| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... 17:26 - Jan 2 with 19181 views | dgt73 |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:38 - Jan 3 with 1609 views | cockneyswan |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 06:52 - Jan 3 by NOTRAC |
I suppose a Cardiff thread is a very strange place to talk about this, but in a way of course it isn't.
Tonight we saw ,to my mind,a warning.
You are of course quite right to praise everyone connected with Swansea City over the last ten plus years. Original investors put their money into the club without any real certainty that they would ever see a return on that money again.Expectation for those investors and fans alike grew with success.
Cardiff on the other hand,over roughly the same period,have continually expected success.
The £1m that has backed Swansea's success is peanuts compared to the money that has been put into Cardiff.
Sam Hamman saw Cardiff as a Top Premiership,or indeed even a top European side ,even when they were in the lower leagues.From the beginning he stated that...we are bigger than Barcelona etc.
In the same way that Swansea's investment couldn't compare with Hammans,so Hammans cannot compare with Tan's.
Cardiff financially were in a perilous position when Tan took over.His investment in Cardiff has been enormous.He has paid off all their debts.
As far as the fans are concerned this virtually doesn't matter.
The clubs success or otherwise on the field is all that matters.
To the average Cardiff fan the club's present position of being mid table in the Championship is a disaster.there is only one person to blame for that,and that of course is Vincent Tan.
He is the man that took over a club that was destined for the very top in British and European football, and it hasn't happened.
There are now calls for Hamman to come back and take the club over,for God's sake!
Expectation is everything.Reality is 4175 turning up for an F A Cup game.
So how does this compare with Swansea's situation.
Financially, all the original investors in Swansea have done very well.All have received dividends totalling three times their original monies.
Is it right that some should now expect more.Is it right that they should make a killing.
In the world of reality one could justify it.
However on expectation levels one would have to say no.
These men were not originally investors. Their investment and the clubs success has been built not on expectation levels as at Cardiff, but a sense of wonderment and pride as achievement followed achievement.
Any sale of shares to anyone but true Swansea fans would break that magical ingredient.
It is important to realise that these Americans are no differen t to your Hammans and Tans.They are investors,pure and simple. They have the history. There are also the doubts in their CVs regarding dubious involvements in their past.
To trust that those people who have run our club are doing the right thing by selling to these Americans simply because they have not let us down in the past is naive.
Whoever sells their shares are doing it for personal gain and not for the future good of Swansea City.
It is likely that for every year that we are in the Premiership the current investors will continue to have their financial rewards in dividends at least equal to their original investments.Those that are already doing so will receive wages ,and contracts will continue with their individual firms,if appropriate.
The sale of shares is pure greed,and not based on any original principles.
If anyone reading this is naive enough to think that the Americans will be happy to continue with a minority interest in the same way that the other directors have been, then their expectation levels are I am sorry to say as exaggerated as those of the average Cardiff fan.
For those who think it would be a step forward for our club to be owned by American investors ask yourself one question.Is it worth the risk.
Do we really want to end up with 4000 watching an FA Cup home game . |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:47 - Jan 3 with 1591 views | dgt73 |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:13 - Jan 3 by reddythered |
It was not planned.
A few chavs gobbing off does not a planned protest make.
Big effect on the gate? C'mon. Lower league opposition, Friday night game with the game televised, having been playing like shoite recently.
Plenty of people I know don't attend the early stages of either cup and haven't for years - are you claiming they are planned protesters?
Bournemouth league cup was what 6.4k, was that also a planned protest?
If we'd drawn say Man Yoo, the attendance would have been a lot higher and you know it.
Why should I boycott? The time for protest was years ago, not now. Situation is too far down the line for protests to have any major effect. |
Fair play to you for turning up. I see people like annis and Carl aren't prepared to back the no blue no renew campaign and as you said the time to protest was a few years ago. [Post edited 3 Jan 2015 10:50]
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:52 - Jan 3 with 1580 views | reddythered |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:47 - Jan 3 by dgt73 |
Fair play to you for turning up. I see people like annis and Carl aren't prepared to back the no blue no renew campaign and as you said the time to protest was a few years ago. [Post edited 3 Jan 2015 10:50]
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They were prepare until they weren't.
