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The odds on staying are 1-5 and 4-1 to leave having previously been just over 2-1. Gonna be interesting get to see what happens to the conservatives after the result when Cameron wins without the backing of his party.
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 09:42 - May 29 with 66727 views
I live in Ireland, for a company with sites in Czechia, Portugal, Poland, UK and obviously Ireland - already voted (via post) to stay in, of course. A British exit would be absolute chaos.
Yes. That IS Sako.
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 10:00 - May 29 with 66695 views
A rough summation of the EU referendum debate by our mighty leaders.
BREXIT: If you vote to remain, 600 million immigrants will swamp Old Blighty, most from Turkey who aren't in the EU and have less chance of entry in the near future than Donald Trump and Sarah Palin have of producing a child smarter than a field mouse that's been run over by a steam road-roller.
REMAIN: If you vote to leave, our economy (currently thriving under its £1.5 Trillion debt) will become marginally less than the output of an Italian goatherd who has just witnessed his last goat tumbling into the crater of Stromboli.
Will say that the lies , exaggerated statements and mistruths of both sides , especially by, Cameron, Osborne, Johnson and Fox etc have been awful. It has turned into a referendum into the future of the Tory party in many ways.
There can be NO accurate forecast of what will happen to the economy whether we stay or not, or to migration in or out of the country. The big companies will still want immigrant labour, as will the NHS. What has to happen is much more of the massive net income from immigration as to be used for public housing, school, health services etc and other infrastructure. However, and I say this as a Green, we can NOT have forever uncontrolled immigration, as there will be a time when you have too stop the expansion of the the towns and cities of our country.
However there have and will continue to be beneficial things to remain in, like workers rights, environmental safeguards etc. For example all of the beaches in the UK now are safe to use nowadays. That's due to strict rules brought in by Europe that before National governments including our own refused to or couldn't bring in. Environmental rules and rules to bring in measures against big companies tat operate across many countries are more effective when brought in by a wider group of governments, or by a bigger group, like by the EU.
Te EU has to be changed, it as to be made more democratic, the elected parliament had to become the government of the EU. We need democratic change in this country, with an elected second chamber and elected head of state, however that is another debate that one day hopefully we will be allowed as a population to have.
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 09:42 - May 29 by MBoothman
I live in Ireland, for a company with sites in Czechia, Portugal, Poland, UK and obviously Ireland - already voted (via post) to stay in, of course. A British exit would be absolute chaos.
Why? And how much chaos will there be when the Euro banks start to go bust?
"US wage growth will probably force the Federal Reserve to raise interest rates and wild speculation will certainly force China to rein in its latest credit boom. Italy will enter the next downturn - perhaps early next year - with every macro-economic indicator in worse shape than in 2008, and half the country already near political revolt." Telegraph May 11
In Spain, Banco Popular’s shares plunged 23% when they started trading on Thursday morning in Madrid, sending the lender’s market capitalization down to €4.1 billion. A 2Billion Euro share offer is planned.
On Monday Deutsche Bank was downgraded by Moody's to "2 points above junk" DB is sitting on 20 times the German GDP in interest rate derivatives (57 Trillion Euros) and is now on an exact matching curve as Lehmans in 2007 which nearly collapsed all the world's banks. The only difference being that DB is several times bigger than Lehmans. Someone said DB is "too big to fail" the truth is it's also too big to bail out with the derivatives alone worth more that the GDP of the entire world
Still feel that the EU is a safe option? Still want to be inside when the Euro-house burns down?
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 14:04 - May 29 with 66467 views
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 09:26 - May 29 by ColDale
The odds on staying are 1-5 and 4-1 to leave having previously been just over 2-1. Gonna be interesting get to see what happens to the conservatives after the result when Cameron wins without the backing of his party.
Conservatives and Labour will both be washed up whichever way the vote goes. Conservatives for lying to the electorate Labour for inactivity on behalf of the working class.
