| Season Ticket renewals. 21:51 - Sep 2 with 30426 views | Esox_Lucius |
I was chatting on the phone tonight with Dave Thomas and we spent a long time discussing what lay ahead for us both. We are both now in the seniors category so and fans likely to be allowed back in the ground wouldn't include us, and most of the friends we have both made in many, many years whilst we have been going to W12 and around the country.
This would mean the end of our regular seats in the Upper Loft through no fault of our own and the thought of buying a season ticket whilst not being allowed in the stadium doesn't sound in the least bit attractive on a fixed income. Sitting in a stadium with just a few thousand fans who are not allowed to sing or cheer doesn't set the body tingling either and the whole issue of entry and egress, coupled with toilet breaks means it is going to be fairly unworkable.
Having had a lifelong viewpoint of don't just keep coming up with problems, come up with solutions I had a think. Foremost in my thinking is...
*The club need money to survive and season tickets form an integral part of that each season.
*I don't want to pay for something I am not going to be able to use for the foreseeable future.
*I don't want to give up my seat in the Upper Loft.
* I am not interested in swapping out my matchday ticket for a stream.
What I came up with was to permit the club to take out the direct debit as normal once they are ready to do so and offer a number of options as to what fans want to do with that season ticket.
Redeem it with a stream for home and away matches until such a time as fans are allowed back into the stadium in a reduced and managed capacity.
Redeem it with a stream for home and away matches until such a time as fans are allowed back into the stadium in the normal fashion.
Neither of the above but, for the duration of the period before normal service is resumed, each match ticket not used is credited towards the following seasons season ticket on a one for one basis.
This would allow fans who sit together to retain their group of seats and still allow the club to get much needed funding.
Thoughts?
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| Season Ticket renewals. on 09:29 - Sep 16 with 1992 views | francisbowles |
I think the club are 'bending over backwards' to be fair here.
IF we sell more season tickets than we can accomodate, then there will be a ballot. IF you do not intend to enter at least half of those ballots, then request a refund.
Should there be a change in the government 'rules' the club will consider the 50% ratio and ensure 'well intentioned' fans are not denied a refund.
If we don't sell over our 'covid capacity' then normal rules apply and the only refunds will be for behind closed doors matches.
The whole covid situation remains unclear and strategies are having to be made up and adapted as we go along. The club have taken considerable time and effort to plan this and ensure they can manage it safely. There is no perfect system. |  | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 09:52 - Sep 16 with 1947 views | daveB |
I can't see how they have changed the rules or are trying to catch anyone out? They made it pretty clear last week and are giving you the choice, if you don't think you can get to games and don't want to enter at least 50% of the ballots then don't renew and you won't lose your seat. |  | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:04 - Sep 16 with 1921 views | RBlock |
I don't see an issue with what the club have done here to be honest.
The free streams are there to compensate ST holders who are prevented from attending because of limited capacity. It stands to reason that they would employ a mechanism to stop people gaming the system to just get free streams for the whole year. In normal circumstances, you wouldn't buy a season ticket if you can't attend at least 50% of the games, otherwise it wouldn't be worth it - why is this massively different? The club (Hoos) need to protect their revenue streams. I understand people's anxieties about travelling on public transport, but you can't completely seperate the different areas of risk.
The situation that is different here, is for those people who would usually attend a handful of games, but can't this year unless they buy a season ticket. It sucks, I feel for them, and I hope that the club can figure out how to accommodate them should the season ticket holders attending not reach capacity. |  | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:05 - Sep 16 with 1915 views | daveB |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 01:17 - Sep 16 by DannyPaddox |
The more I read the more about the ST stuff the more I’m confused.
What is this 50% ballot rule? It seems to suggest we have to opt into a ballot for each game. Surely if you buy a ST you are automatically in the ballot for each game? Am I missing something here?
Do I get full (1/23rd) a refund for last Saturday’s game v Forest?
Do I get a partial rebate cos I watched the stream?
Or do I get no refund cos it’s still BCD.
Got my head around a few other things at the moment sorry if I’m being thick. |
You can choose if you want to enter the ballot or not, you may be unwell and unable to go so they only want people who will 100% be going to the game to enter. It would be pointless for example to give a ticket to a season ticket holder who can't make a midweek game so they are just asking you to say if you can go or not in advance.
For the refund you get a refund for every home game played behind closed doors.
when the stadium opens If you enter the ballot and don't get a ticket then you will also get a refund for that game | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:08 - Sep 16 with 1907 views | GloryHunter |
So if I really wanted to "abuse" the system (not a good choice of word IMO), then all I'd have to do is apply for 50% of the ballots - ie 12 games - with no intention of attending them. Then I would still be able to claim the pro-rata refund for the other 11 fixtures. So I'd be refunded almost half of my ST anyway.