Anus previously claimed he was jacking it in next season, but is now claiming his daughter still wants to go.
All of which is clearly nothing to do with the way the acolytes are pushing the Bushy Eyebrowed ones agenda. It's an interesting study into human psychology that site.
As a best selling author would say, Hmmmmm.... |  |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:56 - Jan 3 with 1574 views | dgt73 |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:52 - Jan 3 by reddythered |
They were prepare until they weren't.
Anus previously claimed he was jacking it in next season, but is now claiming his daughter still wants to go.
All of which is clearly nothing to do with the way the acolytes are pushing the Bushy Eyebrowed ones agenda. It's an interesting study into human psychology that site.
As a best selling author would say, Hmmmmm.... |
Yeah i read that bit about his daughter lol. | |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:57 - Jan 3 with 1565 views | Dr_Winston |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:56 - Jan 3 by dgt73 |
Yeah i read that bit about his daughter lol. |
They're lining up Billionaires to take over mun. Few of those named are actually billionaires but still...
Even the sheer repetition is funny. [Post edited 3 Jan 2015 12:34]
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:00 - Jan 3 with 1562 views | Phil_S |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 03:15 - Jan 3 by Rancid |
Of course and long may we have one in place.I think they'll come around to the idea of outside investment eventually though if they haven't already.They're fans like us and whereas we should never forgot what nearly happened to us a decade or so ago the club is a completely different animal now because of it i believe.We learned the hard way but learning the hard way is sometimes the best way as to get back to the top you have to hit the bottom and we did and fortunately for us everyone involved at the time is still here and will remember it like all Jacks do.That's why if the board is seeking investment then we have to believe it for the good of the club and not to line shareholders or board members pockets cashing in while our stock is high.People will always think that, I know I did myself at first but these people are real fans of the club and proved so when bailing us out all those years ago and now want to see us go to the next level, something we're capable of as well.It's our 4th season in the PL and we're pretty much at the same level as we were in our first season apart from Bony.Vorm was brilliant for us and as good as Fabianski in our first season up here,our wingers and AM are the same players and nearly all our defence is as well.Leon is still here as well, so in 4 years we haven't progressed a great deal in the league and look like going the same way again, mid table, which is great as we all know but some people are ambitious and want and think we can get better.
Maybe our board now want more and feel investment from outside is the only way of doing it.We'll sell Bony for 30-40 million, which is fantastic business on the surface.But then we have to replace him and we won't be spending 30 million in trying to do so.We'll take a chance on someone and spend 15-20 million at a push and what's the chances of him being as good as Wilf and him scoring the goals to keep us as a mid table side? Gomis isn't going to improve us or score more than Wilf so we'd have to take a punt on someone else.For us to get a player like Bony again we'd either have to get lucky once more or spend huge on a proven goalscorer who'd command huge wages as well, obviously.
This is why the investment is being sought I believe.If we want a bigger stadium and a side that can challenge the top 6 and qualify for Europe, something we're not a million miles from doing but far enough from, then we need other players of Bony's calibre and others around him to be of a similar standard.Gylffi is up there as was Michu.Montero was great business and looks great thus far but will get found out if not this season but next season for sure.He has great pace and looks fantastic so far but defenders will learn quickly enough how to team up on him and he'll be just like Dyer was and is now and struggle to beat his man and get a cross off.We paid mental money for Wilf at the time and that's what you get for that sort of money,a world class player or a potential one.We'll need this investment to keep buying these type of players and to push on from being a 11-15th position side each season to a 6-8th placed side.
Some fans are cautious and rightly so and will think my post is bollox and I wouldn't blame them but the people who run our club are looking like they want us to push on again and not be content with mid table each season and not really improving but standing still. |
Out of interest, where have the Trust said that they don't want outside investment or any shape? |  | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:01 - Jan 3 with 1557 views | pencoedjack |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:57 - Jan 3 by Dr_Winston |
They're lining up Billionaires to take over mun. Few of those named are actually billionaires but still...
