| Dykes 19:29 - Oct 11 with 9028 views | stainrods_elbow |
Has scored four goals in a year! Four! In a year!
How many (assuming we don't find him a suitor in Jan) would you back him to score this season? Five if we're lucky?
Has Armstrong even scored four goals in his entire career? He can sit on the bench and just look evil for a bit. Not a starter for me right now either.
Right now, I can't see we lose anything by not even playing with a false 9. Let's not play with any kind of 9, go 3-7-0, inundate the midfield, confuse the opposition/ourselves, and see what happens. Tippy tap, close-the gaps, possession-based football, and a few snap/potshots for fun as soon as we get 35 yards from goal.
Now off for my lie-down and meds. Wake me up when the board's swung the axe! [Post edited 11 Oct 2023 19:29]
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| Dykes on 17:08 - Oct 12 with 2413 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Dykes on 16:43 - Oct 12 by gazza1 |
If he COULD do more he WOULD do more but he CAN'T........ |
Does for Scotland,
But then again he's playing with head-up footballers like McGinn, McGregor & Christie who can pass first time & break the line to receive a return pass, maybe, just maybe, that's the difference. |  | | |
| Dykes on 17:30 - Oct 12 with 2339 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dykes on 16:43 - Oct 12 by gazza1 |
If he COULD do more he WOULD do more but he CAN'T........ |
Yes he CAN. He DOES more for Scotland and fleetingly shows glimpses of what he CAN do for QPR (e.g. Sheffield United).
Now that's not to say that it's entirely his fault but it's clear that on occasion he can do more. That all being said, there are bigger problems to solve at QPR than Dykes. [Post edited 12 Oct 2023 17:32]
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| Dykes on 18:08 - Oct 12 with 2292 views | flynnbo |
| Dykes on 14:33 - Oct 12 by Northernr |
He has little streaks, and then long barren spells.
I find him incredibly frustrating. He scores goals like that one against Swansea and you think MY GOD, and then with much easier chances and much better crosses he spaffs things up the wall.
He has performances like Sheff Utd at home last year where he charges around smashing centre backs up, and then others like the last couple where he's just anonymous and not there (you don't need good service to knock the centre backs around a bit).
He's a different beast for Scotland than he is for us, and we pay his salary. |
Also playing with far superior players. |  | | |
| Dykes on 18:23 - Oct 12 with 2265 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Dykes on 16:31 - Oct 12 by gazza1 |
Some unbelievable stuff on this thread!!!!
He is a pretty poor striker, nearly a 'proper' poor striker.
Good strikers score goals, he rarely does.
If we had a chance to sell him during the window for 2 million, like many people suggested, we have made another error of judgement.
I would play Armstrong ahead of him most weeks and he is pretty average apart from his aggressive play. |
I enjoy watching Armstrong put himself about, but come on, he has piss poor control and dribbling ability, is piss poor in the air and zero goal scoring instinct. A battering ram and not much else.
From what little I have seen of Kolli, there is aggression, good in the air, quick feet and he scored a couple of pearlers in a development squad game. You don’t score goals like that through pure luck, you need good technique and awareness. It’s instinctive and something that Armstrong simply does not have.
Well worth more than a cameo appearance from the bench. | | | |
| Dykes on 18:48 - Oct 12 with 2216 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Dykes on 12:01 - Oct 12 by dmm |
It's bad enough putting huge expectations on the shoulders of 20 year old Armstrong. To do the same to 18 year old Kolli would be worse, and potentially damaging to his mental health and career. |
Nonsense, he’s jomping at the bit to get out there and show what he’s made of.
I remember Rooney playing at sixteen in the Prem, he was like a man (kid) possessed, frightened the life out of opposition defenders. Absolutely no fear.
Mental health my arse. Not everyone wilts at the first sign of a challenge put in front of them. What we need now more than ever, is some grit and determination from everyone. No room for shrinking violets in our current predicament. | | | |
| Dykes on 19:18 - Oct 12 with 2181 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Dykes on 18:23 - Oct 12 by Burnleyhoop |
I enjoy watching Armstrong put himself about, but come on, he has piss poor control and dribbling ability, is piss poor in the air and zero goal scoring instinct. A battering ram and not much else.
