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Both thought we were 'poor', but, god, they're boring to listen to. Hilarious that the interviewer describes the likes of Rosenoir as 'prolific', who was ordinary at best during his time with us, and Thorpe wasn't much cop either from memory.
Two ex-pros write off our showing, while our manager tells us we should be 'proud' of our performance - go figure, folks! I'll make up my own mind as usual!
I thought we incredibly poor first half not a great deal better second. As I live nearby I know a lot of Bristol C fans and generally they were shocked how bad we were considering our from.
I think (hope) the Wed match and then playing 12.30 on Saturday had a big influence. Hope so because that first half was one of the worst I can remember, no shots on or off target and 27% possession against a very average Championship side.
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Thorpe + Rosenoir on Brizzle game on 13:02 - Dec 16 with 1894 views
I thought they were both right to be honest, We were poor, similar performances produced hidings for us earlier in the season but we got through to half time 0-0 and managed to nick a point in the end through a mixture of good defending and some mistakes by Bristol City
Marti said pretty much the same after the game
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Thorpe + Rosenoir on Brizzle game on 13:11 - Dec 16 with 1832 views
Thorpe + Rosenoir on Brizzle game on 12:49 - Dec 16 by WestonsuperR
I thought we incredibly poor first half not a great deal better second. As I live nearby I know a lot of Bristol C fans and generally they were shocked how bad we were considering our from.
I think (hope) the Wed match and then playing 12.30 on Saturday had a big influence. Hope so because that first half was one of the worst I can remember, no shots on or off target and 27% possession against a very average Championship side.
Should have been at the Oxford game!
Needs must at the moment. So many players out injured, poor recruitment leaving us short in key positions and some out of form means a point away is great from a third game week. Sooner that than have Marti be like Russell Martin.
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Thorpe + Rosenoir on Brizzle game on 13:27 - Dec 16 with 1745 views
What an absolute fcking straw man presentation of what Cifuentes said. Wilfully misrepresenting his message, which was not we should be proud of how we played but that they should be proud that they managed to hang on in a game that 3 weeks ago we lose 3/4-0 and steal a point.
The wind up merchants on this board are really taking the silly season seriously this year
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Thorpe + Rosenoir on Brizzle game on 13:33 - Dec 16 with 1706 views
Thorpe + Rosenoir on Brizzle game on 13:27 - Dec 16 by dm97
What an absolute fcking straw man presentation of what Cifuentes said. Wilfully misrepresenting his message, which was not we should be proud of how we played but that they should be proud that they managed to hang on in a game that 3 weeks ago we lose 3/4-0 and steal a point.
The wind up merchants on this board are really taking the silly season seriously this year
Thorpe + Rosenoir on Brizzle game on 13:33 - Dec 16 by TheChef
Well s_e is always very silly
God, you're a monotonous twit, aren't you! Why not go away and, I dunno, make some vol-au-vents for a while, rather than embarrassing yourself again over your obsession with your tedious caricature of me and pathetic emojis! If you don't have anything worth reading to add to my threads (or anyone else's) other than childish idiocies, have the self-respect to shut the f*ck up!
MC said, twice, that 'the way the guys are currently performing is something to be proud of'. This after Oxford (first half) and Bristol (first half, but almost all of the second half too)!
I'm delighted with our points haul over recent games, but if you and dm don't find that problematic, you're (both) in denial!
Thorpe + Rosenoir on Brizzle game on 14:28 - Dec 16 by stainrods_elbow
God, you're a monotonous twit, aren't you! Why not go away and, I dunno, make some vol-au-vents for a while, rather than embarrassing yourself again over your obsession with your tedious caricature of me and pathetic emojis! If you don't have anything worth reading to add to my threads (or anyone else's) other than childish idiocies, have the self-respect to shut the f*ck up!
MC said, twice, that 'the way the guys are currently performing is something to be proud of'. This after Oxford (first half) and Bristol (first half, but almost all of the second half too)!
I'm delighted with our points haul over recent games, but if you and dm don't find that problematic, you're (both) in denial!
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He is referring to the work the players are doing having turned the results around without numerous players due to injuries etc. I think we should be proud of them, they could have given up, but haven't hidden and are getting the results we need. MC has already said he isn't happy playing this way. Pretty sure once key players are back we'll see an improvement.
