| New manager 16:09 - Apr 12 with 2743 views | ieuan95 |
So far i think the job that monk has done is superb, he put new life into the players and although were not winning too many games, the team looks stronger than it did at the end of laudrups reign. The problem is that the club is a multi-million pound business, so there is a strong possibility huw jenkins will replace monk with a more experienced manager at the end of the season. Just wanted to ask the question of who you would like to replace him, if he did go.
For me id like to see marcelo bielsa take over. He is experienced and a proven manager, and afterall he inspired pep guardiolas style of football. Of course thats if we could lure him to the club. He plays a similar style to swansea and he'd definitely fit in.
Im still in support of monk and think hes doing a great job under the circumstances!! |  | | |  |
| New manager on 02:48 - Apr 13 with 728 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| New manager on 00:35 - Apr 13 by NeathJack |
You're such a good supporter that you refused to chant in support of our head coach? |
Very few did. A large number of people were cursing Monk and Huw was mentioned a couple of times too which did put a small smile on my face. There was also significant abuse aimed towards Rangel and Michu throughout the game.
Just to clarify, the only abuse I directed at our players all game was a quick jibe at Rangel after he failed to jump during the cross, something nearly everyone around me did and something I'm sure most watching at home did too. |  |
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| New manager on 05:28 - Apr 13 with 704 views | JethroJack |
| New manager on 02:45 - Apr 13 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
You are talking about what might happen. I am talking about what is currently happening. We currently have 2 wins from 12 and 9 points from 9 games in the league. I sincerely hope that Monk's point average come the end of the season is 1.2 as that would mean the results in our final games have improved and steered us clear of relegation. |
But I thought you wanted GM removed before he could prove whether he can keep us up or not. You sound very confused to me....do you want to give him a fair crack of the whip or not???
Also, stop giving a distorted view by saying 2 wins from 12 when its 2 wins & 4 draws from 12 and 4 of the 6 losses were only by the odd goal and 4 of those losses were away at Liverpool, Everton (twice) & Napoli. Your spin doctoring doesn't wash with me!!
Seems to me that, if you truly are a Swans supporter (and I have serious doubts!) you will NEVER be satisfied, so why don't you (instead) become a glory hunter & go and support the team or teams that happen to be doing well at any point in time.....Liverpool ? City? Chelsea? Bayern? Real? Would probably involve more travelling, but at least in would make you happier!! |  | | |
| New manager on 12:30 - Apr 13 with 659 views | DwightYorkeSuperstar |
| New manager on 05:28 - Apr 13 by JethroJack |
But I thought you wanted GM removed before he could prove whether he can keep us up or not. You sound very confused to me....do you want to give him a fair crack of the whip or not???
Also, stop giving a distorted view by saying 2 wins from 12 when its 2 wins & 4 draws from 12 and 4 of the 6 losses were only by the odd goal and 4 of those losses were away at Liverpool, Everton (twice) & Napoli. Your spin doctoring doesn't wash with me!!
Seems to me that, if you truly are a Swans supporter (and I have serious doubts!) you will NEVER be satisfied, so why don't you (instead) become a glory hunter & go and support the team or teams that happen to be doing well at any point in time.....Liverpool ? City? Chelsea? Bayern? Real? Would probably involve more travelling, but at least in would make you happier!! |
I do want Garry removed. But I am intelligent enough to realise that he is now here until the end of the season at the very least. But that does not mean I will stop echoing my thoughts in the hope they will catch on. He has been given a fair crack of the whip. He's had twelve games. He won only two. I am not spinning anything as you say, those are facts.
Regarding your final paragraph, I can be satisfied regarding the Swans. For 2/3's of last season I was happy with how we were playing. Then from February onwards we fell apart and it was painful to watch, as it's been for nearly all this season. I accept that we will unlikely reach the status of Everton in this league, but that does not mean we have to accept the current abysmal mistakes our board are making on a frequent basis and the increasingly laboured and disinterested displays our players have been giving for 18 months now. | |
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| New manager on 14:01 - Apr 13 with 625 views | Spratty |
| New manager on 12:30 - Apr 13 by DwightYorkeSuperstar |
I do want Garry removed. But I am intelligent enough to realise that he is now here until the end of the season at the very least. But that does not mean I will stop echoing my thoughts in the hope they will catch on. He has been given a fair crack of the whip. He's had twelve games. He won only two. I am not spinning anything as you say, those are facts.
