| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr 22:18 - Dec 17 with 8215 views | Boundy |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:56 - Jan 3 with 616 views | lifelong |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:54 - Jan 3 by onehunglow |
And you don’t like it when it is pointed out to you Welsh is a hindrance at best for many
Thing is ,what do you speak about in welsh,those who don’t,or is it just local gossip.
This site is 100% English language as its then other tongue of most
If yiu don’t like English,don’t post in it |
Where have I said that I don’t like English, you silly man. |  | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 16:51 - Jan 4 with 541 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:00 - Jan 3 by lifelong |
Getting a bit personal, don’t like it that people might have a different view to your anti Welsh language views? |
There's nothing in there that's near "getting personal" I simply asked a question. Personally I doubt you throw away money.
Again, it's not anti Welsh language, if people want to learn Welsh then fine, good for them but I'd prefer my tax money was spent saving lives or giving people a better quality of life.
When it was the 20mph argument you were all for saving lives yet now it's different.
Call it anti Welsh if you like, I'll call it pro life! | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:00 - Jan 4 with 534 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 21:05 - Jan 3 by Kilkennyjack |
You are at it again.
You are creating a false straw-man argument pitting the Welsh NHS against the Welsh language.
This is entirely false.
As welsh people we want a world class NHS - AND a positive secure future for our welsh language.
Its very normal for nations to have 2 languages.
Let me give you another comparison.
1. December 2021, a total of £43.6m was allocated for the Welsh language.
2. The Arts Council England has an annual budget of £458.5 million per year in National Portfolio , plus £116.8 million of National Lottery funding per year. Plus other funds.
So why single out the welsh language spending when its way less than even 10% of that of the Arts Council England alone …..?
It looks very much like you just want to knock the welsh language. Nothing more and nothing less. |
It's just another manifestation of your inability to comprehend.
It's not Welsh language versus the NHS, it's about the money being spent. If we had a world class NHS then who could argue about the waste of money elsewhere?
Actually it's normal for nations to have more than 2 languages, some have a lot more.
If you'd ever been paying attention, or didn't choose to misrepresent me, you would remember that I am against millions going to the arts when the NHS, social care, schools and police are so short of resources.
How much does the Senedd give to Welsh arts? That'd be more wasted money in my book, if theatres etc cannot survive on income then they go bust, propping them up with money from people who have no interest isn't right, specially when it's a mostly rich persons thing like Opera, let the rich pay more.
What it very much is, to myself, is a desire to see the money spent where it is most needed and does the most good. Maybe when you urgently need a service there is no longer any money for, you'll feel different?
gov.wales/written-statement-additional-funding-culture-and-sport-arms-length-bodies-and-cadw
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:06 - Jan 4 with 529 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:00 - Jan 4 by SullutaCreturned |
It's just another manifestation of your inability to comprehend.
It's not Welsh language versus the NHS, it's about the money being spent. If we had a world class NHS then who could argue about the waste of money elsewhere?
Actually it's normal for nations to have more than 2 languages, some have a lot more.
If you'd ever been paying attention, or didn't choose to misrepresent me, you would remember that I am against millions going to the arts when the NHS, social care, schools and police are so short of resources.
How much does the Senedd give to Welsh arts? That'd be more wasted money in my book, if theatres etc cannot survive on income then they go bust, propping them up with money from people who have no interest isn't right, specially when it's a mostly rich persons thing like Opera, let the rich pay more.
What it very much is, to myself, is a desire to see the money spent where it is most needed and does the most good. Maybe when you urgently need a service there is no longer any money for, you'll feel different?
gov.wales/written-statement-additional-funding-culture-and-sport-arms-length-bodies-and-cadw
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Having more oeople able to speak welsh does not in any way improve the country
It won’t bring down hospital waiting lists ,improve roads or the infrastructure
Are we looking at people being able to suffer in both languages
As long as people can communicate .
WTF difference does speaking welsh make
Let’s be frank,many detest the language being compulsory but they would be nuts to admit so publically ,as is obvious | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:29 - Jan 4 with 510 views | Plankton |
I think, statistically, more people speak Latin.
Let it go. | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:35 - Jan 4 with 496 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:29 - Jan 4 by Plankton |
I think, statistically, more people speak Latin.