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 14:27 - May 29 with 66425 views
How can you trust Cameron on anything he says after failing on his election promise to get immigration down to the tens of thousands. The EU point-blank refused his demand that any EU national wishing to reside in the UK must first have a job and somewhere to live. If that's a sign of Britain's "clout" in Europe, get me out as quickly as possible. Let's make our own rules for the good of this country. I know it is not all about immigration but it is hugely significant. The talk of immigrants paying more tax into the economy simply bolsters the need for more to come in so that the ever increasing demand on our services can be financed. It's a vicious circle that needs stopping. Our economy will not collapse as a result. Why should it? Our financiers are some of the best in the world. They will soon have it sorted (if, indeed, it needs it). Vote leave. This could really be our last chance to do things for ourselves. If we stay in, the EU will shackle us so tightly we will be forever screwed and our wealth will be used to bolster ailing economies for evermore.
The worm of time turns not for the cuckoo of circumstance.
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 11:12 - May 29 by 1mark1
Will say that the lies , exaggerated statements and mistruths of both sides , especially by, Cameron, Osborne, Johnson and Fox etc have been awful. It has turned into a referendum into the future of the Tory party in many ways.
There can be NO accurate forecast of what will happen to the economy whether we stay or not, or to migration in or out of the country. The big companies will still want immigrant labour, as will the NHS. What has to happen is much more of the massive net income from immigration as to be used for public housing, school, health services etc and other infrastructure. However, and I say this as a Green, we can NOT have forever uncontrolled immigration, as there will be a time when you have too stop the expansion of the the towns and cities of our country.
However there have and will continue to be beneficial things to remain in, like workers rights, environmental safeguards etc. For example all of the beaches in the UK now are safe to use nowadays. That's due to strict rules brought in by Europe that before National governments including our own refused to or couldn't bring in. Environmental rules and rules to bring in measures against big companies tat operate across many countries are more effective when brought in by a wider group of governments, or by a bigger group, like by the EU.
Te EU has to be changed, it as to be made more democratic, the elected parliament had to become the government of the EU. We need democratic change in this country, with an elected second chamber and elected head of state, however that is another debate that one day hopefully we will be allowed as a population to have.
So I am a vote remain.
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Can you suggest a single occasion when any serious reform has taken place inside the EU? The project is well under way, National Governments have been emasculated, the final throws of tax harmonisation are about to be enacted leading to EU taxes being imposed. The Germans intend to form an EU Army ostensibly for "defence" but more likely for keeping EU dissension in line. And by 2050 there will be a Muslim majority in the UK. We will become the forgotten offshore islands, our influence , already diminished will be virtually zero, and we will have been completely asset-stripped.
The UK has been systematically milked by the EU and its UK collaborators for over 40 years. What do we have to show for it? A third world transport system, a worn out NHS, a hugely enlarged benefits culture, a broken education system, millions of our brightest kids saddled with huge debts, the 5th largest economy and the 17th best pensions, thousands of ex-servicemen sleeping rough every night. The re-awakening of diseases like Rickets and Tuberculosis that we had eradicated in the 1960s, No fishing fleet, billions of pounds of our own money (subsidies) paid to landowners (Camerons Father-in-law), not farmers. Huge "green taxes" are crippling our manufacturing industries whilst Germany builds gas powered generating stations to replace its nuclear power plants (thus putting it firmly at the behest of the Russians - You know the ones we need an EU army to "defend" against). I don't hear the Greens having much to say about that.
And now the EU members are threatening to make things worse if we leave! Why would anyone want to remain a member of this mendacious, Janus-faced, anti-democratic organisation that only wants our money and treasure and has no interest in our culture, history or wellbeing and actually prefers to be under the German heel once again rather than be grateful to us for a third time. in 100 years.
If you don't vote out now, there will never be another opportunity as an in-out referendum will in future require a 19/27 majority of member countries to be accepted. We have been done up like a kipper and Labour and Conservatives are equally culpable. A plague on both their houses, Vote early, vote OUT.
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 15:05 - May 29 with 66368 views
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 14:45 - May 29 by 49thseason
Can you suggest a single occasion when any serious reform has taken place inside the EU? The project is well under way, National Governments have been emasculated, the final throws of tax harmonisation are about to be enacted leading to EU taxes being imposed. The Germans intend to form an EU Army ostensibly for "defence" but more likely for keeping EU dissension in line. And by 2050 there will be a Muslim majority in the UK. We will become the forgotten offshore islands, our influence , already diminished will be virtually zero, and we will have been completely asset-stripped.
