| Corbyn 19:56 - Jul 12 with 17497 views | exiledclaseboy |
Will be included on the ballot paper for the Labour leadership election. Which probably f*cks up Angela Eagle's entire campaign strategy, not to mention that of anyone else who was planning on throwing their hat into the ring if the hairy trot had been excluded.
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| Corbyn on 07:32 - Jul 16 with 1237 views | nice_to_michu |
| Corbyn on 01:14 - Jul 16 by Brynmill_Jack |
Intervention in Syria. Abstained when the "welfare bill"l was going through. Ist that not enough? |
The Syria vote was a "free vote", and rightly so.
The welfare bil saw under one quarter of the parliamentary Labour Party defied the whip, significant but hardly an overwhelming rebellion is it? And Labour didn't even have an elected leader at the time. |  | | |
| Corbyn on 08:42 - Jul 16 with 1210 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 07:32 - Jul 16 by nice_to_michu |
The Syria vote was a "free vote", and rightly so.
The welfare bil saw under one quarter of the parliamentary Labour Party defied the whip, significant but hardly an overwhelming rebellion is it? And Labour didn't even have an elected leader at the time. |
Those policies are not labour policies. Therefore to assist the passage of these bills to law is completely contrary to labour principles. Perhaps these members of the PLP SHOULD form their own party where they can be properly true to their political leanings and agendas and stop using safe labour seats as a platform to do so. All it takes is for them to have the courage of their convictions. |  |
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| Corbyn on 12:04 - Jul 16 with 1166 views | nice_to_michu |
| Corbyn on 08:42 - Jul 16 by Brynmill_Jack |
Those policies are not labour policies. Therefore to assist the passage of these bills to law is completely contrary to labour principles. Perhaps these members of the PLP SHOULD form their own party where they can be properly true to their political leanings and agendas and stop using safe labour seats as a platform to do so. All it takes is for them to have the courage of their convictions. |
A similar number of MPs are "anti-trident" despite the fact that it is Labour policy to have a nuclear deterrent.
Should those MPs (i.e. Corbyn et al) remove themselves from Labour since that isn't Labour policy? [Post edited 16 Jul 2016 12:05]
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| Corbyn on 12:43 - Jul 16 with 1147 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 12:04 - Jul 16 by nice_to_michu |
A similar number of MPs are "anti-trident" despite the fact that it is Labour policy to have a nuclear deterrent.
Should those MPs (i.e. Corbyn et al) remove themselves from Labour since that isn't Labour policy? [Post edited 16 Jul 2016 12:05]
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Social justice policies and not invading countries to interfere with their internal democracies are far more important to the majority of labour voters than scrapping Trident.
The party can have an internal debate about whether it's better to keep trident as a deterrent or scrap it to save money at any time.
What has always been on the Labour agenda is social justice and the assistance of the worst off and most vulnerable in British society. Those rebels who abstained during the voting through of the welfare bill didn't fulfil their remit as Labour MP's. Hopefully they will eventually be deselected and young, fresh and more traditional candidates in a Labour sense can contest their seats instead. | |
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| Corbyn on 13:46 - Jul 16 with 1129 views | Wingstandwood |
| Corbyn on 12:43 - Jul 16 by Brynmill_Jack |
Social justice policies and not invading countries to interfere with their internal democracies are far more important to the majority of labour voters than scrapping Trident.
The party can have an internal debate about whether it's better to keep trident as a deterrent or scrap it to save money at any time.
What has always been on the Labour agenda is social justice and the assistance of the worst off and most vulnerable in British society. Those rebels who abstained during the voting through of the welfare bill didn't fulfil their remit as Labour MP's. Hopefully they will eventually be deselected and young, fresh and more traditional candidates in a Labour sense can contest their seats instead. |
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| Corbyn on 14:45 - Jul 16 with 1101 views | trampie |
Labour are traitors to the working class and poor, Labour are a right wing Tory party and that includes Corbyn. |  |
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| Corbyn on 14:56 - Jul 16 with 1098 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 14:45 - Jul 16 by trampie |
Labour are traitors to the working class and poor, Labour are a right wing Tory party and that includes Corbyn. |
Than God for the lovely Leanne and her co conspirators UKIP eh | |
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| Corbyn on 15:19 - Jul 16 with 1083 views | trampie |
UKIP and Labour teamed up in Norfolk, Plaid are centre left and support greater powers for Wales, UKIP, Labour, Conservatives and Lib-Dems are right wing, English unionist parties, Plaid represent people living in Wales, not just Welsh people but people living in Wales, quite a few people in UKIP, Labour, Conservatives and Lib-Dems could be said to be little Englanders or Brit Nats. | |
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| Corbyn on 16:33 - Jul 16 with 1066 views | WarwickHunt |
Am I the only one who remembers Michael Foot's "longest suicide note in history" aka The 1983 Labour Manifesto?
