| when does something get deemed racist 13:07 - Nov 26 with 4106 views | Plastic_Fanzalona |
Following a post where a comment suggested that the topic had racial content as we brought some of our ethnic players into the topic.
When does something get deemed racist? Is it merely mentioning race or colour or has it got to have a derogatory edge?
I read a joke where a young Muslim lad looses his mum in a shopping centre, the staff try to help and ask, what does your mum look like? The young lad says I don't know.
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| when does something get deemed racist on 15:47 - Nov 26 with 2579 views | QuakerJack |
Not strictly as Muslims aren't a race, they wear that attire for religious purposes. That's not to say it isnt discrimination, just not on racial grounds. If you'd made fun of her skin colour then yes that's racist.
Racism is a term that gets thrown around to describe various forms of discrimination... like the word taff or sheep sh@gger, not racist when used by say an englishman to mock the Welsh. Racially there is very little if any difference between us... Anthropologists have debated the issue of race but one thing that's certain is that English and Welsh, for example are not classed as two separate races. Celts and Saxons may have been but Wales and England are not defined on those grounds.
Then there's the issue of light hearted humour vs insulting, quite often depends on a person's opinion on whether they are personally insulted by it. But someone else may hear it and take it personally, even if it doesn't insult his/her race... example - a colleague of mine years ago was pulled in because he repeatedly made anti Welsh jibes at me (apparently he grew up as an englishman in Neath and was picked on for being English so it left a sour taste in his mouth about us)... It rolled off my back but not off the back of a colleague who reported it... the colleague wasn't Welsh, he was of French African origin. He was not happy at what I took as banter and considered it racist. Fortunately I did not take it further so he got a slapped wrist.
It's a difficult issue to pin down and categorise. |  |
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| when does something get deemed racist (n/t) on 16:02 - Nov 26 with 2554 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| when does something get deemed racist on 15:47 - Nov 26 by QuakerJack |
Not strictly as Muslims aren't a race, they wear that attire for religious purposes. That's not to say it isnt discrimination, just not on racial grounds. If you'd made fun of her skin colour then yes that's racist.
Racism is a term that gets thrown around to describe various forms of discrimination... like the word taff or sheep sh@gger, not racist when used by say an englishman to mock the Welsh. Racially there is very little if any difference between us... Anthropologists have debated the issue of race but one thing that's certain is that English and Welsh, for example are not classed as two separate races. Celts and Saxons may have been but Wales and England are not defined on those grounds.
Then there's the issue of light hearted humour vs insulting, quite often depends on a person's opinion on whether they are personally insulted by it. But someone else may hear it and take it personally, even if it doesn't insult his/her race... example - a colleague of mine years ago was pulled in because he repeatedly made anti Welsh jibes at me (apparently he grew up as an englishman in Neath and was picked on for being English so it left a sour taste in his mouth about us)... It rolled off my back but not off the back of a colleague who reported it... the colleague wasn't Welsh, he was of French African origin. He was not happy at what I took as banter and considered it racist. Fortunately I did not take it further so he got a slapped wrist.
It's a difficult issue to pin down and categorise. |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 16:05 - Nov 26 with 2544 views | jackal |
It depends.
If you make monkey noises to a black player, you will be arrested, spend a night in the cells, court case, fine and a lengthy ban.
If you make sheep noises to Welsh fans then it's just hilarious banter. |  | | |
| when does something get deemed racist on 16:06 - Nov 26 with 2542 views | Darran |
I thought that joke was quite funny. |  |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 16:28 - Nov 26 with 2511 views | JJJack |
| when does something get deemed racist on 16:06 - Nov 26 by Darran |
I thought that joke was quite funny. |
You Daft Racialist! |  | | |
| when does something get deemed racist on 16:41 - Nov 26 with 2493 views | ItchySphincter |
| when does something get deemed racist on 16:05 - Nov 26 by jackal |
It depends.
If you make monkey noises to a black player, you will be arrested, spend a night in the cells, court case, fine and a lengthy ban.
If you make sheep noises to Welsh fans then it's just hilarious banter. |
Yeah, 'cos it's the same thing init....? |  |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 16:47 - Nov 26 with 2486 views | Darran |
| when does something get deemed racist on 16:28 - Nov 26 by JJJack |
You Daft Racialist! |
It reminded me of the time a Muslim lady knocked on my door wearing a full burka,I spoke to her through the letterbox.
Well it was only fair like. | |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 17:18 - Nov 26 with 2459 views | Starsky |
| when does something get deemed racist on 16:47 - Nov 26 by Darran |
It reminded me of the time a Muslim lady knocked on my door wearing a full burka,I spoke to her through the letterbox.
Well it was only fair like. |
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| It's just the internet, init. |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 17:23 - Nov 26 with 2449 views | jack247 |
Yes that could be considered racist, or offensive if racist is the wrong term.