The UK has been systematically milked by the EU and its UK collaborators for over 40 years. What do we have to show for it? A third world transport system, a worn out NHS, a hugely enlarged benefits culture, a broken education system, millions of our brightest kids saddled with huge debts, the 5th largest economy and the 17th best pensions, thousands of ex-servicemen sleeping rough every night. The re-awakening of diseases like Rickets and Tuberculosis that we had eradicated in the 1960s, No fishing fleet, billions of pounds of our own money (subsidies) paid to landowners (Camerons Father-in-law), not farmers. Huge "green taxes" are crippling our manufacturing industries whilst Germany builds gas powered generating stations to replace its nuclear power plants (thus putting it firmly at the behest of the Russians - You know the ones we need an EU army to "defend" against). I don't hear the Greens having much to say about that.
And now the EU members are threatening to make things worse if we leave! Why would anyone want to remain a member of this mendacious, Janus-faced, anti-democratic organisation that only wants our money and treasure and has no interest in our culture, history or wellbeing and actually prefers to be under the German heel once again rather than be grateful to us for a third time. in 100 years.
If you don't vote out now, there will never be another opportunity as an in-out referendum will in future require a 19/27 majority of member countries to be accepted. We have been done up like a kipper and Labour and Conservatives are equally culpable. A plague on both their houses, Vote early, vote OUT.
I wasn't going to vote, but..... After reading that..... I'm going to vote IN. Just to annoy you even more. Not sure how voting early makes any difference though.
Who are YOU with?
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 15:26 - May 29 with 66347 views
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 14:04 - May 29 by 49thseason
Conservatives and Labour will both be washed up whichever way the vote goes. Conservatives for lying to the electorate Labour for inactivity on behalf of the working class.
Labour caused the current immigration crisis by deliberately allowing unfettered movement of immigrants into the country in the belief that it would strengthen their own position in the polls. Jack Straw has since described it as a 'disastrous policy' which failed. We are now reaping the effects of that policy and the genie won't go back in the bottle.
Cameron should have known that the policy he proposed (to reduce immigration) was unworkable, because we are bound by the rules of the EU.
In all honesty, the immigration issue, whilst being a 'political hot potato' is less important than many other issues which will be affected by the consequences of voting out.
Sadly, the major issues are being kicked into the long grass whilst politicians squabble over their own agendas. Nowt changes.
“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooledâ€
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 16:24 - May 29 with 66283 views
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 15:26 - May 29 by SuddenLad
Labour caused the current immigration crisis by deliberately allowing unfettered movement of immigrants into the country in the belief that it would strengthen their own position in the polls. Jack Straw has since described it as a 'disastrous policy' which failed. We are now reaping the effects of that policy and the genie won't go back in the bottle.
Cameron should have known that the policy he proposed (to reduce immigration) was unworkable, because we are bound by the rules of the EU.
In all honesty, the immigration issue, whilst being a 'political hot potato' is less important than many other issues which will be affected by the consequences of voting out.
Sadly, the major issues are being kicked into the long grass whilst politicians squabble over their own agendas. Nowt changes.
Could you please explain 'immigration crisis'. I don't understand the term or know what makes it a 'crisis'. What are we 'reaping'?
Who are YOU with?
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 16:33 - May 29 with 66274 views
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 15:26 - May 29 by SuddenLad
Labour caused the current immigration crisis by deliberately allowing unfettered movement of immigrants into the country in the belief that it would strengthen their own position in the polls. Jack Straw has since described it as a 'disastrous policy' which failed. We are now reaping the effects of that policy and the genie won't go back in the bottle.
Cameron should have known that the policy he proposed (to reduce immigration) was unworkable, because we are bound by the rules of the EU.
In all honesty, the immigration issue, whilst being a 'political hot potato' is less important than many other issues which will be affected by the consequences of voting out.
Sadly, the major issues are being kicked into the long grass whilst politicians squabble over their own agendas. Nowt changes.
How does any political party benefit from increase in immigrants, when they can't vote, in General elections? Most of our immigration is from non European Union countries , and like I said before, the capitalists will still demand immigration to fill their job vacancies, whether we are in or out of EU.