And Corbyn doesn't possess a fraction of Foot's intelligence or gravitas... |  | | |
| Corbyn on 16:43 - Jul 16 with 1059 views | monmouth |
| Corbyn on 16:33 - Jul 16 by WarwickHunt |
Am I the only one who remembers Michael Foot's "longest suicide note in history" aka The 1983 Labour Manifesto?
And Corbyn doesn't possess a fraction of Foot's intelligence or gravitas... |
I knocked on doors trying to metaphorically sell it (be kind, I was only 22). For all Foot's inadequacies, Corbyn isn't fit to wipe his arse. When you think of the heavyweights around then, on both sides, and look at the current balloons full of piss it makes your heart sink. |  |
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| Corbyn on 16:50 - Jul 16 with 1048 views | Dr_Winston |
| Corbyn on 16:43 - Jul 16 by monmouth |
I knocked on doors trying to metaphorically sell it (be kind, I was only 22). For all Foot's inadequacies, Corbyn isn't fit to wipe his arse. When you think of the heavyweights around then, on both sides, and look at the current balloons full of piss it makes your heart sink. |
Do you think there should be a minimum age for MP's, with a requirement of at least ten years worth of work experience outside the political arena before you can stand?
Might weed out some of the PPE/Law to researcher to assistant to losing seat to safe seat career path most of them follow these days and get some tidy people with real skills and abilities in there. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Corbyn on 16:52 - Jul 16 with 1041 views | trampie |
| Corbyn on 16:43 - Jul 16 by monmouth |
I knocked on doors trying to metaphorically sell it (be kind, I was only 22). For all Foot's inadequacies, Corbyn isn't fit to wipe his arse. When you think of the heavyweights around then, on both sides, and look at the current balloons full of piss it makes your heart sink. |
Leanne Wood is more old Labour than old Labour, anyone left wing voting Labour in 83' fine, but since then anyone left of centre in Wales should be voting Plaid, particularly now with the lovely Leanne in charge, her left wing credentials are totally above reproach, combined with that Labour are more and more right wing. | |
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| Corbyn on 17:08 - Jul 16 with 1009 views | Wingstandwood |
| Corbyn on 16:52 - Jul 16 by trampie |
Leanne Wood is more old Labour than old Labour, anyone left wing voting Labour in 83' fine, but since then anyone left of centre in Wales should be voting Plaid, particularly now with the lovely Leanne in charge, her left wing credentials are totally above reproach, combined with that Labour are more and more right wing. |
Care to remember Trampie?...... That outgoing Labour minister Liam Byrne whom left a note for his incoming Tory replacement saying there was no money left. That impostor and contemptible excuse for an elected 'Labour' representative of the working class thought it was all a big joke.
Some joke hey......Knowing all to well that upcoming post credit crunch Tory austerity would hit many of societies most vulnerable and poorest.
So I think to myself? Is it any surprise that there is now an outbreak of civil war erupting within the Labour party? The party is fighting for its very soul and future. | |
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| Corbyn on 17:12 - Jul 16 with 1002 views | monmouth |
| Corbyn on 16:50 - Jul 16 by Dr_Winston |
Do you think there should be a minimum age for MP's, with a requirement of at least ten years worth of work experience outside the political arena before you can stand?
Might weed out some of the PPE/Law to researcher to assistant to losing seat to safe seat career path most of them follow these days and get some tidy people with real skills and abilities in there. |
Lovely idea but probably the pay gap might be too big to get anyone any good unless you're going to pay them a lot more (no problem with that if it were just the executive posts, there were less of them, and that expenses nonsense was ditched other than for tax relief like the rest of us). I'd rather see a more representative cross section of real people with different disciplines to be honest. It's still far too heavily weighted towards Oxbridge PPE or economics numpties that think they know it all.
So, in short, I have no idea. What we are currently doing isn't working though. Just look at just about the whole bloody lot of them. An army of arseholes that you would not employ anywhere else if you had any sense. | |
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| Corbyn on 18:13 - Jul 16 with 967 views | nice_to_michu |
| Corbyn on 15:19 - Jul 16 by trampie |
UKIP and Labour teamed up in Norfolk, Plaid are centre left and support greater powers for Wales, UKIP, Labour, Conservatives and Lib-Dems are right wing, English unionist parties, Plaid represent people living in Wales, not just Welsh people but people living in Wales, quite a few people in UKIP, Labour, Conservatives and Lib-Dems could be said to be little Englanders or Brit Nats. |
Yeh that all sounds accurate enough for me.