Let it go. |
Latin helps one understand Italian ,Spanish and Portuguese . These languages are of more use . | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:49 - Jan 4 with 483 views | lifelong |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:35 - Jan 4 by onehunglow |
Latin helps one understand Italian ,Spanish and Portuguese . These languages are of more use . |
What about double Dutch, you appear to be an expert in it? | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:59 - Jan 4 with 481 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:49 - Jan 4 by lifelong |
What about double Dutch, you appear to be an expert in it? |
What has that to do with this threat
As it happens,I can speak basic Dutch as I took German in school ,which has the same grammatical structure .
Benefit of learning European languages rather than an arcane ancient tongue that divides a whole country
You don’t do debate ,do ya ! | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:25 - Jan 4 with 460 views | majorraglan |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:06 - Jan 4 by onehunglow |
Having more oeople able to speak welsh does not in any way improve the country
It won’t bring down hospital waiting lists ,improve roads or the infrastructure
Are we looking at people being able to suffer in both languages
As long as people can communicate .
WTF difference does speaking welsh make
Let’s be frank,many detest the language being compulsory but they would be nuts to admit so publically ,as is obvious |
It makes a lot of difference to the small number of people who only speak Welsh and the people who’s first language is Welsh.
Most of the people I know would love to be able to speak Welsh, the ability to do so can make a huge difference where I live. My father in law has his own business, he uses a lot of the Welsh language when dealing with his customers and it makes a huge difference. | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:27 - Jan 4 with 452 views | lifelong |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 16:51 - Jan 4 by SullutaCreturned |
There's nothing in there that's near "getting personal" I simply asked a question. Personally I doubt you throw away money.
Again, it's not anti Welsh language, if people want to learn Welsh then fine, good for them but I'd prefer my tax money was spent saving lives or giving people a better quality of life.
When it was the 20mph argument you were all for saving lives yet now it's different.
Call it anti Welsh if you like, I'll call it pro life! |
What do you mean ‘It’s different’?
If I remember correctly you weren’t too bothered about saving lives in the 20mph thread. | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:41 - Jan 4 with 454 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:25 - Jan 4 by majorraglan |
It makes a lot of difference to the small number of people who only speak Welsh and the people who’s first language is Welsh.
Most of the people I know would love to be able to speak Welsh, the ability to do so can make a huge difference where I live. My father in law has his own business, he uses a lot of the Welsh language when dealing with his customers and it makes a huge difference. |
So his customers don’t understand English then
In business ,English the world language
Welsh speakers see any questioning if the language as a personal affront .
It’s not | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:41 - Jan 4 with 450 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:56 - Jan 3 by lifelong |
Where have I said that I don’t like English, you silly man. |
Probeer het opnieuw ..
That’s single Dutch [Post edited 4 Jan 18:43]
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:44 - Jan 4 with 433 views | lifelong |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:25 - Jan 4 by majorraglan |
It makes a lot of difference to the small number of people who only speak Welsh and the people who’s first language is Welsh.
Most of the people I know would love to be able to speak Welsh, the ability to do so can make a huge difference where I live. My father in law has his own business, he uses a lot of the Welsh language when dealing with his customers and it makes a huge difference. |
You’re wasting your time, he detests the language and would rather speak German. | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:52 - Jan 4 with 425 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:44 - Jan 4 by lifelong |
You’re wasting your time, he detests the language and would rather speak German. |
I thought we were talking Dutch Rog
Read
Read
Read
I ll give you basic lesson to help…
Lezer is Dutch for read
Leser is German for Dutch
It’s why people from Netherlands can speak so many languages . One helps the other . So they can discourse in Flemish ( old Dutch) ,German and also French because of historical links .
See my point ? | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 19:02 - Jan 4 with 413 views | union_jack |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:52 - Jan 4 by onehunglow |
I thought we were talking Dutch Rog
Read
Read
Read
I ll give you basic lesson to help…
Lezer is Dutch for read
Leser is German for Dutch
It’s why people from Netherlands can speak so many languages . One helps the other . So they can discourse in Flemish ( old Dutch) ,German and also French because of historical links .
See my point ? |
Lesen😉 |  |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr (n/t) on 19:16 - Jan 4 with 397 views | lifelong |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:52 - Jan 4 by onehunglow |
I thought we were talking Dutch Rog
Read
Read
Read
I ll give you basic lesson to help…
Lezer is Dutch for read
Leser is German for Dutch
It’s why people from Netherlands can speak so many languages . One helps the other . So they can discourse in Flemish ( old Dutch) ,German and also French because of historical links .