I have no intention of doing this, by the way, but I suspect the club will have to issue a further "update" as soon as they realise they have left this loophole open. |  | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:09 - Sep 16 with 1904 views | daveB |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 07:08 - Sep 16 by Michael_Hunt |
I think the club have unnecessarily alienated quite a few with this “rule” change. As I said earlier, quite a lot of my match day experience is to do with meeting up with mates that I only see on match day, a few pints and a chinwag after the game before heading off to our various parts of the country.
If I can’t form a bubble then there’s no guarantee that we’ll all be successful in the ballot so that alongside the reluctance to board tube trains at the moment makes attending in the near future quite unappealing..
The original idea that we’d get a refund at the end of the season AND games streamed seemed perfectly fitting and rewarding to those of us who have paid money up front. |
All they are trying to do is give you the option that if you can't get to games or don't find it appealing then take your money back now and they will hold your seat for you. It seems pretty fair to me. | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:10 - Sep 16 with 1900 views | daveB |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:08 - Sep 16 by GloryHunter |
So if I really wanted to "abuse" the system (not a good choice of word IMO), then all I'd have to do is apply for 50% of the ballots - ie 12 games - with no intention of attending them. Then I would still be able to claim the pro-rata refund for the other 11 fixtures. So I'd be refunded almost half of my ST anyway.
I have no intention of doing this, by the way, but I suspect the club will have to issue a further "update" as soon as they realise they have left this loophole open. |
What would be the point of doing that though? It would be a lot easier and cheaper to get a 100% refund now and pay for the streams | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:13 - Sep 16 with 1896 views | GloryHunter |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:10 - Sep 16 by daveB |
What would be the point of doing that though? It would be a lot easier and cheaper to get a 100% refund now and pay for the streams |
If you've got a concession ST it would work out cheaper than paying for all the streams. | | | |
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| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:17 - Sep 16 with 1878 views | daveB |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:13 - Sep 16 by GloryHunter |
If you've got a concession ST it would work out cheaper than paying for all the streams. |
Just seems an odd way to save 50 quid, fair play if people are going to do that but I think the club are hoping we won't be arseholes about this and try and find ways to get round it. Personally if I didn't want to go to games I'd just take the money back now [Post edited 16 Sep 2020 10:18]
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| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:25 - Sep 16 with 1857 views | GloryHunter |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:17 - Sep 16 by daveB |
Just seems an odd way to save 50 quid, fair play if people are going to do that but I think the club are hoping we won't be arseholes about this and try and find ways to get round it. Personally if I didn't want to go to games I'd just take the money back now [Post edited 16 Sep 2020 10:18]
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I'm not arguing, Dave. I'm just pointing out that it's a loophole that the club probably haven't thought of. Expect a further "update" when they do. | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:32 - Sep 16 with 1845 views | terryb |
We also don't know what number will be allowed to attend.
I believe that 5,000 was only a figure used for example rather than being set in stone. It may be that it could be 3,000 (or less) for the first game & increased over time as well as everything goes well.
I've no idea if that is the case, I doubt if the club know & I'm fairly certain that the government don't know either!
Midweek matches are a pain for me to get to, but provided I "only" have to enter 50% of the ballots, I don't have to enter for all midweek. Plus, I would probably drive for midweek to avoid having to be back at Liverpool Street by 10.30pm. As a senior, but not on the at risk list, this could be safer for me than using Greater Anglia! | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 11:22 - Sep 16 with 1793 views | colinallcars |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:32 - Sep 16 by terryb |
We also don't know what number will be allowed to attend.
I believe that 5,000 was only a figure used for example rather than being set in stone. It may be that it could be 3,000 (or less) for the first game & increased over time as well as everything goes well.
I've no idea if that is the case, I doubt if the club know & I'm fairly certain that the government don't know either!
Midweek matches are a pain for me to get to, but provided I "only" have to enter 50% of the ballots, I don't have to enter for all midweek. Plus, I would probably drive for midweek to avoid having to be back at Liverpool Street by 10.30pm. As a senior, but not on the at risk list, this could be safer for me than using Greater Anglia! |
Yes, I think that “ abuse the system” was unfortunate language but the club are otherwise approaching the issue in a mannerly fashion. I have absolutely no idea how many games I may he able to attend. None of us really knows.
That said, I will not apply for a refund, I'll let it ride and see what happens. If I'm a few quid out then what the hell, the club needs the revenue. Maybe next season we'll be back to normal. |  | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:06 - Sep 16 with 1697 views | PinnerPaul |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 01:17 - Sep 16 by DannyPaddox |
The more I read the more about the ST stuff the more I’m confused.