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| Corbyn on 18:22 - Jul 16 with 956 views | trampie |
| Corbyn on 16:50 - Jul 16 by Dr_Winston |
Do you think there should be a minimum age for MP's, with a requirement of at least ten years worth of work experience outside the political arena before you can stand?
Might weed out some of the PPE/Law to researcher to assistant to losing seat to safe seat career path most of them follow these days and get some tidy people with real skills and abilities in there. |
Leanne Wood has done years of real work in a variety of jobs, a well rounded background might not be a necessity for a top politician but is advantageous no doubt. | |
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| Corbyn on 22:51 - Jul 16 with 908 views | waynekerr55 |
| Corbyn on 16:33 - Jul 16 by WarwickHunt |
Am I the only one who remembers Michael Foot's "longest suicide note in history" aka The 1983 Labour Manifesto?
And Corbyn doesn't possess a fraction of Foot's intelligence or gravitas... |
Is gravitas one of Corbyn's vegetable dinners? |  |
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| Corbyn on 23:09 - Jul 16 with 889 views | jackrabbit |
| Corbyn on 16:33 - Jul 16 by WarwickHunt |
Am I the only one who remembers Michael Foot's "longest suicide note in history" aka The 1983 Labour Manifesto?
And Corbyn doesn't possess a fraction of Foot's intelligence or gravitas... |
No, I remember those days too. Labour was wiped out, and had to wait for Tony Blair to come along and make the party electable again. But at least Michael Foot was left-wing Labour. Corbyn and his pals are Trotskyite ideologues - they don't really care about winning elections. These people know there is no appetite in Britain for extreme left-wing government, so they're not that bothered. They get their kicks in other ways - they're a sort of student Socialist Society, but for grown-ups.
What is sad is that a completely new generation is having to learn the same lessons and suffer the same disappointments all over again. If you want to live in a Corbynite Utopia, you're in the wrong country - try Venezuela. British voters are solidly middle-of-the-road and always will be. |  | | |
| Corbyn on 06:30 - Jul 17 with 837 views | Dr_Winston |
| Corbyn on 18:22 - Jul 16 by trampie |
Leanne Wood has done years of real work in a variety of jobs, a well rounded background might not be a necessity for a top politician but is advantageous no doubt. |
I meant for proper politicians. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Corbyn on 10:50 - Jul 17 with 788 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 23:09 - Jul 16 by jackrabbit |
No, I remember those days too. Labour was wiped out, and had to wait for Tony Blair to come along and make the party electable again. But at least Michael Foot was left-wing Labour. Corbyn and his pals are Trotskyite ideologues - they don't really care about winning elections. These people know there is no appetite in Britain for extreme left-wing government, so they're not that bothered. They get their kicks in other ways - they're a sort of student Socialist Society, but for grown-ups.
What is sad is that a completely new generation is having to learn the same lessons and suffer the same disappointments all over again. If you want to live in a Corbynite Utopia, you're in the wrong country - try Venezuela. British voters are solidly middle-of-the-road and always will be. |
As opposed to the utopia we're living in now? I say turn left and keep f*cking going. | |
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| Corbyn on 11:09 - Jul 17 with 774 views | Brynmill_Jack |
Another London centrist hack . Get up north and count all the middle class labour voters up there. As brexit clearly demonstrated, London is completely cut off from the labour heartlands. | |
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| Corbyn on 11:12 - Jul 17 with 772 views | Dr_Winston |
| Corbyn on 11:09 - Jul 17 by Brynmill_Jack |
Another London centrist hack . Get up north and count all the middle class labour voters up there. As brexit clearly demonstrated, London is completely cut off from the labour heartlands. |
All the Labour voters up North have switched to UKIP. | |
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| Corbyn on 11:16 - Jul 17 with 765 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Corbyn on 11:12 - Jul 17 by Dr_Winston |
All the Labour voters up North have switched to UKIP. |
Which is now largely irrelevant, seeing they got what they were created for. Corbyn will win those voters back , they've flirted with the right but deep down they hold traditional labour values. | |
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| Corbyn on 11:18 - Jul 17 with 764 views | Dr_Winston |
| Corbyn on 11:16 - Jul 17 by Brynmill_Jack |
Which is now largely irrelevant, seeing they got what they were created for. Corbyn will win those voters back , they've flirted with the right but deep down they hold traditional labour values. |
He might win some of those voters back. Not all. Meanwhile the floating voters he needs to win an election won't touch him with a bargepole.
Corbyn is the greatest electoral asset the Tories have. | |
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