| Jeremy Corbyn 12:42 - Jul 24 with 117261 views | CountyJim |
I'm going to vote for him was going to go with Burnham but the amount of crap he's put up with and with dignity
He's a man of principal don't share his views on the monarch but we all have different points of view
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:38 - Jul 27 with 2256 views | PozuelosSideys |
60% of families are on some sort of benefits? Why? Having children is a lifestyle choice - if you want them, you pay for them.
Tell you what though, a single bloke in a decent job with no kids and having no mortage and no debts (rental) continually gets slammed and is eligible for NOTHING. Why should i be paying for everyone else choices? |  |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:45 - Jul 27 with 2245 views | dailew |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:38 - Jul 27 by PozuelosSideys |
60% of families are on some sort of benefits? Why? Having children is a lifestyle choice - if you want them, you pay for them.
Tell you what though, a single bloke in a decent job with no kids and having no mortage and no debts (rental) continually gets slammed and is eligible for NOTHING. Why should i be paying for everyone else choices? |
And your wages will be lower because you'll be competing against someone who can work for less because of the generous tax credits.
The whole benefits system is a mess. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:55 - Jul 27 with 2220 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:13 - Jul 27 by dailew |
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/apr/06/welfare-britain-facts-myths
"The welfare state is a big part of British family life, with 20.3 million families receiving some kind of benefit (64% of all families), about 8.7 million of them pensioners. For 9.6 million families, benefits make up more than half of their income (30% of all families), around 5.3 million of them pensioners. The number of families receiving benefits will be between 1 and 2 million fewer now because of changes to child tax credits that mean some working families who previously got a small amount now get nothing."
Say it's down to 60% now - that leaves 40% not receiving benefits.
By definition the top 10% are not in the "middle".
This leaves a middle not on benefits of 30%. Half the number on benefits.
"And the 'possess deeds to their home' is an absolute irrelevance"
Is that some kind of a joke,
"People own their homes via a mortgage which will be paid off after 25 years - it was always thus. "
Oh yeah? How many wil default. How many have IO mortgages, I never considered I owned my house till I got the deeds in my hand. [Post edited 27 Jul 2015 18:23]
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oh for God's sake. You are yet again including the child related benefits. This time you're also including everyone who gets a state pension (which is everyone as it is not means tested).
Look - if you want to perpetuate the myth that most people in this country are downtrodden and reliant on the state then go ahead. The numbers even that you present show differently.
It's those sort of bullcrap statistics that don't help any single argument about politics in this country. It's the reason that Labour didn't get elected as they keep doing what you've just done and ignore the reality that most people are in the middle and are working hard to provide for themselves and their families, while having aspiration to improve their lot. It also distorts the reality of those that genuinely require help and are struggling.
As for the mortgage bit - the rate of repossessions is incredibly low - largely due to the tight control on interest rates throughout this last recession.
I look forward to receiving a bunch of benefits though as a result of having a mortgage - about time I was considered downtrodden as to be frank, I'm sick to the back teeth of being considered rich and told that I should pay more. |  | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:57 - Jul 27 with 2212 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:45 - Jul 27 by dailew |
And your wages will be lower because you'll be competing against someone who can work for less because of the generous tax credits.
The whole benefits system is a mess. |
Ah yes. The great system whereby you get taxed, and then we employ people and expensive it systems to give the money back.
No wonder we're f*cked with such fiscal prudence |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:58 - Jul 27 with 2211 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:45 - Jul 27 by dailew |
And your wages will be lower because you'll be competing against someone who can work for less because of the generous tax credits.
The whole benefits system is a mess. |
Well no. Im salaried and what i do is quite niche. I dont compete against those able to work for less. This is the point - many people are skilled enough to just want to be left alone to try and scratch out a decent life for themselves.
My point was that im continually paying for other peoples lifestyle choices and am very much part of the 'squeezed middle'. Under somebody like Corbyn i can wave goodbye to any hope of retaining my earning ability. I would get absolutely crucified for even thinking about being moderately successful.
