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My black friends and colleagues all say the same thing, 'white privalage is nonsense'.
If you're between 18 and 30 and white travelling in a group to football you'll occasionally be stopped by the Police as most hooligans fall within that demographic.
If you're between 18 and 30 and a black male you'll be stopped more often than others because most street crime is committed by people who look like you.
The Police use excessive force against white football fans every week and excessive force on occasions on black youths.
It's tough, it's life.
Do you know of any white mnan in his 30's that drives a company BMW that is stopped for a spot check?
No, I don't either, but I do know a black man in his 30's that drives a company BMW who can't remember the last year that he wasn't stopped at least once a month. He regards it as a bonus if it is only once a month!
The problem with BLM and it shows in this thread, full 6 pages, that it is a movement but it's the wrong kind.
It is mainly middle class white people who believe in the b0llocks that is critical race theory.
BLM has become/is a fascist movement. It had created an us and them mentality which is the exact opposite to what we really need to stop racism. Its a shame that if anyone thinks this they will be shot down as racist. Maybe the working class just understand that not making a big deal of the colour of someone's skin may actually stop all this nonsense 🤷🤷
Someone else has already addressed Trevor Phillips so will move on to the other stuff you say.
Critical Race Theory has become like 'woke' in the sense that right wing press and people, disingenuously, present it as the language of the white middle classes. Both are terms coined by black American academics.
Why is it for you to decide that BLM is the 'wrong kind of movement'?
I'd say mostly (this is a significant caveat, undoubtedly) peaceful protest is a lot less divisive than police brutality - George Floyd, Sandra Bland, Mark Duggan, Sara Read, Julian Cole, Dalian Atkinson and the institutional racism suffered by black people in this country. I truly don't understand how you can be more enraged by the existence of BLM and people taking a knee than people being murdered.
I look at us now with half the team taking the knee and half not and think we look bloody stupid, either all do it or all don't do it.
Nobody should be forced to take the knee, or not take the knee if they don’t want to. So you saying that all should do it is wrong.
In my opinion, I’d say a decent percentage of players don’t want to take the knee. That’s not saying that they don’t agree with anti racism, but it’s become very politicised and I’d say they just want to play football.
Nobody should be forced to take the knee, or not take the knee if they don’t want to. So you saying that all should do it is wrong.
In my opinion, I’d say a decent percentage of players don’t want to take the knee. That’s not saying that they don’t agree with anti racism, but it’s become very politicised and I’d say they just want to play football.
I get that and understand why they are doing it and think it's become a token gesture which isn't changing anything but when you have some players doing it and others not it just looks bad. I'd rather they all did it or none of them. If some of the team feel strongly they should take the knee (and I assume they do as the same 4 players do it every week) then their team mates should support them and join in. The team look nowhere near as united as they did last season and I think this is part of that.
The whole political part of it has been imagined imo, footballers are clearly doing it for an end to racism, they've said that on multiple occasions.
Honestly if it’s that big a deal just don’t watch for those five seconds.
Yes it is ! Got nothing to do with solidarity etc , whatever your opinion on players taking the knee or not is irrelevant . We will put them in a difficult position with their fans when we turn up not kneeling while they do so to keep everyone happy including sky , we are going to be Hippocrates and do as we are told .
I thought taking the knee was a largely meaningless gesture when compared to the steps QPR have taken to really support black people in the game. However, Millwall's actions on Saturday show that there is still room for a gesture - even if it's 2 fingers to the idiots in the crowd.
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I thought taking the knee was a largely meaningless gesture when compared to the steps QPR have taken to really support black people in the game. However, Millwall's actions on Saturday show that there is still room for a gesture - even if it's 2 fingers to the idiots in the crowd.
Agreed.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
I thought taking the knee was a largely meaningless gesture when compared to the steps QPR have taken to really support black people in the game. However, Millwall's actions on Saturday show that there is still room for a gesture - even if it's 2 fingers to the idiots in the crowd.
Bang on the money.
No hope of the players unfurling a big banner with "Eff You, Millwall scumbags" on, I suppose?
I thought taking the knee was a largely meaningless gesture when compared to the steps QPR have taken to really support black people in the game. However, Millwall's actions on Saturday show that there is still room for a gesture - even if it's 2 fingers to the idiots in the crowd.
100%
Cannot leave any room for those thinking that QPR didn't take the knee previously because they didn't agree with the cause
I thought taking the knee was a largely meaningless gesture when compared to the steps QPR have taken to really support black people in the game. However, Millwall's actions on Saturday show that there is still room for a gesture - even if it's 2 fingers to the idiots in the crowd.
Yeh agreed. Totally agreed with what Les said earlier in the season, and big flashy gestures that look good for the television cameras over action always irk me anyway, but it's clear that a certain section of people are latching onto us not doing it and using it to further a cause which couldn't be any further away from what Ferdinand and QPR have been trying to say and do, so it's right to make that point tomorrow.
Absolute mess though. And really sad. 2020 for goodness sake, and still this sht going round and round.
“In light of certain events, we’ll stand solidly behind the cause and our players will take a knee,” Warburton said. “Tomorrow night we will show solidarity because we will not tolerate any form of discrimination. It’s the right thing to do, everyone can see that. The players have come to me and told me their thoughts and I absolutely agree with them.”
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