| "Scapegoats" 18:34 - Oct 16 with 6978 views | macthejack |
Absolutely does my nut that when someone disagrees with a player being rightly criticised they instantly accuse the critic of labeling that player a scapegoat.
It seems a convenient way for some to ignore the fact that many players (Fernandez, Taylor, Ki, Routledge and possibly others) simply are not good enough, at least not at the moment. If you honestly believe those players have been hard done by then something is wrong. They can rightly shoulder more blame than most (although no-one is blame free) for our poor form. |  | | |  |
| "Scapegoats" on 18:38 - Oct 16 with 5467 views | monmouth |
Routs has lost a yard of pace. I think it might have finished him.
The others, well Taylor has played a stupid number of PL games for someone so ordinary, and God alone knows what happened to Ki and Fernandez both of whom had at least one good season. |  |
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| "Scapegoats" on 18:42 - Oct 16 with 5440 views | Darran |
Great OP,I've posted about Routledge being absolutely dire several times but the response is always that I know f*ck all about football. |  |
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| "Scapegoats" on 19:04 - Oct 16 with 5350 views | perchrockjack |
Apart from the creation of the universe and the genius of Leonard Cohen two matters have puzzled me.
Rout ledges extended contract and more incredibly that of dyer.
I'm a grade 3 fan however |  |
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| (No subject) on 19:07 - Oct 16 with 5331 views | JBT95 |
Taylor isn't all that bad don't know why people are slating him constantly. Naughton isn't much better surely?
Ki had a stormer in 14-15 but has been dogsh*t since. Routledge has faded slightly but it could be confidence, although yeah maybe he has lost pace. Fernandez has patches of being very good and average. Personally I'd be playing Mike vdH with Amat at the moment. [Post edited 16 Oct 2016 19:08]
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| "Scapegoats" on 19:07 - Oct 16 with 5325 views | Darran |
| "Scapegoats" on 19:04 - Oct 16 by perchrockjack |
Apart from the creation of the universe and the genius of Leonard Cohen two matters have puzzled me.
Rout ledges extended contract and more incredibly that of dyer.
I'm a grade 3 fan however |
There's no grading of fans my friend you're a fan you mentalist. | |
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| "Scapegoats" on 19:08 - Oct 16 with 5307 views | dickythorpe |
I often think the fans in the West stand are used as scapegoats on here. Who cares if they are quieter, at least they are watching a team they love. |  | | |
| (No subject) on 19:08 - Oct 16 with 5303 views | Darran |
| (No subject) on 19:07 - Oct 16 by JBT95 |
Taylor isn't all that bad don't know why people are slating him constantly. Naughton isn't much better surely?
Ki had a stormer in 14-15 but has been dogsh*t since. Routledge has faded slightly but it could be confidence, although yeah maybe he has lost pace. Fernandez has patches of being very good and average. Personally I'd be playing Mike vdH with Amat at the moment. [Post edited 16 Oct 2016 19:08]
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Oh f*ck please if he wasn't Welsh you wouldn't care. [Post edited 16 Oct 2016 19:15]
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| "Scapegoats" on 19:13 - Oct 16 with 5266 views | dickythorpe |
If only Taylor was like Jesus when it came to crosses. | | | |
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| "Scapegoats" on 19:14 - Oct 16 with 5259 views | perchrockjack |
Taylor is that bad?, well I take my hat off to you because he really IS a disgracefully overated player .its shameful he has so many international caps but we don't have many left backs .
He s utterly pitiful as soon as he ventures over half way.
I really cannot fathom the support HE has. Support the club instead and bin this cretin NOW. Pay him off. We ll benefit.
Same with FF.
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| (No subject) on 19:15 - Oct 16 with 5256 views | ItchySphincter |
| (No subject) on 19:07 - Oct 16 by JBT95 |
Taylor isn't all that bad don't know why people are slating him constantly. Naughton isn't much better surely?
Ki had a stormer in 14-15 but has been dogsh*t since. Routledge has faded slightly but it could be confidence, although yeah maybe he has lost pace. Fernandez has patches of being very good and average. Personally I'd be playing Mike vdH with Amat at the moment. [Post edited 16 Oct 2016 19:08]
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Well that was not predictable. |  |
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| "Scapegoats" on 19:19 - Oct 16 with 5232 views | whaleoilbeefhooked |
Totally agree. Get rid. Fernandez' Taylor, Ki, Routledge and ,as you say possibly others.
Absolute dead wood for Premiership.
We will know how we stand as a Prem. club,come January.
SHOW US THE MONEY!!!!
If the Yanks don't,we're bolloxed.
And I wouldn't mind betting,if we had a good bid for Siggy, the greedy b@stards would snap their hands off. | | | |
| "Scapegoats" on 19:34 - Oct 16 with 5184 views | Fireboy |
| "Scapegoats" on 19:19 - Oct 16 by whaleoilbeefhooked |
Totally agree. Get rid. Fernandez' Taylor, Ki, Routledge and ,as you say possibly others.
Absolute dead wood for Premiership.
We will know how we stand as a Prem. club,come January.
SHOW US THE MONEY!!!!
If the Yanks don't,we're bolloxed.
And I wouldn't mind betting,if we had a good bid for Siggy, the greedy b@stards would snap their hands off. |
This ^ big effing style | | | |
| "Scapegoats" on 19:36 - Oct 16 with 5174 views | Dr_Winston |
| "Scapegoats" on 19:14 - Oct 16 by perchrockjack |
Taylor is that bad?, well I take my hat off to you because he really IS a disgracefully overated player .its shameful he has so many international caps but we don't have many left backs .
