| Clements input into the transfer window 17:34 - Jan 31 with 4093 views | Darran |
Utter shite.
I honestly thought when he came here he'd have contacts to bring in a couple of quality loanees untill the end of the season but his input has clearly been piss poor. |  |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:47 - Jan 31 with 1872 views | MyFinalHeaven |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 17:43 - Jan 31 by E20Jack |
His contacts are at the best clubs in the world. We won't see the benefit of those kind of players until we as a club show we are capable of being an ambitious competitive Premier League club whether that be permanent or on loan. Nobody of that calibre wants to be in a relegation scrap when they can stay where they are and pick up medals with a bit of game time off the bench to boot. [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 17:49]
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This isn't true. At all.
Chelsea and Real Madrid, 2 of Clement's former clubs, regularly let quality players on their books go on loan to lower mid table sides or even relegation fighting sides. In recent seasons Chelsea have loaned Ake to Watford, Bertrand to Southampton, Moses to Stoke, Lukaku to WBA, etc. They even loaned out de Bruyne one season to Werder in 2013. This season they've loaned Ake to Bournemouth, Remy to Palace, and Kalas to Fulham. Real Madrid this season loaned Marcos Llorente to Alaves of all places this season and he's been an absolute revelation, hands down the best DM in the league.
It's very, very unfortunate that we haven't been able to take advantage of Clement's contacts at RM, Chelsea, Bayern, and PSG. As we all know, they are among the 4 best teams in the world, and there are always going to be players there of superb quality who are not getting any games and available to be taken on loan. I thought with Clement here we'd finally be able to get some of these guys as so many other clubs have, but sadly this has not happened. [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 18:54]
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:48 - Jan 31 with 1858 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:27 - Jan 31 by longlostjack |
How do you define youth? As a Manure fan I'd have thought you would have been able to grasp the idea. I''m sure PC would have identified a couple of Bayern equivalents of Rashford. |
Well I'd assume any player contracted to Bayern Munich who is deemed only good enough to currently play in the German third tier must be a youth player.
We are not in the position to test out whether some of Bayern's promising youngsters can handle senior football. We need proven players who can step in and do a job. |  |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:53 - Jan 31 with 1820 views | Darran |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:48 - Jan 31 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Well I'd assume any player contracted to Bayern Munich who is deemed only good enough to currently play in the German third tier must be a youth player.
We are not in the position to test out whether some of Bayern's promising youngsters can handle senior football. We need proven players who can step in and do a job. |
Players like Borini,Caulker,Gylfi you mean? Ones that can make a difference. | |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:55 - Jan 31 with 1794 views | builthjack |
Seems odd that Clement, who has been where he has, cannot bring a few good loan i.e. she in. Jenkins interfering is my guess. |  |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:56 - Jan 31 with 1779 views | longlostjack |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:48 - Jan 31 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Well I'd assume any player contracted to Bayern Munich who is deemed only good enough to currently play in the German third tier must be a youth player.
We are not in the position to test out whether some of Bayern's promising youngsters can handle senior football. We need proven players who can step in and do a job. |
Your assumption is wrong. |  |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:56 - Jan 31 with 1774 views | E20Jack |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:47 - Jan 31 by MyFinalHeaven |
This isn't true. At all.
Chelsea and Real Madrid, 2 of Clement's former clubs, regularly let quality players on their books go on loan to lower mid table sides or even relegation fighting sides. In recent seasons Chelsea have loaned Ake to Watford, Bertrand to Southampton, Moses to Stoke, Lukaku to WBA, etc. They even loaned out de Bruyne one season to Werder in 2013. This season they've loaned Ake to Bournemouth, Remy to Palace, and Kalas to Fulham. Real Madrid this season loaned Marcos Llorente to Alaves of all places this season and he's been an absolute revelation, hands down the best DM in the league.
It's very, very unfortunate that we haven't been able to take advantage of Clement's contacts at RM, Chelsea, Bayern, and PSG. As we all know, they are among the 4 best teams in the world, and there are always going to be players there of superb quality who are not getting any games and available to be taken on loan. I thought with Clement here we'd finally be able to get some of these guys as so many other clubs have, but sadly this has not happened. [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 18:54]
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I don't think any of those players have gone into a relegation battle have they? Remy has, granted but would we want Remy? I would prefer Llorente. The players people are talking about are the likes of Badstuber and Terry surely? not young fringe players. |  |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:15 - Jan 31 with 1674 views | MyFinalHeaven |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:56 - Jan 31 by E20Jack |
I don't think any of those players have gone into a relegation battle have they? Remy has, granted but would we want Remy? I would prefer Llorente. The players people are talking about are the likes of Badstuber and Terry surely? not young fringe players. |
"I don't think any of those players have gone into a relegation battle have they?"