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 14:45 - May 29 by 49thseason
Can you suggest a single occasion when any serious reform has taken place inside the EU? The project is well under way, National Governments have been emasculated, the final throws of tax harmonisation are about to be enacted leading to EU taxes being imposed. The Germans intend to form an EU Army ostensibly for "defence" but more likely for keeping EU dissension in line. And by 2050 there will be a Muslim majority in the UK. We will become the forgotten offshore islands, our influence , already diminished will be virtually zero, and we will have been completely asset-stripped.
The UK has been systematically milked by the EU and its UK collaborators for over 40 years. What do we have to show for it? A third world transport system, a worn out NHS, a hugely enlarged benefits culture, a broken education system, millions of our brightest kids saddled with huge debts, the 5th largest economy and the 17th best pensions, thousands of ex-servicemen sleeping rough every night. The re-awakening of diseases like Rickets and Tuberculosis that we had eradicated in the 1960s, No fishing fleet, billions of pounds of our own money (subsidies) paid to landowners (Camerons Father-in-law), not farmers. Huge "green taxes" are crippling our manufacturing industries whilst Germany builds gas powered generating stations to replace its nuclear power plants (thus putting it firmly at the behest of the Russians - You know the ones we need an EU army to "defend" against). I don't hear the Greens having much to say about that.
And now the EU members are threatening to make things worse if we leave! Why would anyone want to remain a member of this mendacious, Janus-faced, anti-democratic organisation that only wants our money and treasure and has no interest in our culture, history or wellbeing and actually prefers to be under the German heel once again rather than be grateful to us for a third time. in 100 years.
If you don't vote out now, there will never be another opportunity as an in-out referendum will in future require a 19/27 majority of member countries to be accepted. We have been done up like a kipper and Labour and Conservatives are equally culpable. A plague on both their houses, Vote early, vote OUT.
"Islam is the second largest religion with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as ~2,706,066, ~4.5% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).
HOw on earth will Muslims be the majority in the UK by 2050? Also not true re EU army, it will not happen.
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 15:08 - May 29 by Porlicks
I wasn't going to vote, but..... After reading that..... I'm going to vote IN. Just to annoy you even more. Not sure how voting early makes any difference though.
That's OK - just don't start complaining when the SHTF and we are the only solvent country left inside Merkle's nightmare with no means to get out.
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 16:52 - May 29 with 66235 views
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 16:24 - May 29 by Porlicks
Could you please explain 'immigration crisis'. I don't understand the term or know what makes it a 'crisis'. What are we 'reaping'?
I think he is referring to the thousands of Africans and Arabs trying to get into the EU again this year and the fact that there are an estimated 700 drowned already trying to get from Libya to the EU . If you don't call that a crisis what is? 18 Albanians were picked up in the channel earlier on their way to the UK preparing to join who knows how many illegal UK entrants. I think what we will reap is probably explained by the current threat level being described by MI5 as "severe" https://www.mi5.gov.uk/threat-levels or in other words, a terrorist act in the UK is "probable"
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 17:10 - May 29 with 66203 views
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 16:24 - May 29 by Porlicks
Could you please explain 'immigration crisis'. I don't understand the term or know what makes it a 'crisis'. What are we 'reaping'?
The 'crisis' relates to the fact that as a country, we have no legal means of limiting or preventing those who choose to come here via the EU route. Free movement and all that.
There are an estimated (but generally agreed) 300,000 people in the UK who have simply 'disappeared' from official records. They all need accommodation and income of some kind or another, they will at some time need the services provided by councils and NHS. Better to have proper control, take more time to vet the applicants and not to create ghettos by concentrating them in one place.
We are 'reaping' the effects of allowing too many people to arrive in too short a space of time, when there were/are insufficient homes for them to occupy, too few school places for their children and too many new arrivals being concentrated in small geographical areas.
That inevitably alters the dynamics and puts added pressure on local services. Add to that, the cutbacks from central government and we have a crisis. The majority of people arriving have been located in areas that are already struggling to cope, where services are already at breaking point. A more even distribution, nationwide, would have been more sensible and fairer..