See my point ? |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 20:28 - Jan 4 with 342 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:27 - Jan 4 by lifelong |
What do you mean ‘It’s different’?
If I remember correctly you weren’t too bothered about saving lives in the 20mph thread. |
Oh, yet another misrepresentation, that's become typical of you.
If you remember what I said, do try, it was about the implementation being rubbish and they wasted money changing signs on roads only for them to be changed back.
If they had planned it and implemented it properly they would only have changed the signs that actually needed cjhanging and saved millions.
We have yet to find out (officially) how mnay lives it actually saved.
To be concise, you do not remember correctly. How many people have died on Welsh roads since they did this change?
PS, I was also all for other measures that would save more lives such as restrictions on learner drivers, more police on the roads and more speed cameras. Lets not let the truth get in the way of an attempted character assassination though, eh  | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 20:31 - Jan 4 with 336 views | majorraglan |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 18:41 - Jan 4 by onehunglow |
So his customers don’t understand English then
In business ,English the world language
Welsh speakers see any questioning if the language as a personal affront .
It’s not |
Most do but prefer to use Welsh, some have very very poor English (older people and farmer types down west) and have great difficulty using English.
I’m fluent in both languages so have the best of both worlds. There are times when speaking Welsh definitely brings an advantage to the table and others when it’s of no issue whatsoever. As you can tell I’m pro the Welsh language, but I’m not a zealot. [Post edited 4 Jan 20:32]
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 20:35 - Jan 4 with 325 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 17:06 - Jan 4 by onehunglow |
Having more oeople able to speak welsh does not in any way improve the country
It won’t bring down hospital waiting lists ,improve roads or the infrastructure
Are we looking at people being able to suffer in both languages
As long as people can communicate .
WTF difference does speaking welsh make
Let’s be frank,many detest the language being compulsory but they would be nuts to admit so publically ,as is obvious |
Thats like saying there is no point in making people well again unless they can go back to work to pay taxes.
Making people well again brings its own reward.
Likewise the welsh language brings is own reward.
Its of European significance and it should be valued and cherished.
Its an inspiring story of resistance and determination against overwhelming odds.
Yma o hyd indeed.
Yr hawl i fyw yn Gymraeg. |  |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 20:46 - Jan 4 with 308 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 20:31 - Jan 4 by majorraglan |
Most do but prefer to use Welsh, some have very very poor English (older people and farmer types down west) and have great difficulty using English.
I’m fluent in both languages so have the best of both worlds. There are times when speaking Welsh definitely brings an advantage to the table and others when it’s of no issue whatsoever. As you can tell I’m pro the Welsh language, but I’m not a zealot. [Post edited 4 Jan 20:32]
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And (despite what others say) is my whole argument. If people want to learn Welsh then great but should the Welsh government be prioritising it when there is such great need in our essential services?
NHS, schools, police, social care, shouldn't we be looking after the people first or is the language more important than the people? | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 21:33 - Jan 4 with 281 views | Plankton |
My workplace shoves it down our throats at every opportunity.
Dead language. | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:08 - Jan 4 with 257 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 20:46 - Jan 4 by SullutaCreturned |
And (despite what others say) is my whole argument. If people want to learn Welsh then great but should the Welsh government be prioritising it when there is such great need in our essential services?
NHS, schools, police, social care, shouldn't we be looking after the people first or is the language more important than the people? |
False narrative.
We want first class public services.
We want a positive, inclusive and vibrant welsh language.
We want both.
Tell you what ….. we could save a lot of money by chasing down Covid fraud, rejoining the EU, stopping involvement in illegal wars, dumping the costly royals and the HoL’s, getting fair funding for Wales from HS2 ….. see , we can have both as politics is really all about choices. | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:10 - Jan 4 with 254 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 21:33 - Jan 4 by Plankton |
My workplace shoves it down our throats at every opportunity.
Dead language. |
It will be here long after us lot, thats for sure …. | |
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| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 06:44 - Jan 5 with 154 views | Plankton |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 22:10 - Jan 4 by Kilkennyjack |
It will be here long after us lot, thats for sure …. |
Like those planks still campaigning for the slip bridge to be brought back.
Let it go, only Dalek sounding North Walians and arrogant West Wales farmers speak it and that's just to stealthily slag off people. | | | |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 09:22 - Jan 5 with 118 views | onehunglow |
| Gorllewin Abertawe Gŵyr on 19:02 - Jan 4 by union_jack |
Lesen😉 |
Fat fingers ,smart arse
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