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Thorpe + Rosenoir on Brizzle game on 19:53 - Dec 16 with 953 views
He is referring to the work the players are doing having turned the results around without numerous players due to injuries etc. I think we should be proud of them, they could have given up, but haven't hidden and are getting the results we need. MC has already said he isn't happy playing this way. Pretty sure once key players are back we'll see an improvement.
I get that, but I still just don't rate some of the performances as anything like as creditable, overall, as the manager (who has to be seen to talk us up, like all managers) and others appear to. As for players 'giving up' because some of their teammates are getting treatment remotely from Dubai, you seem to be saying that wouldn't have been surprising! In fact, as I'm sure most people would agree, 100% effort is the minimum requirement, no matter how bad the injury list gets! Have some standards for the players, and some respect for the fanbase! If anything, it should be the reverse - the players who are coming in have an opportunity to show what they can do (or, in some cases, what they can't do)!
With Chair coming back, we only have three significant injuries, all of whom we're told are imminent returnees (and in fact were supposed to be back by now), and the likes of Frey were hardly tearing up trees before this, so that issue becomes a smaller and smaller fig leaf going forwards. Meanwhile, it worries me that MC cites the extra day of prep that Brizzle had as some kind of mitigation for that utterly execrable first half performance and barely improved second half, as well as their superior athleticism. That's why and where my patience runs thin, and my frustration kicks in. If we're not as 'athletic' as our opponents, why not, and what are the coaches and backroom staff doing about it? And how is it that other teams with three or four out don't revert to such an enshelled first 65 minutes, we might as well have played a flotilla of prawns (25% possession and no shots)?
To sum it all up, in recent weeks, while I'd be churlish not to give us some credit for defensive resilience, organisation, and a creditable/somewhat reassuring, if perplexing, points tally, and the Norwich performance was certainly very committed, this manager and his players still have some way to go for me to take them fully seriously and make me feel they don't look for excuses to cover up massively scary failings in their performances.
Thorpe + Rosenoir on Brizzle game on 14:00 - Dec 17 by stainrods_elbow
I get that, but I still just don't rate some of the performances as anything like as creditable, overall, as the manager (who has to be seen to talk us up, like all managers) and others appear to. As for players 'giving up' because some of their teammates are getting treatment remotely from Dubai, you seem to be saying that wouldn't have been surprising! In fact, as I'm sure most people would agree, 100% effort is the minimum requirement, no matter how bad the injury list gets! Have some standards for the players, and some respect for the fanbase! If anything, it should be the reverse - the players who are coming in have an opportunity to show what they can do (or, in some cases, what they can't do)!
With Chair coming back, we only have three significant injuries, all of whom we're told are imminent returnees (and in fact were supposed to be back by now), and the likes of Frey were hardly tearing up trees before this, so that issue becomes a smaller and smaller fig leaf going forwards. Meanwhile, it worries me that MC cites the extra day of prep that Brizzle had as some kind of mitigation for that utterly execrable first half performance and barely improved second half, as well as their superior athleticism. That's why and where my patience runs thin, and my frustration kicks in. If we're not as 'athletic' as our opponents, why not, and what are the coaches and backroom staff doing about it? And how is it that other teams with three or four out don't revert to such an enshelled first 65 minutes, we might as well have played a flotilla of prawns (25% possession and no shots)?
To sum it all up, in recent weeks, while I'd be churlish not to give us some credit for defensive resilience, organisation, and a creditable/somewhat reassuring, if perplexing, points tally, and the Norwich performance was certainly very committed, this manager and his players still have some way to go for me to take them fully seriously and make me feel they don't look for excuses to cover up massively scary failings in their performances.
[Post edited 17 Dec 14:03]
The physio and Dr's are not remote in Dubai are they, that wouldn't make any sense?
Its the head of performance and conditioning who is remote. From what I read he has built a team at the training ground who follow his leadership and ethos to maintain what was initiated last year. --This is common practice in other industries. Build the team, teach the team, let the team perform with minimal interaction, unless you need to get stuck in again.
As for the other point, in the interviews I've seen from Marti, he is saying quite clearly that although we have picked up points we have not played well, and the squad needs to be strengthened in January. He has been pleased with the effort the players have been putting in.
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