If we are to allow immigration (which we should) it needs to be done in a way that allows proper checks, tighter controls and greater scrutiny of those who apply to come. Once they are admitted, we should make it clear that if there is any breach of their residency conditions their right to stay will be rescinded and in the event of them committing serious crime, they will be returned from whence they came.
We should never become a haven for criminals. Deportation should be automatic after serving a prison sentence of over 5 years.
We need to regain control of our own borders and be allowed to make our own decisions affecting us as a nation.
That said, I still maintain that there are other more important issues at stake which will affect us more than the question of immigration.
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“It is easier to fool people, than to convince them that they have been fooledâ€
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 17:12 - May 29 with 66203 views
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 16:38 - May 29 by 1mark1
"Islam is the second largest religion with results from the United Kingdom Census 2011 giving the UK Muslim population in 2011 as ~2,706,066, ~4.5% of the total population. The vast majority of Muslims in the United Kingdom live in England: 2,660,116 (5.02% of the population).
HOw on earth will Muslims be the majority in the UK by 2050? Also not true re EU army, it will not happen.
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 17:02 - May 29 by 49thseason
I think he is referring to the thousands of Africans and Arabs trying to get into the EU again this year and the fact that there are an estimated 700 drowned already trying to get from Libya to the EU . If you don't call that a crisis what is? 18 Albanians were picked up in the channel earlier on their way to the UK preparing to join who knows how many illegal UK entrants. I think what we will reap is probably explained by the current threat level being described by MI5 as "severe" https://www.mi5.gov.uk/threat-levels or in other words, a terrorist act in the UK is "probable"
If there was no EU where would they be trying to get into? Oh, the countries that now make up the EU. I'm sure they worry about that.
We've got a pretty poor society if 18 Albanians can bring it down.
I've got confidence in British people. You think we're idiots.
Who are YOU with?
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 17:25 - May 29 with 66171 views
You also need to factor in the reducing birthrate of the indigenous white population
Have you been into any local schools lately?
None of that equates to a EU army, just cooperation between member states, which is a good thing, especially in view of external threats of terrorism etc.
As far as Muslim numbers, would love to know how they come up with those figures for Muslim number predictions. Just trying to frighten gullible people. Even if correct, would not mean Muslims would be the majority of population. Also being out of EU would have no effect on such numbers of non EU immigration.
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 17:19 - May 29 by Porlicks
If there was no EU where would they be trying to get into? Oh, the countries that now make up the EU. I'm sure they worry about that.
We've got a pretty poor society if 18 Albanians can bring it down.
I've got confidence in British people. You think we're idiots.
Actually i think that the people who support the idiots running the country are idiots. I also think that the idiots who support the official opposion in its support for the idiots running the country are idiots too. People who think its ok to let in "a few" illlegals are idiots if they dont recognise that letting a few in just encourages more to try to get in and maybe die in the attempt. Please note that illegal immigrants are no longer a problem in Australia because the Aussies made it perfectly clear that illegals would not be helped into Australia and any that did arrive would be sent back whence they came.
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 17:51 - May 29 with 66103 views
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 17:32 - May 29 by 49thseason
Actually i think that the people who support the idiots running the country are idiots. I also think that the idiots who support the official opposion in its support for the idiots running the country are idiots too. People who think its ok to let in "a few" illlegals are idiots if they dont recognise that letting a few in just encourages more to try to get in and maybe die in the attempt. Please note that illegal immigrants are no longer a problem in Australia because the Aussies made it perfectly clear that illegals would not be helped into Australia and any that did arrive would be sent back whence they came.
There's no problems with immigrants in Australia. Perhaps because the whites are the immigrants..
I won't note anything. Any Australian would tell you that they have problems with the aborigines rather than the Samoans and Islanders. Bet they regret letting in a few immigrants.
Who are YOU with?
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Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 17:58 - May 29 with 66092 views
Brexit or not. How will you vote? on 17:51 - May 29 by Porlicks
There's no problems with immigrants in Australia. Perhaps because the whites are the immigrants..
I won't note anything. Any Australian would tell you that they have problems with the aborigines rather than the Samoans and Islanders. Bet they regret letting in a few immigrants.
And here is why there is no problem with illegal immigration by boat now in Australia. Enjoy!
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