He s utterly pitiful as soon as he ventures over half way.
I really cannot fathom the support HE has. Support the club instead and bin this cretin NOW. Pay him off. We ll benefit.
Same with FF.
Get rid as bad debts |
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| "Scapegoats" on 19:37 - Oct 16 with 5168 views | Darran |
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| "Scapegoats" on 19:43 - Oct 16 with 5127 views | MrSwerve |
Escape goats Shirley. |  |
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| "Scapegoats" on 19:49 - Oct 16 with 5090 views | NeiltheTaylor |
I think that, thankfully, some of our supporters can distinguish between decent squad members and starting berths which need strengthening. That's how we get extended deals for decent servants like Dyer and Routs, who in turn get pelters for the club failing to strengthen. Wingers especially are streaky so need swapping about, but the club have left the squad painfully thin. | |
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| "Scapegoats" on 15:09 - Oct 17 with 4902 views | 34dfgdf54 |
Routs will still be a good squad player for us, but should never in a million years be starting matches for us now.
I have completely lost faith in Taylor and Fernandez though, it's time for them to be moved on, sooner rather than later. I will be amazed if Taylor becomes a successful premier league player at a different club. |  | | |
| (No subject) on 15:17 - Oct 17 with 4873 views | jack247 |
Scapegoats isn't calling out when players have bad games, it's criticising the same player, regardless of how he has played, usually because we have lost or played badly as a team. We have had plenty of scapegoats over the last couple of years. Every player mentioned on this thread has had his fair share of games that deserve criticism, some of them get it every game regardless though. | | | |
| "Scapegoats" on 15:22 - Oct 17 with 4860 views | jacabertawe |
Permanent bench warmers, IMHO:
Routledge
Naughton
Taylor
Ki
Cork
Fernandez
(For the pedants: this is as a description of their worth, not a practical option!) |  |
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| "Scapegoats" on 15:33 - Oct 17 with 4838 views | jack247 |
| "Scapegoats" on 15:22 - Oct 17 by jacabertawe |
Permanent bench warmers, IMHO:
Routledge
Naughton
Taylor
Ki
Cork
Fernandez
(For the pedants: this is as a description of their worth, not a practical option!) |
Hard to argue with that, I'd probably add Leon and Rangel, purely on age and Dyer and Montero to the list, then you've got the likes of Kingsley and Fulton who should be pushing for the first team, but are pretty unproven yet.
Just shows how spectacularly our old board took their eye off the ball while they were trying to feather their nests. We literally have one proven central midfielder I'd say is PL quality and able to play 90 minutes each week. Even then he is a #10. | | | |
| "Scapegoats" on 15:35 - Oct 17 with 4835 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| "Scapegoats" on 19:43 - Oct 16 by MrSwerve |
Escape goats Shirley. |
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| "Scapegoats" on 15:38 - Oct 17 with 4827 views | Morfa_Same |
Age catches up with all players. Rangel and Britton are reaching the end but still have a little left in the tank. I think that Routledge may have already reached the end at this level. It doesn't change the fact he's been a good player for us over the last few years. |  | | |
| "Scapegoats" on 15:47 - Oct 17 with 4810 views | jack247 |
| "Scapegoats" on 15:38 - Oct 17 by Morfa_Same |
Age catches up with all players. Rangel and Britton are reaching the end but still have a little left in the tank. I think that Routledge may have already reached the end at this level. It doesn't change the fact he's been a good player for us over the last few years. |
His biggest problem is he needs players around him on his wavelength. Siggy does too to a lesser extent. Surround him with players that will make short, sharp intelligent runs and play little passing triangles and he will be fine. Surround him with Taylor, Cork and Fer, then expect him to run at fullbacks and put crosses in and he is going to struggle every time. | | | |
| "Scapegoats" on 16:04 - Oct 17 with 4780 views | max936 |
| "Scapegoats" on 15:33 - Oct 17 by jack247 |
Hard to argue with that, I'd probably add Leon and Rangel, purely on age and Dyer and Montero to the list, then you've got the likes of Kingsley and Fulton who should be pushing for the first team, but are pretty unproven yet.
Just shows how spectacularly our old board took their eye off the ball while they were trying to feather their nests. We literally have one proven central midfielder I'd say is PL quality and able to play 90 minutes each week. Even then he is a #10. |
When you take those 10 out of the squad there ain't much left, which proves that the squad needs a major overall, which should have been started at least 3 windows ago, we can't do that over one window it'll be madness and as you say the old board couldn't give a shit all their priorities were on getting the biggest buck they could, now we either sink or swim, January isn't the greatest window to try and get the right players in, plus we'd be paying way over the top for what are basically journey men.
Perhaps we might be better looking now at a few that are unattached with points to prove. |  |
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| "Scapegoats" on 16:05 - Oct 17 with 4778 views | union_jack |
| "Scapegoats" on 15:47 - Oct 17 by jack247 |
His biggest problem is he needs players around him on his wavelength. Siggy does too to a lesser extent. Surround him with players that will make short, sharp intelligent runs and play little passing triangles and he will be fine. Surround him with Taylor, Cork and Fer, then expect him to run at fullbacks and put crosses in and he is going to struggle every time. |
Great if players can have a bit of telepathy going on. It does happen.
But even without it, you can work in the 'same wavelength' principle in training. I wish we bloody would! |  |
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