believe that Keith Stroud isn't a cheat..... he's in the other category.
However. Every ref has to rely on his linesmen. If the linesman signals for offside, 99% of the time the ref will make a decision to that effect as the linesmen are best positioned to make that call. Unfortunately this one was horribly wrong and meant we didn't progress to the quarter final.
Now the dust has settled, and the raw emotion can be taken out of the debate. Let's look at what happened.
Look at the replay again. It all happened very, very quickly. When Uncle Albert's header left his head, Charlie was clearly onside, but running towards the goal. The ball hit the arm of the defender, which was well away from his torso, it should have been a penalty. The ball was deflected away from the defender across the goal and Charlie, who was beyond the stranded keeper at this point, knocked it in.
My own feeling is that the linesman wasn't keeping an eye on Charlie's position as Albert headed it, but he was ball-watching and only saw Charlie's position when he scored. His knee jerk reaction to call offside was wrong, but was simply human error. He didn't see the ball hit the defenders arm. Even if he did he may not have appreciated how far away from his torso it actually was. He didn't have VAR as back-up to correct him. I feel sorry for him. It would be a huge christian gesture to forgive him, but I'm not prepared to do that just yet....
That's just my opinion. I don't know what the linesman's train of thought was. Nor do I know whether any of the officials saw the ball hit the outstretched arm of the defender, nor who they thought was offside. All we know is they got it wrong, and we are no longer in the Cup.
Sport isn't fair. It's a life lesson and as fans of this club, we can cope with disappointment better than many fans of the bigger clubs. But being robbed by the incompetence of officials rather than the cheating by opposition players just leaves a sourer taste than normal disappointment. |
Adomah didn't head it, he volleyed it.
Hang on, you aren't the linesman are you?
Oh and there's the handball/penalty call (Stroud's job) that would make Austin's position irrelevant anyway.
I get it, bad decisions happen all the time. But this one really stands out for me due to the sheer number of errors, I'm genuinely struggling to recall a worse decision I've seen. [Post edited 29 Oct 2021 7:36]
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| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 08:12 - Oct 29 with 1497 views | Juzzie |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 07:35 - Oct 29 by SydneyRs |
Adomah didn't head it, he volleyed it.
Hang on, you aren't the linesman are you?
Oh and there's the handball/penalty call (Stroud's job) that would make Austin's position irrelevant anyway.
I get it, bad decisions happen all the time. But this one really stands out for me due to the sheer number of errors, I'm genuinely struggling to recall a worse decision I've seen. [Post edited 29 Oct 2021 7:36]
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In my more maturing age i am a bit more lenient with the officials in general. It is a tough job but yes, this one is not just one but three glaring errors. The lino simply didn’t do what he is meant to do and although the ref will probably go by the lino’s decision, the ref didn’t spot the handball as he would have been in a better position to see it. That’s incompetence on both their parts.
In my highly pressured job people do make mistakes. You get told off, you’re in the dog house, you learn from it. Many years ago a high profile Greatest Hits album had to have around 750,000 CD discs scrapped because the wrong version of a very important song was used. The studio had sent reference CD’s to the appropriate people to listen to and it turned out they didn’t listen to them. They got sacked because it wasn’t a mistake, it was abject failure (and cost a massive amount of money to rectify) to do what they were meant to do. It’s the only singular instance that I have been aware of (though I’m sure there have been others) where people have been sacked for such a catastrophic failure because on the whole people do get an opportunity to redeem and learn, as long as they don’t do it time and time again.
I’m not saying the lino should be sacked but to find out he’s already officiating this weekend and next means there’s no consequence to him at all. Just carry on, no incentive to ensure he doesn’t do it again.
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| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 09:11 - Oct 29 with 1430 views | toboboly |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 07:35 - Oct 29 by SydneyRs |
Adomah didn't head it, he volleyed it.
Hang on, you aren't the linesman are you?
Oh and there's the handball/penalty call (Stroud's job) that would make Austin's position irrelevant anyway.
I get it, bad decisions happen all the time. But this one really stands out for me due to the sheer number of errors, I'm genuinely struggling to recall a worse decision I've seen. [Post edited 29 Oct 2021 7:36]
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It's also the timing of the flag raising, it was an age after the goal, interestingly it only happens after the Sunderland team belatedly all raise their hands. I reckon he panicked and thought that that many arms going up means it must have been offside.
Whatever, it is a rank awful decision. |  |
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| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 10:42 - Oct 29 with 1352 views | HamptonR |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 09:11 - Oct 29 by toboboly |
It's also the timing of the flag raising, it was an age after the goal, interestingly it only happens after the Sunderland team belatedly all raise their hands. I reckon he panicked and thought that that many arms going up means it must have been offside.
Whatever, it is a rank awful decision. |
The delay is what is still bugging me.
All of us have seen awful decisions, most can be excused as mistakes, marginal decisions, "Seen them given"
But there are some that linger long in the memory.
Cantona's goal in the seventh minute of injury time, which was five minutes after the ref told Simon Barker that there were three minutes to go.
Mr Singh, astonishingly poor performance, where every decision went to Spurs and the rules were totally ignored.
Rob Styles, home or away, he just made up rules that suited him.
The lino took too long to put his flag up, on the replay you can see that Albert takes two looks over his shoulder before celebrating.
If the lino thought Charlie was off, the flag would be up when he headed it, and the same for when Albert volleyed it.
**Writing the above has proved to be a cathartic exercise** | | | |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 11:18 - Oct 29 with 1313 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 07:35 - Oct 29 by SydneyRs |
Adomah didn't head it, he volleyed it.
Hang on, you aren't the linesman are you?
Oh and there's the handball/penalty call (Stroud's job) that would make Austin's position irrelevant anyway.
I get it, bad decisions happen all the time. But this one really stands out for me due to the sheer number of errors, I'm genuinely struggling to recall a worse decision I've seen. [Post edited 29 Oct 2021 7:36]
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Clint Hill's header away to Bolton; it was about 1m over the line when Bogdan? hooked it back onto the pitch. |  |
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| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 11:27 - Oct 29 with 1289 views | Juzzie |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 11:18 - Oct 29 by Esox_Lucius |
Clint Hill's header away to Bolton; it was about 1m over the line when Bogdan? hooked it back onto the pitch. |
Came from a corner we should not have had either  | | | |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 12:15 - Oct 29 with 1221 views | SydneyRs |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 11:18 - Oct 29 by Esox_Lucius |
Clint Hill's header away to Bolton; it was about 1m over the line when Bogdan? hooked it back onto the pitch. |
That one did spring to mind, but was a single error rather than 3. | | | |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 12:50 - Oct 29 with 1170 views | wombat |
| Keith Stroud Wikipedia Page on 12:15 - Oct 29 by SydneyRs |
That one did spring to mind, but was a single error rather than 3. |
somebody posted the stroud stats when he has been in charge of our games think we lost 54% of them in total highest amount for any clubs hes been in the middle for must be a coincidence lol |  |
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