When Sturridge joined Bolton in 2011 they were in the relegation zone. They would end up being relegated that year.
This season everyone tipped the tiny, newly promoted Alaves to be relegated and Llorente joined them anyways. If not for him they'd be in the relegation zone right now.
"The players people are talking about are the likes of Badstuber and Terry surely? not young fringe players."
We're really not. What you have to understand is, the young fringe players in clubs like Madrid, Bayern, PSG, and Chelsea aren't like young fringe players elsewhere. Most of them are decent professionals, while many of them are world class players who merely can't/couldn't get games because they're playing in such ridiculously star studded teams. A lot of the stars you see in those teams today were once young fringe players who couldn't get games and went out on loan for a season or two, if not more. In addition to the names I have already mentioned, primarily all the Chelsea ones, in recent years Real Madrid, PSG, and Bayern have loaned out David Alaba, Hojberg, Casimero, Kévin Gameiro, Lucas Digne, and Mamadou Sakho. Quite the list wouldn't you say? [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 19:17]
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:19 - Jan 31 with 1643 views | E20Jack |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:15 - Jan 31 by MyFinalHeaven |
"I don't think any of those players have gone into a relegation battle have they?"
When Sturridge joined Bolton in 2011 they were in the relegation zone. They would end up being relegated that year.
This season everyone tipped the tiny, newly promoted Alaves to be relegated and Llorente joined them anyways. If not for him they'd be in the relegation zone right now.
"The players people are talking about are the likes of Badstuber and Terry surely? not young fringe players."
We're really not. What you have to understand is, the young fringe players in clubs like Madrid, Bayern, PSG, and Chelsea aren't like young fringe players elsewhere. Most of them are decent professionals, while many of them are world class players who merely can't/couldn't get games because they're playing in such ridiculously star studded teams. A lot of the stars you see in those teams today were once young fringe players who couldn't get games and went out on loan for a season or two, if not more. In addition to the names I have already mentioned, primarily all the Chelsea ones, in recent years Real Madrid, PSG, and Bayern have loaned out David Alaba, Hojberg, Casimero, Kévin Gameiro, Lucas Digne, and Mamadou Sakho. Quite the list wouldn't you say? [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 19:17]
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But the Sturridge of 2011 wasn't the Sturridge of today. You are talking about kids who happened to come good, many have gone on loan and been awful. We are in a relegation battle and cannot afford to take risks on inexperienced kids so any loan deals would be for some of the older guard, and they won't want to come. Who are you talking about in particular then? No good in talking about players of the past. Who right now would come to us in a relegation battle that would improve our starting 11? | |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:25 - Jan 31 with 1596 views | jack2jack |
Thought it would have been a bit different tbh as Darren said,but at the end of the day can't say I'm surprised,carry on as before, all systems normal.  |  | | |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:30 - Jan 31 with 1567 views | Concerned_Parent |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:19 - Jan 31 by E20Jack |
But the Sturridge of 2011 wasn't the Sturridge of today. You are talking about kids who happened to come good, many have gone on loan and been awful. We are in a relegation battle and cannot afford to take risks on inexperienced kids so any loan deals would be for some of the older guard, and they won't want to come. Who are you talking about in particular then? No good in talking about players of the past. Who right now would come to us in a relegation battle that would improve our starting 11? |
most of the lads listed there were already good and could have walked into our side in a heartbeat. some of them were already stars, like digne, casemiro, and lukaku
you seriously have no idea how good the out of favour players in those clubs are. 90% of the time their out of favour players and young "inexperienced" prospects are better than our so-called star players. much better. are you really telling me that if we faced the bench players of a world class club today like real madrid or bayern that we wouldn't get clobbered by them? |  | | |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:34 - Jan 31 with 1538 views | exiledclaseboy |
The bloke started work here on 3 January. Why anyone expected him to bring in a host of European starlets willing to pitch themselves into a relegation dogfight within three weeks is beyond me.
Shit thread. |  |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:37 - Jan 31 with 1515 views | E20Jack |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:30 - Jan 31 by Concerned_Parent |
most of the lads listed there were already good and could have walked into our side in a heartbeat. some of them were already stars, like digne, casemiro, and lukaku
you seriously have no idea how good the out of favour players in those clubs are. 90% of the time their out of favour players and young "inexperienced" prospects are better than our so-called star players. much better. are you really telling me that if we faced the bench players of a world class club today like real madrid or bayern that we wouldn't get clobbered by them? |
But as I said most on that list didn't enter a relegation battle either. Very few. Who specifically are you annoyed we did not get? I can't think of one player on the bench at these clubs who would want to come to South Wales for a relegation battle that would actually improve our side. I was excited at the prospect of signing Batshuaiyi and think if he wanted to come we would have worked a deal with Llorente going the other way. We will just have to agree to disagree. I am aware there a good players on the bench for these sides, I just don't think they woukd come to us in this predicament. | |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:41 - Jan 31 with 1493 views | JackInLondon |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 17:57 - Jan 31 by Darran |
That's not the way it works though,Clement goes to Ancelotti ask about a certain player coming to us on loan and Ancelotti sits down with certain player and says to certain player I think it's a good idea if you go out on loan untill the end of the season. |
You missed the bit off the end where HJ won't pay the wages! |  | | |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:54 - Jan 31 with 1460 views | Swanzay |
I think PC had feck all say in any transfers in or out! |  | | |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 22:27 - Jan 31 with 1215 views | Morfa_Same |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:54 - Jan 31 by Swanzay |
I think PC had feck all say in any transfers in or out! |
This.
