| Chair - positional change 11:15 - Jan 27 with 3020 views | Doudou87 |
Its great having Chair back in the team he has obvious quality and improves our starting 11, but can't help but notice his game has slightly changed and after watching Barry Bannan yet again have a very effective game against us it made me question his position. I'd like to see him play as a central midfielder who much like Bannan drops deep to start our attacking moves. We struggle with creativity in the middle and would free up the left wing for the likes of Saito or even Kolli who have a bit more pace.It does ask the question of who do you drop, but rotation would benefit everyone at this stage. |  |
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| Chair - positional change on 11:24 - Jan 27 with 2626 views | daveB |
When he started he was in the middle of a 3 man midfield which is where I always thought he would stay but has been moved out wide the last few years, it's something worth looking at again before the end of the season |  | | |
| Chair - positional change on 11:37 - Jan 27 with 2573 views | dmm |
I think there's many who'd like to see this tried out. However, where do you then play Morgan? |  | | |
| Chair - positional change on 12:08 - Jan 27 with 2496 views | kensalriser |
The problem with playing Chair wide is his lack of pace, and that's been even more apparent as he's working his way back from injury. He's just not quick enough to be a winger, so unless he can beat his man by guile he has to turn and play back or sideways, hence the oft repeated complaint that he holds on to the ball too long. Smyth is far more effective wide simply because he's faster. |  |
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| Chair - positional change on 13:23 - Jan 27 with 2345 views | Mole_Senior |
I agree with all of this.
I also think Saito is too good to be sitting on the bench every week! |  | | |
| Chair - positional change on 13:30 - Jan 27 with 2319 views | qprninja |
Bannon was also excellent in his defensive work. Whenever Smyth got the ball he was chasing back, and there was three of them crowding him all the time. Gave him a rough afternoon. |  | | |
| Chair - positional change on 13:32 - Jan 27 with 2304 views | robith |
The flip side is
- we can't play him at 10 because we currently need Field, Morgan and Varane running themselves into the ground for the team to work
- personally I find the deeper Chair drops, the less effective he is, as whilst he works hard, he's not an up and down the pitch player
- he's probably the best crosser we have, so playing balls in from the left seems an effective use of his skills in our current set up |  | | |
| Chair - positional change on 13:33 - Jan 27 with 2291 views | E17hoop |
I'd much prefer to see Saito left, Smyth right, and Chair as a traditional 10. |  |
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| Chair - positional change on 13:44 - Jan 27 with 2253 views | stevec |
Get the feeling he’s welded himself into that wide position and is reluctant to play central, hard to understand why, but if ever he had ambition to play at a higher level he’s killing it fast.
Wonder if he’s not been that ambitious and content with being the best player in a bottom half side. |  | | |
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| Chair - positional change on 13:52 - Jan 27 with 2235 views | Rsole |
He’s waiting for the (green) bikini formation.
Two up top, a bare midfield and the rest behind, covering arses.
Popular with Brazilian teams. |  |
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| Chair - positional change on 00:57 - Jan 28 with 1934 views | simmo |
| Chair - positional change on 13:32 - Jan 27 by robith |
The flip side is
- we can't play him at 10 because we currently need Field, Morgan and Varane running themselves into the ground for the team to work
- personally I find the deeper Chair drops, the less effective he is, as whilst he works hard, he's not an up and down the pitch player
- he's probably the best crosser we have, so playing balls in from the left seems an effective use of his skills in our current set up |
First hour for Norwich away we had a deeper 2 man midfield of Field and Morgan and it worked well - esp playing out from the back.
I like the 3 man we've had recently, especially our of possession, but I'd like to see Chair central/drifting and Saito left... |  |
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| Chair - positional change on 01:33 - Jan 28 with 1885 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Chair - positional change on 13:33 - Jan 27 by E17hoop |
I'd much prefer to see Saito left, Smyth right, and Chair as a traditional 10. |
I agree with this, and think the necessity of Field/Varane/Morgan running themselves into the ground for the team to 'work' is a false premise we shouldn't be over-investing in. Bannon is basically a 10, and Chair should be doing the same thing for us. [Post edited 28 Jan 1:34]
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| Chair - positional change on 06:30 - Jan 28 with 1793 views | Rsole |
| Chair - positional change on 01:33 - Jan 28 by stainrods_elbow |
I agree with this, and think the necessity of Field/Varane/Morgan running themselves into the ground for the team to 'work' is a false premise we shouldn't be over-investing in. Bannon is basically a 10, and Chair should be doing the same thing for us. [Post edited 28 Jan 1:34]
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So the system that put us at the top of the form table for a while was the wrong one and we should change it to accommodate Chair ?
I love Chair but he’s not the same player he was, he is not Bannon and he’s not a natural number 10. Even if he was, why would you potentially throw the results away for something that may not work and lose the benefits of Chair’s contributions from the left ? | |
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| Chair - positional change on 07:36 - Jan 28 with 1685 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Chair - positional change on 06:30 - Jan 28 by Rsole |
So the system that put us at the top of the form table for a while was the wrong one and we should change it to accommodate Chair ?
I love Chair but he’s not the same player he was, he is not Bannon and he’s not a natural number 10. Even if he was, why would you potentially throw the results away for something that may not work and lose the benefits of Chair’s contributions from the left ? |
I disagree and have always seen Chair as a roaming 10. As someone else pointed out, he's not quick enough for a winger, and he has more to his game than that anyway.