I have 3 Muslim mates who I know would find it funny, but there are plenty of people it would offend. I don't mind Welsh jokes as long as they are funny and I'm sure there are plenty of Muslims who would think the same way. There would also however, be plenty of people of all races and skin colours who would take offence. | | | |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:29 - Nov 26 with 2434 views | Darran |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:23 - Nov 26 by jack247 |
Yes that could be considered racist, or offensive if racist is the wrong term.
I have 3 Muslim mates who I know would find it funny, but there are plenty of people it would offend. I don't mind Welsh jokes as long as they are funny and I'm sure there are plenty of Muslims who would think the same way. There would also however, be plenty of people of all races and skin colours who would take offence. |
I've got Muslim mates too. | |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 17:31 - Nov 26 with 2426 views | exiledclaseboy |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:29 - Nov 26 by Darran |
I've got Muslim mates too. |
I bet you haven't got as many muslim mates as Dave Whelan has got Chinese and jewish ones. He's got thousands. |  |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 17:32 - Nov 26 with 2426 views | Starsky |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:29 - Nov 26 by Darran |
I've got Muslim mates too. |
I Genuinely haven't. | |
| It's just the internet, init. |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 17:48 - Nov 26 with 2401 views | JacksawayatWalesgame |
I'm no expert, but I'd say the shopping centre joke is more satire than racism. The joke is a clever use of "irony to expose a folly", which is the dictionary definition of "satire". | | | |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:52 - Nov 26 with 2390 views | Darran |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:31 - Nov 26 by exiledclaseboy |
I bet you haven't got as many muslim mates as Dave Whelan has got Chinese and jewish ones. He's got thousands. |
I don't even have tbousands of friends | |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 17:53 - Nov 26 with 2388 views | exiledclaseboy |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:48 - Nov 26 by JacksawayatWalesgame |
I'm no expert, but I'd say the shopping centre joke is more satire than racism. The joke is a clever use of "irony to expose a folly", which is the dictionary definition of "satire". |
Which "folly" is being exposed? | |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 17:57 - Nov 26 with 2373 views | lifelong |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:52 - Nov 26 by Darran |
I don't even have tbousands of friends |
I haven't got any.😥 |  | | |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:57 - Nov 26 with 2373 views | skippyjack |
I think it's all to do with continuous intimidation.. if Darran said that down the Mumbai they'd take it well.. but if he come up with a racist joke every time.. they'd get intimidated and get him charged.. but if a white man gets continuous verbal intimidation from a black man.. what can the white bloke charge him with? an insult? |  |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 17:58 - Nov 26 with 2369 views | Darran |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:57 - Nov 26 by lifelong |
I haven't got any.😥 |
You've got me | |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 17:59 - Nov 26 with 2364 views | exiledclaseboy |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:57 - Nov 26 by skippyjack |
I think it's all to do with continuous intimidation.. if Darran said that down the Mumbai they'd take it well.. but if he come up with a racist joke every time.. they'd get intimidated and get him charged.. but if a white man gets continuous verbal intimidation from a black man.. what can the white bloke charge him with? an insult? |
Could the black man abusing the white man about his race also get charged with the same offence as the white man if the roles were reversed? Yes. Yes he could. | |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 18:00 - Nov 26 with 2363 views | lifelong |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:58 - Nov 26 by Darran |
You've got me |
Of course.  | | | |
| when does something get deemed racist on 18:01 - Nov 26 with 2358 views | Jackfath |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:57 - Nov 26 by skippyjack |
I think it's all to do with continuous intimidation.. if Darran said that down the Mumbai they'd take it well.. but if he come up with a racist joke every time.. they'd get intimidated and get him charged.. but if a white man gets continuous verbal intimidation from a black man.. what can the white bloke charge him with? an insult? |
The white bloke can't charge him with anything unless he is a policeman. |  |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 18:02 - Nov 26 with 2357 views | JacksawayatWalesgame |
| when does something get deemed racist on 17:53 - Nov 26 by exiledclaseboy |
Which "folly" is being exposed? |
The Muslim woman's own son is so influenced by excessive political correctness that he is afraid to describe her appearance for fear of saying something that could be deemed racist. | | | |
| when does something get deemed racist on 18:03 - Nov 26 with 2352 views | exiledclaseboy |
| when does something get deemed racist on 18:02 - Nov 26 by JacksawayatWalesgame |
The Muslim woman's own son is so influenced by excessive political correctness that he is afraid to describe her appearance for fear of saying something that could be deemed racist. |
Oh really. I interpreted the joke as implying that the son doesn't know what his mother looks like because she always wears a burka face covering thing at all times so he's never seen her face.
One of us is over-thinking this joke. | |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 18:07 - Nov 26 with 2338 views | Darran |
| when does something get deemed racist on 18:03 - Nov 26 by exiledclaseboy |
Oh really. I interpreted the joke as implying that the son doesn't know what his mother looks like because she always wears a burka face covering thing at all times so he's never seen her face.
One of us is over-thinking this joke. |
I've missed this. | |
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| when does something get deemed racist on 18:07 - Nov 26 with 2337 views | Jackfath |
If Bernard Manning were alive, a geek and a Swans fan he'd be all over this thread. | |
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