Regarding your final paragraph, I can be satisfied regarding the Swans. For 2/3's of last season I was happy with how we were playing. Then from February onwards we fell apart and it was painful to watch, as it's been for nearly all this season. I accept that we will unlikely reach the status of Everton in this league, but that does not mean we have to accept the current abysmal mistakes our board are making on a frequent basis and the increasingly laboured and disinterested displays our players have been giving for 18 months now. |
Some think playing Man City is the same as playing Sunderland
I refer to my previous post which covers the games post COC and why it is not reasonable to compare without factoring in game difficulty. By the end of Monks games it will be more balanced but still the games will have been easier and no account taken of the 50% higher fixture density or the massive and ongoing key injuries which Laudrup had to cope with. Ignoring the huge impact of that is like expecting someone to win the Masters with half his clubs missing whilst commuting from London every day .......................................................
“We played far fewer games last season, yet performances and results were still poor after the CCC final.”
In the last 11 games after the COC we had a higher win ratio than Garry has achieved so far. We only achieved 9 points out of 11 games however. But the games were much more difficult, compare:
Last Year — last 11 (post COC games)
All top 5 teams played.
Only 1 game (which we won) was against the bottom 6
This Year — last 11 (also March on)
3 top 5 teams (only I of those against top 3)
3 games are against the bottom 6
The mid level games cancel each other in terms of position played. This leaves comparing playing the 1st and 3rd position teams last year to the 16th and 20th position teams this year.
Playing at a reasonable mid, lower/mid table standard we should be getting wins against the bottom 5 and lucky to get a point from 2 top 3 games. Therefore this decrease in difficulty in the last 11 from last year to this should be worth an extra 4-6 points.
This would change our 9 points in the last 11 last year to a minimum of 13 points — and give comfortable PL finish form (regardless of the poor loss to Fulham and the point denied at WBA from the goal incorrectly disallowed).
However despite this Laudrup is blamed for losing interest last year and for relegation performance
Yet if monk replicates this year the points earned in the last 11 last year (even without the extra 4-6 points he should be getting from the much easier games), he will be hailed the messiah for keeping us up.
Of course this shows the weakness of taking base points per game rather than factoring in the difficulty of the team.
Positionally we were also very stable last year. Amazingly we never dropped below 11th but in fact our position was most stable from Jan when we never dropped below 9th. if not denied our good goal at WBA away we would have finished 8th. Of course the last game of the season was a very disappointing end to a brilliant season. We were in a post Cup win period which is well recognised for a drop in performance especially when position is safe and consistent and there is little to be achieved (Liverpool too far ahead with Suarez firing).
So I don't think you can explain away the drop in quality of football solely by the number of games we've had to play “
well besides the stats behind your argument being massively incorrect such that for the relevant period it was not less but over 40% more fixtures; and me explaining that it was not just the number of fixtures but the density of them. I certainly was not only trying to explain the drop in quality by the 50% higher fixture density (compared with that currently) as major an effect that in itself would have on fitness and preparation time. My other main point which you have totally omitted to take into consideration was THE MASSIVE KEY INJURIES OVER MONTHS. As I said:
“What is hard to understand that we are not going to always play sparkling football with 50% more fixtures and massive key injuries (up to 6 1st pick players and both Bony and Michu for one period). What logic exists comparing that with a fully fit team and much more time between games”
As I have said before in the circumstances it was a damn near miracle that not only was ML coping with this and managing to keep us in Europe and the FA Cup but he was also well on track to keep us up achieving 96% of PL points from like for like fixtures - which would have given us a strong mid table finish.
However with the added benefit of a fully fit team and less fixtures I would have expected us to equal or exceed last season’s points, giving us the possibility to finish top half. Worst case scenario the chances of relegation were negligible and have increased under GM — given the poor results in the easiest home games (for comparison Garry achieving PL points at less than 65% of last years like for like games).
There was no way we were going down under ML and even given the lost points against the easier teams I still have a good degree of confidence that we will stay up (even though scraping through will be a very poor result for our team quality).
