| Ash on 22:47 - Aug 1 with 3417 views | icecoldjack |
| Ash on 22:19 - Aug 1 by skippyjack |
Look.. he's 32.. Rangel was OK at 32 an all.. it's when he hit 33 he become a complacent wreck.. Britton lost it 3 years ago..
Yet they're still here grinding out a living in the top league.. it's true, the pace of the league leaves them behind.. they'll have about 4 decent games a season.. but when you got Bolasie, Zaha, Martial, Berahino dragging you up and down the wing and at the back.. It takes its toll.
Leon 34 coming up 14 years
Rangel 34 coming up 9 years
Williams 32 coming up 8 years
Tremmel 38 coming up 5 years
Routledge is 31 5 years
They've been with us for a considerable amount of time.. and if it wasn't for pure sentiment.. Leon, Rangel and Tremmel would've been gone 2 years ago, if it was another club.
O'Leary 15 years, 3 as coach.. He should've left in the 2002-03 season.. but managed another 10 years.
Tate 13 years, appointed coach.. should've been sold after 2011/12
Trundle 5 years, 3 as coach.. His job is sentiment.
Monk 10 years, 2 as manager.. should've been sold after the 2010/11 season.. and sacked a lot earlier
Bodde 5 years.. somehow he managed to gain 3 more years
Tremmel 5 years.. should have gone after the 2012/13 season
Rangel 9 years.. should have gone this season.
Britton 14 years.. should have gone 2 seasons ago
Gower 5 years.. should have gone after the 2010/11 season
Butler 6 years.. should have gone after the 2008/09 season
Austin 4 years.. somehow managed an extra 2 years
Lawrence 4 years.. somehow managed an extra 2 years
OTJ 4 years.. how he lasted more than a year baffles me
107 years on these.. They don't know how fortunate they are..
O'Leary was a struggling League One player.. and a semi professional coach.. somehow thrust into a premier league set up.
Tate was a Championship player at best.
Trundle 's appointment is pure sentiment.
Monk was a championship player at best.. and somehow landed a top flight managerial job.
Bodde's career had ended.. We still paid him 3 years worth of wages though.
Tremmel.. was signed as a back up.. somehow is still our back up.
Rangel and Britton's time should be up.. but we all know they'll last a few more years yet.
Gower.. struggled in the Championship.. somehow played in the prem.
Butler.. struggled to get in the League One team.. never mind the premier one.
Austin.. had one decent season.. couldn't run after that.
Lawrence and OTJ were garbage full stop.
We have given these players millions of pounds that they don't particularly deserve.. If it was in the 'real' world though.. Some wouldn't have lasted a month. |
Great post skip.
Been saying it for ages, it's been our downfall on more than one occasion. |  | |  |
| Ash on 22:49 - Aug 1 with 3387 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Ash on 22:36 - Aug 1 by Joe_bradshaw |
The challenge is coming up with new things to spend lots more money on. |
A segway for one. I bet ash would love one of those |  |
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| Ash on 23:04 - Aug 1 with 3240 views | forkbeard |
Almost as if the calendar makers knew..
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| Ash on 23:08 - Aug 1 with 3183 views | AngelRangelQS |
Good deal for all involved IMO.
We'd never have turned down that kinda money for a 32 year old who if not over the hill already certainly isn't far off.
Obviously we do need to bring someone in. I can't see why we wouldn't |  | | |
| Ash on 23:12 - Aug 1 with 3144 views | SwansNZ |
| Ash on 23:04 - Aug 1 by forkbeard |
Almost as if the calendar makers knew..
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anyone on September, or is it blank? |  |
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| Ash on 23:12 - Aug 1 with 3143 views | Loyal |
| Ash on 23:08 - Aug 1 by AngelRangelQS |
Good deal for all involved IMO.
We'd never have turned down that kinda money for a 32 year old who if not over the hill already certainly isn't far off.
Obviously we do need to bring someone in. I can't see why we wouldn't |
I actually agree, very good business.
And anyway most fans have had fisticuffs with his welp of an old man. Time for him to put the boot in at the Gladys street end for a season or two. They'll sort him out as well. |  |
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| Ash on 23:14 - Aug 1 with 3123 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| Ash on 22:23 - Aug 1 by Borojack |
And there wss me thinking he had a 2 year contract.
We could say no or tell Everton we want more money.
Tummer what is your take on these guys then are we as the majority seem to think on here in big trouble. |
I don't think they are asset stripping. I believe they will do everything they can to make the club successful. In the short term, I'm confident they will re-invest the money we are getting for Ash, the Gomis loan, etc.