If the Tories did away with the stupid fox hunting malarky and socialising liabilities whilst privatising profits, id have very little to moan at them about. Theyre trying to simplify the benefits system - under Corbyn its just free money for everyone else paid for by the middle. | |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:59 - Jul 27 with 2210 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:57 - Jul 27 by waynekerr55 |
Ah yes. The great system whereby you get taxed, and then we employ people and expensive it systems to give the money back.
No wonder we're f*cked with such fiscal prudence |
Someone has to administer the clusterf*ck. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:02 - Jul 27 with 2204 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:59 - Jul 27 by exiledclaseboy |
Someone has to administer the clusterf*ck. |
Simplified tax codes and doing away with top ups maybe? At least the money theoretically re enters the economy, via those with children or not | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:08 - Jul 27 with 2187 views | dailew |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:55 - Jul 27 by londonlisa2001 |
oh for God's sake. You are yet again including the child related benefits. This time you're also including everyone who gets a state pension (which is everyone as it is not means tested).
Look - if you want to perpetuate the myth that most people in this country are downtrodden and reliant on the state then go ahead. The numbers even that you present show differently.
It's those sort of bullcrap statistics that don't help any single argument about politics in this country. It's the reason that Labour didn't get elected as they keep doing what you've just done and ignore the reality that most people are in the middle and are working hard to provide for themselves and their families, while having aspiration to improve their lot. It also distorts the reality of those that genuinely require help and are struggling.
As for the mortgage bit - the rate of repossessions is incredibly low - largely due to the tight control on interest rates throughout this last recession.
I look forward to receiving a bunch of benefits though as a result of having a mortgage - about time I was considered downtrodden as to be frank, I'm sick to the back teeth of being considered rich and told that I should pay more. |
Why don't child related benefits count? | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:21 - Jul 27 with 2164 views | perchrockjack |
Encouraging signs this site is not totally allied to the dogma of investing and Tass.
Poor? A term guaranteed to demean or pigeon hole.
Nobody needs to go hungry . Shocking i know.
Kids in third world country do go hungry mainly because of infra structure.
This govt have yet to target people who work, create and save their wealth ,,lowering benefits isn't enough as the whole culture has to change.
Have kids if you can afford and don't expect folk all from the state.
Respect pensioners and scrap the limit for care home fees .
Encourage kids to learn and be self sufficient
And let's get this country working as one | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:38 - Jul 27 with 2140 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:21 - Jul 27 by perchrockjack |
Encouraging signs this site is not totally allied to the dogma of investing and Tass.
Poor? A term guaranteed to demean or pigeon hole.
Nobody needs to go hungry . Shocking i know.
Kids in third world country do go hungry mainly because of infra structure.
This govt have yet to target people who work, create and save their wealth ,,lowering benefits isn't enough as the whole culture has to change.
Have kids if you can afford and don't expect folk all from the state.
Respect pensioners and scrap the limit for care home fees .
Encourage kids to learn and be self sufficient
And let's get this country working as one |
Scrap the university fees
Scrap them now |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:47 - Jul 27 with 2126 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 18:55 - Jul 27 by londonlisa2001 |
oh for God's sake. You are yet again including the child related benefits. This time you're also including everyone who gets a state pension (which is everyone as it is not means tested).
Look - if you want to perpetuate the myth that most people in this country are downtrodden and reliant on the state then go ahead. The numbers even that you present show differently.
It's those sort of bullcrap statistics that don't help any single argument about politics in this country. It's the reason that Labour didn't get elected as they keep doing what you've just done and ignore the reality that most people are in the middle and are working hard to provide for themselves and their families, while having aspiration to improve their lot. It also distorts the reality of those that genuinely require help and are struggling.
As for the mortgage bit - the rate of repossessions is incredibly low - largely due to the tight control on interest rates throughout this last recession.