Even the sheer repetition is funny. [Post edited 3 Jan 2015 12:34]
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Clive Sullivan is the latest name |  | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:02 - Jan 3 with 1555 views | reddythered |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 10:57 - Jan 3 by Dr_Winston |
They're lining up Billionaires to take over mun. Few of those named are actually billionaires but still...
Even the sheer repetition is funny. [Post edited 3 Jan 2015 12:34]
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Ah but Clive Sullivan is now finally going to takeover, see.
No league rules prohibiting siblings owning football teams, see.
Conveniently ignores the fact the "Clive Sullivan" bid in the past fell through due to the League transparently seeing it was Dave Sullivan behind it. But we're all now expected to believe Dave has no part in it. | |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:04 - Jan 3 with 1549 views | Bloodyhills |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 00:24 - Jan 3 by reddythered |
Yeah. Froze various bodily parts off.
Thought the side looked better having adopted a 4-2-3-1 formation; Adeyemi and Ralls the deeper two, Whitts behind Macheda with Harris and Noone wide. Still did look nervous at times, but a better performance. I'd say keep the formation, change personnel.
John, Adeyemi and Harris all had good games; Ralls was effective at what he had to do. Macheda was anonymous - could be interesting to see if Mason could play that lone striker role.
We need more pace in that side though. |
It looked like the biggest thing the team needs is confidence. Colchester looked the better team until the double deflection first goal settled nerves a bit. | |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:09 - Jan 3 with 1535 views | reddythered |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:04 - Jan 3 by Bloodyhills |
It looked like the biggest thing the team needs is confidence. Colchester looked the better team until the double deflection first goal settled nerves a bit. |
Well, when on a bad run it's inevitable confidence is low. I'd like to see that formation used more often tho. Some good performances, mostly from the younger players, some showed the areas of weakness. | |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:09 - Jan 3 with 1535 views | Rancid |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:00 - Jan 3 by Phil_S |
Out of interest, where have the Trust said that they don't want outside investment or any shape? |
When it first emerged, Phil.Either you or Allan Lewis announced you were against it. or some spokesperson from the Trust did. |  | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:11 - Jan 3 with 1529 views | dgt73 |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:00 - Jan 3 by Phil_S |
Out of interest, where have the Trust said that they don't want outside investment or any shape? |
Ffs don't complicate things lol. | |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:19 - Jan 3 with 1506 views | Dr_Winston |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:01 - Jan 3 by pencoedjack |
Clive Sullivan is the latest name |
He's the one apparently putting this "consortium of billionaires" together, none of whom have any connection to Cardiff.
It's crazy. Aston Villa are a far better prospect for any football investor and have essentially been up for grabs for months if not longer. Why on Earth would anyone spunk £100m plus away on a debt ridden Championship side with a rapidly decreasing fanbase? | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:23 - Jan 3 with 1496 views | Phil_S |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:09 - Jan 3 by Rancid |
When it first emerged, Phil.Either you or Allan Lewis announced you were against it. or some spokesperson from the Trust did. |
The original statement said that we did not see the need for the ownership of the club to change | | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:30 - Jan 3 with 1483 views | dgt73 |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:19 - Jan 3 by Dr_Winston |
He's the one apparently putting this "consortium of billionaires" together, none of whom have any connection to Cardiff.
It's crazy. Aston Villa are a far better prospect for any football investor and have essentially been up for grabs for months if not longer. Why on Earth would anyone spunk £100m plus away on a debt ridden Championship side with a rapidly decreasing fanbase? |
Exactly | |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:37 - Jan 3 with 1470 views | Rancid |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:23 - Jan 3 by Phil_S |
The original statement said that we did not see the need for the ownership of the club to change |
''The news caused much debate between fans with the influential Swans Trust — who own a 21.1% stake in the club — revealing they were against the sale and would not consider cashing in on their own shares.''