What is this 50% ballot rule? It seems to suggest we have to opt into a ballot for each game. Surely if you buy a ST you are automatically in the ballot for each game? Am I missing something here?
Do I get full (1/23rd) a refund for last Saturday’s game v Forest?
Do I get a partial rebate cos I watched the stream?
Or do I get no refund cos it’s still BCD.
Got my head around a few other things at the moment sorry if I’m being thick. |
You don't have to opt in for 'each game', just 50%. | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:10 - Sep 16 with 1682 views | PinnerPaul |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 10:08 - Sep 16 by GloryHunter |
So if I really wanted to "abuse" the system (not a good choice of word IMO), then all I'd have to do is apply for 50% of the ballots - ie 12 games - with no intention of attending them. Then I would still be able to claim the pro-rata refund for the other 11 fixtures. So I'd be refunded almost half of my ST anyway.
I have no intention of doing this, by the way, but I suspect the club will have to issue a further "update" as soon as they realise they have left this loophole open. |
No not quite, if successful in the ballot but don't attend you don't get the 1/23 refund for every game where you could have gone but have chosen not to. | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:14 - Sep 16 with 1664 views | LythamR |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:10 - Sep 16 by PinnerPaul |
No not quite, if successful in the ballot but don't attend you don't get the 1/23 refund for every game where you could have gone but have chosen not to. |
Which i think is probably fair enough |  | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:23 - Sep 16 with 1637 views | PinnerPaul |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:14 - Sep 16 by LythamR |
Which i think is probably fair enough |
I agree - you've never been able to get a refund just because you couldn't attend - whatever the reason. | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:41 - Sep 16 with 1606 views | Oh_Bobby |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 09:08 - Sep 16 by GloryHunter |
They've changed the rules but say you can cancel your ST and get your money back if you don't like it. Cancel by 2nd October.
If you do that, you'll have had three streamed games for free - Forest (h), Coventry (midweek away - we hope), and Middlesborough (h).
The club is clearly making it up as they go along. But then so is the government.
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/season-ticket-update/ |
The Boventry game is on SKY Main Event so won't be available on the streaming service. | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:54 - Sep 16 with 1576 views | PinnerPaul |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:41 - Sep 16 by Oh_Bobby |
The Boventry game is on SKY Main Event so won't be available on the streaming service. |
Been discussed on here already, the game IS available to ST holders | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:57 - Sep 16 with 1568 views | PinnerPaul |
As a side note, the distribution of fixtures IS barmy - as Clive has pointed out many times.
We play Boro 26th Sept then no home game until 21st October when we play 3 in 11 days, with an away game thrown in there as well! | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 14:52 - Sep 16 with 1487 views | daveB |
but brilliantly from the EFL they didn't give clubs enough notice and just announced it before they agreed so Luton have pulled out | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 15:18 - Sep 16 with 1460 views | losethedrum |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:57 - Sep 16 by PinnerPaul |
As a side note, the distribution of fixtures IS barmy - as Clive has pointed out many times.
We play Boro 26th Sept then no home game until 21st October when we play 3 in 11 days, with an away game thrown in there as well! |
Yes its madness , then after the 3 home games in 11 days we then have no home game for the next three weeks ! | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 15:34 - Sep 16 with 1430 views | PinnerPaul |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 14:52 - Sep 16 by daveB |
but brilliantly from the EFL they didn't give clubs enough notice and just announced it before they agreed so Luton have pulled out |
To be fair, as you usually are Dave!, the EFL can only give as much notice as the government gives them - which they did apologise for. | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 15:37 - Sep 16 with 1420 views | GloryHunter |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 13:10 - Sep 16 by PinnerPaul |
No not quite, if successful in the ballot but don't attend you don't get the 1/23 refund for every game where you could have gone but have chosen not to. |
Yes I understand that. But I could still claim for the other 11 games that I didn't enter the ballot for.
As I've said, I'm not planning to do this. I'm just pointing out a loophole. | | | |
| Season Ticket renewals. on 16:08 - Sep 16 with 1383 views | denhamhoop2 |
Sadly I am a single person no others in my bubble so am automatically bottom of every ballot this in spite of being a 20+ year season ticket holder. I have emailed the club asking does it seem fair that a 2 new season ticket holders who purchase on 2nd October hence having missed the first 2 games will get priority over myself. Another issue no one has mentioned yet is the different levels of season ticket prices as surely financially it's in the club's interest to prioritize platinum over Bronze for attendance | | | |
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