I don't know how anyone can conclude he doesn't have the contacts. I don't think any of our managers have been allowed any input at all into transfers since the falling out with Laudrup. |  | | |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 22:29 - Jan 31 with 849 views | Swan91 |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:34 - Jan 31 by exiledclaseboy |
The bloke started work here on 3 January. Why anyone expected him to bring in a host of European starlets willing to pitch themselves into a relegation dogfight within three weeks is beyond me.
Shit thread. |
agree... will be interesting to see how next transfer window looks like if we stay up. | | | |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 22:45 - Jan 31 with 803 views | felixstowe_jack |
Well the three players we signed have all contributed. Two of them worked the opening and cross for our second at Liverpool. The new guy broke quickly today looked up and put in an almost perfect cross for Siggy's goal/ | |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 22:46 - Jan 31 with 798 views | Daggyjack |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 18:01 - Jan 31 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
Yeah but I can't see anyone from Bayern wanting to go to a relegation battle in the Premier League. We cannot offer them money as an incentive if pursuing a loan deal.
If I was a footballer and a manager wanted to jeopardise my career just to provide a favour to an old colleague I'd be very angry. [Post edited 31 Jan 2017 18:03]
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Kirchoff did for Sunderland last season - signing from Bayern.
Absolute nonsense to say we've had a bad window or saying we are buying failures like Ayew.
Ayew is a good player, as is Olsson, Carroll and Narsingh. Add to the fact that Siggy and Llorente are staying and Taylor and Barrow are off, then I think the window has been good in freshening the squad up, in and out. |  | | |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 22:55 - Jan 31 with 777 views | morningstar |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:34 - Jan 31 by exiledclaseboy |
The bloke started work here on 3 January. Why anyone expected him to bring in a host of European starlets willing to pitch themselves into a relegation dogfight within three weeks is beyond me.
Shit thread. |
Of course it's a shit thread mun. Watch it mind or Darran will be texting people saying he doesn't like you because of things you post on here. Not that he get's angry about it or takes things seriously of course!  |  |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 23:26 - Jan 31 with 715 views | clement |
just going to leave this here:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/paul-clement-reveals-s
With the likes of Luciano Narsingh and Andrea Ranocchia reportedly on Swansea's radar, Clement revealed he would look at his own targets, as well as ones already highlighted.
"Before I came there were discussions and targets, those targets are known to me now. I bring with me some of my own ideas and thoughts on where we need to strengthen and players I've seen and like," added the former Bayern Munich assistant. |  |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 23:39 - Jan 31 with 665 views | Darran |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:34 - Jan 31 by exiledclaseboy |
The bloke started work here on 3 January. Why anyone expected him to bring in a host of European starlets willing to pitch themselves into a relegation dogfight within three weeks is beyond me.
Shit thread. |
Prick. | |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 23:51 - Jan 31 with 630 views | morningstar |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 23:26 - Jan 31 by clement |
just going to leave this here:
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/paul-clement-reveals-s
With the likes of Luciano Narsingh and Andrea Ranocchia reportedly on Swansea's radar, Clement revealed he would look at his own targets, as well as ones already highlighted.
"Before I came there were discussions and targets, those targets are known to me now. I bring with me some of my own ideas and thoughts on where we need to strengthen and players I've seen and like," added the former Bayern Munich assistant. |
All three, Olsson, Carroll and Narsingh were signed off by Clement. And that's a fact. Carroll came back as due to the influence of the coaches that came here from Spurs, nothing to do with Huw Jenkins and the fact he'd played here before. | |
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| Clements input into the transfer window on 00:12 - Feb 1 with 584 views | Loyal |
| Clements input into the transfer window on 19:34 - Jan 31 by exiledclaseboy |
The bloke started work here on 3 January. Why anyone expected him to bring in a host of European starlets willing to pitch themselves into a relegation dogfight within three weeks is beyond me.
Shit thread. |
Even Brendan had a Scott Sinclair in his back pocket.
I think most think Clement must know one player of note. |  |
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