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-city-supporter
When I first posted about the Trust putting the blockers on external investment Stateside you denied it straight away and said my source was a poor one and we weren't seeking investment.(I expected you to say nothing on here about it back then and said so).It did turn out to be true though and no doubt you knew what was happening but not about to announce it on here considering your position within the club.And you've just said you didn't feel the club needed new ownership.Maybe that's why i said you were against it. | | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:43 - Jan 3 with 1453 views | Phil_S |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:37 - Jan 3 by Rancid |
''The news caused much debate between fans with the influential Swans Trust — who own a 21.1% stake in the club — revealing they were against the sale and would not consider cashing in on their own shares.''
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-city-supporter
When I first posted about the Trust putting the blockers on external investment Stateside you denied it straight away and said my source was a poor one and we weren't seeking investment.(I expected you to say nothing on here about it back then and said so).It did turn out to be true though and no doubt you knew what was happening but not about to announce it on here considering your position within the club.And you've just said you didn't feel the club needed new ownership.Maybe that's why i said you were against it. |
Selling of shares is not investment though? | | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:52 - Jan 3 with 1430 views | pencoedjack |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:30 - Jan 3 by dgt73 |
Exactly |
Cameron Mackintosh
Jon Hunt
Sir Brian Souter
Alan Gloag
Francois Perrodo
They are the names being touted .... Amazing if you put all those name together in a google search they are all listed as new entries into the UK's billionaire list on the opening page.
They live in a fantasy land. | | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:53 - Jan 3 with 1429 views | Phil_S |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:37 - Jan 3 by Rancid |
''The news caused much debate between fans with the influential Swans Trust — who own a 21.1% stake in the club — revealing they were against the sale and would not consider cashing in on their own shares.''
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/swansea-city-supporter
When I first posted about the Trust putting the blockers on external investment Stateside you denied it straight away and said my source was a poor one and we weren't seeking investment.(I expected you to say nothing on here about it back then and said so).It did turn out to be true though and no doubt you knew what was happening but not about to announce it on here considering your position within the club.And you've just said you didn't feel the club needed new ownership.Maybe that's why i said you were against it. |
You probably also need to re-familiarise yourself with the thread in question too just for clarity on what was said
http://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/forum/128443/fao-phil-sumbler/ | | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:55 - Jan 3 with 1419 views | Rancid |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:43 - Jan 3 by Phil_S |
Selling of shares is not investment though? |
But it makes room for investors to get a foot in the door, does it not? | | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 12:00 - Jan 3 with 1403 views | JackSomething |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:55 - Jan 3 by Rancid |
But it makes room for investors to get a foot in the door, does it not? |
But selling shares is not the only way of attracting investment is it? Especially when the selling of shares would not guarantee any investment? |  |
| You know, Hobbes, some days even my lucky rocket ship underpants don't help. |
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| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 12:04 - Jan 3 with 1395 views | Phil_S |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:55 - Jan 3 by Rancid |
But it makes room for investors to get a foot in the door, does it not? |
Jacksomething answered this for me in reality | | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 12:16 - Jan 3 with 1373 views | Rancid |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 12:00 - Jan 3 by JackSomething |
But selling shares is not the only way of attracting investment is it? Especially when the selling of shares would not guarantee any investment? |
Ah right so an investor could be prepared to pump money into us without the need to be part of SCFC other than trusting Huw with their money? Is that what's being said here? | | | |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 12:17 - Jan 3 with 1371 views | reddythered |
| Own up, who's watching the big game at legoland tonight.... on 11:52 - Jan 3 by pencoedjack |
Cameron Mackintosh
Jon Hunt
Sir Brian Souter
Alan Gloag
Francois Perrodo
They are the names being touted .... Amazing if you put all those name together in a google search they are all listed as new entries into the UK's billionaire list on the opening page.
They live in a fantasy land. |
Who has claimed those names? Even Anus hasn't. | |
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