While you're right that we've had a run of very decent results playing things one way, I don't think the 'system' we have is definitive (e.g. I'm not convinced of Varane, despite this, and Marti will have to adjust things again when Dembele is back in all likelihood), especially as Wednesday also exposed its limitations.
Going forward, literally and metaphorically, E17 is on the money, I think. We should play with two authentic wingers (Saito and Smyth) serving Frey or Kolli, depending, with Chair at 10 in the hole. That might mean going three at the back or not. [Post edited 28 Jan 7:38]
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| Chair - positional change on 09:42 - Jan 28 with 1512 views | swisscottage |
I would love to see Ilias play more centrally. But at the moment his base fitness is not where it needs to be for that role in this system.
Maybe next season after a strong pre-season, but not at the moment. | | | |
| Chair - positional change on 09:46 - Jan 28 with 1492 views | BrianMcCarthy |
I'm not convinced. I've always thought it would be an interesting idea, but I don't think we've any way of knowing for sure right now.
He's been great for us on the left for many years. If he gets fullly fit and in full form again he will be great there again. If not, he won't be great anywhere. |  |
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| Chair - positional change on 12:06 - Jan 28 with 1367 views | daveB |
one of the things against is that we looked a real mess earlier in the season playing more open with a number 10 roaming in Dembele or Madsen, when we switched to the current midfield 3 we've started to look a lot better.
I think if get to April and the season is pretty much done in that we can't go down and unlikely to go up then Marti can experiement a bit more | | | |
| Chair - positional change on 12:26 - Jan 28 with 1321 views | richpr |
I think Rangers are a better team with Chair on the left. It gives an easy outlet for Field which stops the ball going backwards. It makes Paal play better as Chair usually holds on to the ball. The balance of the team is better. The current scenario of Chair starting and Saito replacing him after 70 mins seems to work well.
I worry that when Dembele is fit it will change the balance. We might start losing the ball in midfield too much which will put us on the back foot | | | |
| Chair - positional change on 13:23 - Jan 28 with 1234 views | TheChef |
Needless to say Chair has been great for us - but still think he could be an even better footballer.
I appreciate he's just coming back from an injury, but I'm not sure what is holding him back other than himself? |  |
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| Chair - positional change on 14:51 - Jan 28 with 1079 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Chair - positional change on 12:06 - Jan 28 by daveB |
one of the things against is that we looked a real mess earlier in the season playing more open with a number 10 roaming in Dembele or Madsen, when we switched to the current midfield 3 we've started to look a lot better.
I think if get to April and the season is pretty much done in that we can't go down and unlikely to go up then Marti can experiement a bit more |
We could still have a three-man midfield (with Chair in the hole and Colback/Field shielding) if we considered going three at the back.
Any takers? | |
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| Chair - positional change on 19:08 - Jan 28 with 874 views | QPR_Jim |
| Chair - positional change on 06:30 - Jan 28 by Rsole |
So the system that put us at the top of the form table for a while was the wrong one and we should change it to accommodate Chair ?
I love Chair but he’s not the same player he was, he is not Bannon and he’s not a natural number 10. Even if he was, why would you potentially throw the results away for something that may not work and lose the benefits of Chair’s contributions from the left ? |
I think you need to evolve the system as opposition change how they set up against us. We started that run with very few CB's available and makeshift full backs so we needed the defence protecting. Teams would also have seen us as a winnable game and come to attack, now they may be more cautious.
I think Chair might be good in that role so long as he presses and works hard. I don't think he's a lazy player, so don't see why he wouldn't. As others have said, it will give Saito a chance, we have Dembele coming back too. It should also allow for rotation of Morgan, Field and Varane which may protect the team from drop off in performance from fatigue.
If it works it could be a good option to switch things up against teams who are more defensive. |  | | |
| Chair - positional change on 19:47 - Jan 28 with 834 views | Rsole |
| Chair - positional change on 14:51 - Jan 28 by stainrods_elbow |
We could still have a three-man midfield (with Chair in the hole and Colback/Field shielding) if we considered going three at the back.
Any takers? |
No thanks, I’m driving. | |
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| Chair - positional change on 20:19 - Jan 28 with 789 views | Esox_Lucius |
Saturday's game, Bannon was playing all over the pitch, left and right, deep in his own half and up supporting the forward players. Indefatigable! |  |
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| Chair - positional change on 05:06 - Jan 29 with 608 views | Rsole |
| Chair - positional change on 20:19 - Jan 28 by Esox_Lucius |
Saturday's game, Bannon was playing all over the pitch, left and right, deep in his own half and up supporting the forward players. Indefatigable! |
He must have a full blood transfusion after every game. | |
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| Chair - positional change on 11:18 - Jan 29 with 425 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Chair - positional change on 05:06 - Jan 29 by Rsole |
He must have a full blood transfusion after every game. |
I said at half time to my mate, they should drug test him now, I bet he wouldn't be playing the second half if they did. | |
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| Chair - positional change on 12:46 - Jan 29 with 324 views | QuillPenRiot |
I think it’s about options, Marti’s success has been his ability to adapt while teaching the boys better football
One of my worries is what do we do if Paal gets injured, other than Fox playing out of position. We could do unorthodox Pep 3-2-4-1: Morrison-Cook-Dunne, Field-Varanne, Saito-Chair-Morgan-Smyth, Frey
https://soccerwhizz.com/3-2-4-1-soccer-formation-explained/
Yes, it’s all a bit gamer manager, but possible? |  | | |
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