I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I really think their hearts are in the right place. Not just because I briefly met Levien; but much more importantly, because I don't think they are bad businessmen.
Buying a club like Swansea for the sake of asset stripping makes absolutely no business sense at all. It's completely counter-intuitive, and only sounds like a good way to blow most of their 100 million investment.
But I can't vouch for the liquid resources at their disposal to invest in the club. And the jury is still out on their abilities as negotiators, but I'm very unimpressed so far. Despite what others are saying about his best years being behind him, 10 million could be called a steal in this market for Ash, even at age 32.
People always focus on age as if football players come with expiration dates on their shirts, but some guys last a lot longer than others. Given Ash's history of good health and overall toughness, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him last another 4 good years at this level.
So I'm very worried after today, and my worries will grow exponentially if we let Ayew go for anything less than 25 million. I REALLY don't want to let him go for any amount, but it's got to be at least 25 million if we have no choice.
I remain defiantly hopeful for now; but I really need to hear a lot of good news before the end of August. It cannot be overstated how crucial the next 30 days are to the future of this club. Levien and Jenkins best be burning the midnight oil and hustling their asses off to re-build this club before the window closes.
And if this goes tits up, it'll only sting me that much more that these guys are Americans. [Post edited 1 Aug 2016 23:29]
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| Ash on 23:17 - Aug 1 with 3100 views | max936 |
| Ash on 23:08 - Aug 1 by AngelRangelQS |
Good deal for all involved IMO.
We'd never have turned down that kinda money for a 32 year old who if not over the hill already certainly isn't far off.
Obviously we do need to bring someone in. I can't see why we wouldn't |
You me and many others, but we're still waiting for a striker or two plus one or two others, but feckall seems to be happening. |  |
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| Ash on 23:17 - Aug 1 with 3095 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Ash on 23:12 - Aug 1 by Loyal |
I actually agree, very good business.
And anyway most fans have had fisticuffs with his welp of an old man. Time for him to put the boot in at the Gladys street end for a season or two. They'll sort him out as well. |
Clubs like us need to sell our players at the right time and it's better this happens a season too early than a season too late.
If we could find a way for ash to be 29 again and never age then I can understand the concerns about selling him. That's clearly impossible and so however much of a great servant he's been for us, getting £10m for him when he has a maximum of a couple of full seasons left in him makes total sense.
Signed for £400k, had all his best years and sold for £10m... Wonderful | | | |
| Ash on 23:32 - Aug 1 with 2993 views | Gowerjack |
Can I please request that if AW does sign for Everton that we refrain from singing "he's Captain of Wales etc etc " when they play down here.
Because it would be f ucking embarrassing.
Thank you. |  |
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| Ash on 23:35 - Aug 1 with 2968 views | JBG |
| Ash on 23:32 - Aug 1 by Gowerjack |
Can I please request that if AW does sign for Everton that we refrain from singing "he's Captain of Wales etc etc " when they play down here.
Because it would be f ucking embarrassing.
Thank you. |
hahaha well said sent you a pm |  | | |
| Ash on 23:36 - Aug 1 with 2946 views | UplandsJack |
| Ash on 23:17 - Aug 1 by AngelRangelQS |
Clubs like us need to sell our players at the right time and it's better this happens a season too early than a season too late.
If we could find a way for ash to be 29 again and never age then I can understand the concerns about selling him. That's clearly impossible and so however much of a great servant he's been for us, getting £10m for him when he has a maximum of a couple of full seasons left in him makes total sense.
Signed for £400k, had all his best years and sold for £10m... Wonderful |
Totally agree....
I really don't get all this nonsense that he's a rock etc... They guy gets his head down more than most when the going gets tough... Good player, no argument from me there. But a leader of men, sorry but not a fooking chance...
This is a great, I repeat GREAT bit of business under normal circumstances. I do have to admit though that I'm more than a bit concerned that the monies will be re invested in the 1st team. |  | | |
| Ash on 23:36 - Aug 1 with 2946 views | jacktar |
| Ash on 22:19 - Aug 1 by skippyjack |
Look.. he's 32.. Rangel was OK at 32 an all.. it's when he hit 33 he become a complacent wreck.. Britton lost it 3 years ago..
Yet they're still here grinding out a living in the top league.. it's true, the pace of the league leaves them behind.. they'll have about 4 decent games a season.. but when you got Bolasie, Zaha, Martial, Berahino dragging you up and down the wing and at the back.. It takes its toll.
Leon 34 coming up 14 years
Rangel 34 coming up 9 years
Williams 32 coming up 8 years
Tremmel 38 coming up 5 years
Routledge is 31 5 years
They've been with us for a considerable amount of time.. and if it wasn't for pure sentiment.. Leon, Rangel and Tremmel would've been gone 2 years ago, if it was another club.