Let’s not forget we also still played some lovely football under ML despite the circumstances. Although the West Ham game was poor, they had manager of the month beating every team by 2 goals in Feb including Southampton. They only conceded 1 goal all month and had already held Chelsea away 0-0 the game before ours. I also dread to think what was going on behind the scenes at that time. The lowest point for me was losing to West Brom at home when they were in such massively poor form. Especially as they are a team we have played some of our most beautiful football against. |  | | |
| New manager on 14:35 - Apr 13 with 604 views | slate_dk |
| New manager on 14:01 - Apr 13 by Spratty |
Some think playing Man City is the same as playing Sunderland
I refer to my previous post which covers the games post COC and why it is not reasonable to compare without factoring in game difficulty. By the end of Monks games it will be more balanced but still the games will have been easier and no account taken of the 50% higher fixture density or the massive and ongoing key injuries which Laudrup had to cope with. Ignoring the huge impact of that is like expecting someone to win the Masters with half his clubs missing whilst commuting from London every day .......................................................
“We played far fewer games last season, yet performances and results were still poor after the CCC final.”
In the last 11 games after the COC we had a higher win ratio than Garry has achieved so far. We only achieved 9 points out of 11 games however. But the games were much more difficult, compare:
Last Year — last 11 (post COC games)
All top 5 teams played.
Only 1 game (which we won) was against the bottom 6
This Year — last 11 (also March on)
3 top 5 teams (only I of those against top 3)
3 games are against the bottom 6
The mid level games cancel each other in terms of position played. This leaves comparing playing the 1st and 3rd position teams last year to the 16th and 20th position teams this year.
Playing at a reasonable mid, lower/mid table standard we should be getting wins against the bottom 5 and lucky to get a point from 2 top 3 games. Therefore this decrease in difficulty in the last 11 from last year to this should be worth an extra 4-6 points.
This would change our 9 points in the last 11 last year to a minimum of 13 points — and give comfortable PL finish form (regardless of the poor loss to Fulham and the point denied at WBA from the goal incorrectly disallowed).
However despite this Laudrup is blamed for losing interest last year and for relegation performance
Yet if monk replicates this year the points earned in the last 11 last year (even without the extra 4-6 points he should be getting from the much easier games), he will be hailed the messiah for keeping us up.
Of course this shows the weakness of taking base points per game rather than factoring in the difficulty of the team.
Positionally we were also very stable last year. Amazingly we never dropped below 11th but in fact our position was most stable from Jan when we never dropped below 9th. if not denied our good goal at WBA away we would have finished 8th. Of course the last game of the season was a very disappointing end to a brilliant season. We were in a post Cup win period which is well recognised for a drop in performance especially when position is safe and consistent and there is little to be achieved (Liverpool too far ahead with Suarez firing).
So I don't think you can explain away the drop in quality of football solely by the number of games we've had to play “
well besides the stats behind your argument being massively incorrect such that for the relevant period it was not less but over 40% more fixtures; and me explaining that it was not just the number of fixtures but the density of them. I certainly was not only trying to explain the drop in quality by the 50% higher fixture density (compared with that currently) as major an effect that in itself would have on fitness and preparation time. My other main point which you have totally omitted to take into consideration was THE MASSIVE KEY INJURIES OVER MONTHS. As I said:
“What is hard to understand that we are not going to always play sparkling football with 50% more fixtures and massive key injuries (up to 6 1st pick players and both Bony and Michu for one period). What logic exists comparing that with a fully fit team and much more time between games”
As I have said before in the circumstances it was a damn near miracle that not only was ML coping with this and managing to keep us in Europe and the FA Cup but he was also well on track to keep us up achieving 96% of PL points from like for like fixtures - which would have given us a strong mid table finish.
However with the added benefit of a fully fit team and less fixtures I would have expected us to equal or exceed last season’s points, giving us the possibility to finish top half. Worst case scenario the chances of relegation were negligible and have increased under GM — given the poor results in the easiest home games (for comparison Garry achieving PL points at less than 65% of last years like for like games).
There was no way we were going down under ML and even given the lost points against the easier teams I still have a good degree of confidence that we will stay up (even though scraping through will be a very poor result for our team quality).
Let’s not forget we also still played some lovely football under ML despite the circumstances. Although the West Ham game was poor, they had manager of the month beating every team by 2 goals in Feb including Southampton. They only conceded 1 goal all month and had already held Chelsea away 0-0 the game before ours. I also dread to think what was going on behind the scenes at that time. The lowest point for me was losing to West Brom at home when they were in such massively poor form. Especially as they are a team we have played some of our most beautiful football against. |
Thanks spratty; my arguments exactly but I am just to lazy  | | | |
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