I look forward to receiving a bunch of benefits though as a result of having a mortgage - about time I was considered downtrodden as to be frank, I'm sick to the back teeth of being considered rich and told that I should pay more. |
I think it's fair to point out that the vast majority of benefits/welfare spending goes to either pensioners or to top up the income of those in work. In fact it bears repeating at every opportunity because it counters the received wisdom that all us taxpayers are paying purely to keep the "idle and feckless" in the manner to which they've apparently become accustomed. Which simply isn't true no matter how much Osborne, IDS and the Dailys Mail and Express plus various low rent TV "documentaries" like to continue to pretend it is. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:48 - Jul 27 with 2070 views | longlostjack |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:47 - Jul 27 by exiledclaseboy |
I think it's fair to point out that the vast majority of benefits/welfare spending goes to either pensioners or to top up the income of those in work. In fact it bears repeating at every opportunity because it counters the received wisdom that all us taxpayers are paying purely to keep the "idle and feckless" in the manner to which they've apparently become accustomed. Which simply isn't true no matter how much Osborne, IDS and the Dailys Mail and Express plus various low rent TV "documentaries" like to continue to pretend it is. |
A little bit more focus on the aggressive tax avoidance schemes of the Amazons, Starbucks and Googles of the world wouldn't go amiss either. Good Government should be about ensuring fair competition not just picking on easy targets. |  |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 21:22 - Jul 27 with 2043 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 11:17 - Jul 27 by perchrockjack |
I was only 1 at that time and never heard that before. Was it a Tory plot? 51 election was called after Labours tiny majority in 1950, so my point stands. Was the 55 election also faulty in the 55 election because the conservatives increased their majority.
The 59 election saw an even greater majority for tories , this after more than a decade of NHS and nationalisation, the great tenets of LABOUR PARTY.
Look at the electoral map of GB at that time and the vast majority of this country rejected both socialism and LABOUR and that is fact.
Its also the case the old industrial heartlands of south (not north) Wales, Lancashire,urban Yorkshire ,N/E , voted then as they do now , whereas many tory heartlands ,like Wirral, voted Labour/Liberal.
Intersting stuff but the sun is out now so I WISH YOU A GOOD DAY |
Atlee's Labour got well over a million more votes in 1951 than Churchill's Tories. In percentage terms Labour got nearly 49% to the Tories just over 44%. Yet the Tories got 30 or so more seats and a majority in the Commons. Mental.
Same thing happened in reverse in 1974, Tories got a couple of hundred thousand more votes than Labour but Labour had four more seats. At least they had the decency to have a second election that year, which Labour win more convincingly. Churchill (and later Eden) muddled on four years after the 1951 farce despite having no kind of democratic mandate at all. The cads.
All elections under our electoral system are irrevocably and irretrievably flawed. [Post edited 27 Jul 2015 21:45]
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:19 - Jul 27 with 1994 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 20:48 - Jul 27 by longlostjack |
A little bit more focus on the aggressive tax avoidance schemes of the Amazons, Starbucks and Googles of the world wouldn't go amiss either. Good Government should be about ensuring fair competition not just picking on easy targets. |
Agree with the principle of this, but implementation is nigh on impossible without global cooperation on the matter, otherwise firms will up sticks and go elsewhere to do business | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:40 - Jul 27 with 1985 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:19 - Jul 27 by waynekerr55 |
Agree with the principle of this, but implementation is nigh on impossible without global cooperation on the matter, otherwise firms will up sticks and go elsewhere to do business |
You reckon a firm will just up sticks and stop selling their products in the UK because they have to start paying a respectable amount of tax on their profits?
More likely they will just up their prices to recoup the loss. | |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:46 - Jul 27 with 1973 views | blueytheblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:40 - Jul 27 by PozuelosSideys |
You reckon a firm will just up sticks and stop selling their products in the UK because they have to start paying a respectable amount of tax on their profits?
More likely they will just up their prices to recoup the loss. |
Stop selling products, no.
Move headquarters out of Britain, yes. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:48 - Jul 27 with 1969 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:46 - Jul 27 by blueytheblue |
Stop selling products, no.
Move headquarters out of Britain, yes. |
You actually believe them when they say that? What is stopping them doing that now? | |
| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:50 - Jul 27 with 1967 views | blueytheblue |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:48 - Jul 27 by PozuelosSideys |
You actually believe them when they say that? What is stopping them doing that now? |
The tax system as it is, obviously.
Whilst they get a benefit being here over being located in other countries, then they remain here. | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:58 - Jul 27 with 1960 views | PozuelosSideys |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:50 - Jul 27 by blueytheblue |
The tax system as it is, obviously.