O'Leary 15 years, 3 as coach.. He should've left in the 2002-03 season.. but managed another 10 years.
Tate 13 years, appointed coach.. should've been sold after 2011/12
Trundle 5 years, 3 as coach.. His job is sentiment.
Monk 10 years, 2 as manager.. should've been sold after the 2010/11 season.. and sacked a lot earlier
Bodde 5 years.. somehow he managed to gain 3 more years
Tremmel 5 years.. should have gone after the 2012/13 season
Rangel 9 years.. should have gone this season.
Britton 14 years.. should have gone 2 seasons ago
Gower 5 years.. should have gone after the 2010/11 season
Butler 6 years.. should have gone after the 2008/09 season
Austin 4 years.. somehow managed an extra 2 years
Lawrence 4 years.. somehow managed an extra 2 years
OTJ 4 years.. how he lasted more than a year baffles me
107 years on these.. They don't know how fortunate they are..
O'Leary was a struggling League One player.. and a semi professional coach.. somehow thrust into a premier league set up.
Tate was a Championship player at best.
Trundle 's appointment is pure sentiment.
Monk was a championship player at best.. and somehow landed a top flight managerial job.
Bodde's career had ended.. We still paid him 3 years worth of wages though.
Tremmel.. was signed as a back up.. somehow is still our back up.
Rangel and Britton's time should be up.. but we all know they'll last a few more years yet.
Gower.. struggled in the Championship.. somehow played in the prem.
Butler.. struggled to get in the League One team.. never mind the premier one.
Austin.. had one decent season.. couldn't run after that.
Lawrence and OTJ were garbage full stop.
We have given these players millions of pounds that they don't particularly deserve.. If it was in the 'real' world though.. Some wouldn't have lasted a month. |
Yet another "list" from Skippy.
Now there's a surprise! |  |
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| Ash on 23:45 - Aug 1 with 2898 views | morningstar |
| Ash on 23:32 - Aug 1 by Gowerjack |
Can I please request that if AW does sign for Everton that we refrain from singing "he's Captain of Wales etc etc " when they play down here.
Because it would be f ucking embarrassing.
Thank you. |
Request what you like. It'll happen, even if he goes up for a corner, smashes the ball past Fab and runs to the East stand kissing the badge! |  |
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| Ash on 23:49 - Aug 1 with 2857 views | Gowerjack |
| Ash on 23:35 - Aug 1 by JBG |
hahaha well said sent you a pm |
Hi Kev
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| Ash on 23:54 - Aug 1 with 2808 views | Drizzy |
This is smart business if you consider the deal in a vacuum.
However it's absolutely awful timing. Seems our squad is slowly frittering away, with all the paper talk being of further departures.
Worrying. |  |
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| Ash on 00:40 - Aug 2 with 2692 views | Loyal |
| Ash on 23:14 - Aug 1 by Tummer_from_Texas |
I don't think they are asset stripping. I believe they will do everything they can to make the club successful. In the short term, I'm confident they will re-invest the money we are getting for Ash, the Gomis loan, etc.
I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I really think their hearts are in the right place. Not just because I briefly met Levien; but much more importantly, because I don't think they are bad businessmen.
Buying a club like Swansea for the sake of asset stripping makes absolutely no business sense at all. It's completely counter-intuitive, and only sounds like a good way to blow most of their 100 million investment.
But I can't vouch for the liquid resources at their disposal to invest in the club. And the jury is still out on their abilities as negotiators, but I'm very unimpressed so far. Despite what others are saying about his best years being behind him, 10 million could be called a steal in this market for Ash, even at age 32.
People always focus on age as if football players come with expiration dates on their shirts, but some guys last a lot longer than others. Given Ash's history of good health and overall toughness, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him last another 4 good years at this level.
So I'm very worried after today, and my worries will grow exponentially if we let Ayew go for anything less than 25 million. I REALLY don't want to let him go for any amount, but it's got to be at least 25 million if we have no choice.
I remain defiantly hopeful for now; but I really need to hear a lot of good news before the end of August. It cannot be overstated how crucial the next 30 days are to the future of this club. Levien and Jenkins best be burning the midnight oil and hustling their asses off to re-build this club before the window closes.
And if this goes tits up, it'll only sting me that much more that these guys are Americans. [Post edited 1 Aug 2016 23:29]
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The liquid resources is the TV money - if the club is run as tightly as it has been utilising this yearly windfall there is no reason for that can't to continue. | |
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| Ash on 00:42 - Aug 2 with 2688 views | Loyal |
| Ash on 23:32 - Aug 1 by Gowerjack |
Can I please request that if AW does sign for Everton that we refrain from singing "he's Captain of Wales etc etc " when they play down here.
Because it would be f ucking embarrassing.
Thank you. |
It's not an if though, we know he has gone. | |
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| Ash on 06:53 - Aug 2 with 2409 views | globus10 |
I said a year ago to my mates when we were cruising, that our first crisis would be when Ash goes. Imo the heart beat of team/club for last 5/6 years. However showed signs last year of fading football wise. However he is an inspiration to all around him.
That said one of our best servants and deserves one big move.Think top 4 club too late for him but Everton a massive club. |  | | |
| Ash on 07:11 - Aug 2 with 2354 views | jack247 |
| Ash on 23:14 - Aug 1 by Tummer_from_Texas |
I don't think they are asset stripping. I believe they will do everything they can to make the club successful. In the short term, I'm confident they will re-invest the money we are getting for Ash, the Gomis loan, etc.
I wouldn't bet my life on it, but I really think their hearts are in the right place. Not just because I briefly met Levien; but much more importantly, because I don't think they are bad businessmen.
Buying a club like Swansea for the sake of asset stripping makes absolutely no business sense at all. It's completely counter-intuitive, and only sounds like a good way to blow most of their 100 million investment.
But I can't vouch for the liquid resources at their disposal to invest in the club. And the jury is still out on their abilities as negotiators, but I'm very unimpressed so far. Despite what others are saying about his best years being behind him, 10 million could be called a steal in this market for Ash, even at age 32.
People always focus on age as if football players come with expiration dates on their shirts, but some guys last a lot longer than others. Given Ash's history of good health and overall toughness, I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him last another 4 good years at this level.
So I'm very worried after today, and my worries will grow exponentially if we let Ayew go for anything less than 25 million. I REALLY don't want to let him go for any amount, but it's got to be at least 25 million if we have no choice.
I remain defiantly hopeful for now; but I really need to hear a lot of good news before the end of August. It cannot be overstated how crucial the next 30 days are to the future of this club. Levien and Jenkins best be burning the midnight oil and hustling their asses off to re-build this club before the window closes.
And if this goes tits up, it'll only sting me that much more that these guys are Americans. [Post edited 1 Aug 2016 23:29]
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They aren't asset stripping. They are cost cutting to a dangerous degree. I'm sure they have every intention of staying in the PL. What I'm not sure of, is if they realise how big a risk they are taking.
I really wouldn't expect a lot of good news before the end of the month. Maybe a token signing, but I'm pretty confident we will start this season with a weaker squad than the one that finished the last. | | | |
| Ash on 07:31 - Aug 2 with 2292 views | Jackfath |
Everton. Warra minge. |  |
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| Ash on 07:36 - Aug 2 with 2271 views | Clinton |
Good business in terms of age and price. My only worry is that we wil miss the mental strength and discipline exhibited by Ash. I remember him bollocking Ki for wimping out right in front of us last season, there are many other examples. It's an intangible thing, an aura of invincibility, A Jedi like aura that means he gets away with handling the ball and pushing people over.
Anyway we will see how it goes Amat is actually a better player at this time IMHO. I hope he grows into the Ash role, he's got the physical presence I think he can do it. Fingers crossed. It's what makes the game interesting. |  |
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| Ash on 08:01 - Aug 2 with 2184 views | Jango |
| Ash on 07:11 - Aug 2 by jack247 |
They aren't asset stripping. They are cost cutting to a dangerous degree. I'm sure they have every intention of staying in the PL. What I'm not sure of, is if they realise how big a risk they are taking.
I really wouldn't expect a lot of good news before the end of the month. Maybe a token signing, but I'm pretty confident we will start this season with a weaker squad than the one that finished the last. |
Hopefully they are cost cutting enough to fund 2 or 3 big players and are just waiting for the go ahead from their clubs. When we played under Rodgers and Martinez if everyone was fit we played pretty much the same 11 and used the same 3 or 4 subs subs every week. We don't have a lot of games when not in Europe so maybe guidolin feels he'd rather have a much smaller squad with much better players and then give the youth chance if needed. Next few weeks are massive for our future not only this season but on the basis that we'll know exactly how these yanks are gonna treat us | | | |
| Ash on 08:02 - Aug 2 with 2173 views | angryjack |
cant understand you lot who saying its agood price for the club..yes under old ownership because it would have been reinvested but this money is gooing straight in yanks pockets so its not a good price better off keeping him | | | |
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