Whilst they get a benefit being here over being located in other countries, then they remain here. |
Aye, but the likes of Hong Kong, Singapore, the US, even Ireland have more favourable tax rates than the UK.
There are other reasons they are here. Labour markets with required skillsets. Minimal trade union interference, English language and easy route into the EU trade area. Plus not forgetting our givernments willingness to bend over backwards.
This whole "we're leaving" is a bit of bluster to me. Reminds me of a 3 yr old child having a temper tantrum when it doesnt get its own way.
Edit: a bigger issue will be the continued over-regulation over everything that moves. It used to be red-tape.. now its regulation.. waaaay over the top.. primairly out of Europe too. The irony is, the UK are usually the only ones it applies to. The Europeans seem to have local laws which take precedent. [Post edited 27 Jul 2015 23:01]
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| "Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper." | | Poll: | Hattricks |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 23:04 - Jul 27 with 1952 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:47 - Jul 27 by exiledclaseboy |
I think it's fair to point out that the vast majority of benefits/welfare spending goes to either pensioners or to top up the income of those in work. In fact it bears repeating at every opportunity because it counters the received wisdom that all us taxpayers are paying purely to keep the "idle and feckless" in the manner to which they've apparently become accustomed. Which simply isn't true no matter how much Osborne, IDS and the Dailys Mail and Express plus various low rent TV "documentaries" like to continue to pretend it is. |
I couldn't agree more, hence my insistence on separating out those receiving any type of benefit (including the child related benefit which are in place purely to help those back to work who would otherwise be put off by childcare costs).
Most of those that Dailew has referenced are very much part of the squeezed middle who own their own homes and so on.
The whole concept of needing to top up those in work is reprehensible. Why on earth the big corporations should be allowed to continue paying anyone an amount lower than the living wage is a disgrace. | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 23:07 - Jul 27 with 1950 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 19:38 - Jul 27 by oh_tommy_tommy |
Scrap the university fees
Scrap them now |
Only if we also scrap the arbitrary notion that 50% of the population should go to university. Are there 50% of all jobs that require a university education? | | | |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 23:10 - Jul 27 with 1947 views | longlostjack |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 22:50 - Jul 27 by blueytheblue |
The tax system as it is, obviously.
Whilst they get a benefit being here over being located in other countries, then they remain here. |
So Starbucks,for example, would up sticks and close all their coffee shops if they had to pay the same rate of tax as local businesses? | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 08:29 - Jul 28 with 1873 views | dailew |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 23:04 - Jul 27 by londonlisa2001 |
I couldn't agree more, hence my insistence on separating out those receiving any type of benefit (including the child related benefit which are in place purely to help those back to work who would otherwise be put off by childcare costs).
Most of those that Dailew has referenced are very much part of the squeezed middle who own their own homes and so on.
The whole concept of needing to top up those in work is reprehensible. Why on earth the big corporations should be allowed to continue paying anyone an amount lower than the living wage is a disgrace. |
All benefits have some reasoning behind them.
"The majority are (as has been described on here) the squeezed middle - people that earn too much for benefits / housing allowances etc, who own their own houses " is wrong. Hopelessly wrong.
Make up 30% at max (and some of these will rent).
Yet you have the cheek to accuse me of "distorting the facts". | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 08:39 - Jul 28 with 1866 views | waynekerr55 |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 23:10 - Jul 27 by longlostjack |
So Starbucks,for example, would up sticks and close all their coffee shops if they had to pay the same rate of tax as local businesses? |
Well it would probably stop them opening more. HSBC are pondering leaving already | |
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| Jeremy Corbyn on 08:54 - Jul 28 with 1854 views | WarwickHunt |
| Jeremy Corbyn on 23:07 - Jul 27 by londonlisa2001 |
Only if we also scrap the arbitrary notion that 50% of the population should go to university. Are there 50% of all jobs that require a university education? |
Are 50% of kids bright enough for a traditional university education?
No - however, inflated A level results, dumb "degrees", upgraded courses and lowering standards are doing their best to accommodate this fanciful " inclusive" bollox.
Anyone fancy a degree in surfing at the "University" of Plymouth?
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