From what little I have seen of Kolli, there is aggression, good in the air, quick feet and he scored a couple of pearlers in a development squad game. You don’t score goals like that through pure luck, you need good technique and awareness. It’s instinctive and something that Armstrong simply does not have.
Well worth more than a cameo appearance from the bench. |
I agree with all of this, with exception of Armstrong's aerial prowess, be good to see some crosses sent in to him as he has some leap on him. | | | |
| Dykes on 19:59 - Oct 12 with 2097 views | dmm |
| Dykes on 18:48 - Oct 12 by Burnleyhoop |
Nonsense, he’s jomping at the bit to get out there and show what he’s made of.
I remember Rooney playing at sixteen in the Prem, he was like a man (kid) possessed, frightened the life out of opposition defenders. Absolutely no fear.
Mental health my arse. Not everyone wilts at the first sign of a challenge put in front of them. What we need now more than ever, is some grit and determination from everyone. No room for shrinking violets in our current predicament. |
Oh, I see. Kolli is Rooney mk 2 and we're like Everton who finished 7th in the PL in his debut season. I take it all back now. |  | | |
| Dykes on 20:03 - Oct 12 with 2085 views | davman |
| Dykes on 19:18 - Oct 12 by ParkRoyalR |
I agree with all of this, with exception of Armstrong's aerial prowess, be good to see some crosses sent in to him as he has some leap on him. |
Armstrong should be on loan at a League One club and Kolli at League Two. But, because of the clubs pss poor management of their development, they are forced in to playing minutes for a crap team losing week in week out with little prospect of development because we do not have anyone else in the building. Should be nowhere near regular starters for a Championship team with ambition.
Utterly shambolic.
...and Dykes is no goalscorer. As much as he can't be faulted for effort (although he was utterly shocking on Saturday), he won't get any more than 10 in this team. And as the only senior credible striker at the club, no competition, so no matter how crap he plays, he's back in next week. |  |
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| Dykes on 21:22 - Oct 12 with 1981 views | ThGrimRanger |
hard to believe that’s he’s playing as lone striker away to spain in a team drawing after 70 mins - it’s like a fecking parallel universe |  |
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| Dykes on 21:32 - Oct 12 with 1935 views | gazza1 |
| Dykes on 17:08 - Oct 12 by ParkRoyalR |
Does for Scotland,
But then again he's playing with head-up footballers like McGinn, McGregor & Christie who can pass first time & break the line to receive a return pass, maybe, just maybe, that's the difference. |
Well......he started for Scotland tonight. He plays up to when Spain score and then he is replaced, the CF that is played to score goals and he gets replaced when they go a goal down. Work that one out!!!! | | | |
| Dykes on 21:35 - Oct 12 with 1929 views | gazza1 |
| Dykes on 18:23 - Oct 12 by Burnleyhoop |
I enjoy watching Armstrong put himself about, but come on, he has piss poor control and dribbling ability, is piss poor in the air and zero goal scoring instinct. A battering ram and not much else.
From what little I have seen of Kolli, there is aggression, good in the air, quick feet and he scored a couple of pearlers in a development squad game. You don’t score goals like that through pure luck, you need good technique and awareness. It’s instinctive and something that Armstrong simply does not have.
Well worth more than a cameo appearance from the bench. |
I thought you were talking about Dykes in your first para......
Not seen enough of Koli but not impressed me thus far, needs a fooking haircut though!!!! | | | |
| Dykes on 21:36 - Oct 12 with 1924 views | gazza1 |
| Dykes on 17:30 - Oct 12 by Benny_the_Ball |
Yes he CAN. He DOES more for Scotland and fleetingly shows glimpses of what he CAN do for QPR (e.g. Sheffield United).
Now that's not to say that it's entirely his fault but it's clear that on occasion he can do more. That all being said, there are bigger problems to solve at QPR than Dykes. [Post edited 12 Oct 2023 17:32]
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Dykes is one of the main problems.....if we dont score we dont win!!! | | | |
| Dykes on 22:16 - Oct 12 with 1847 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Dykes on 16:19 - Oct 12 by dmm |
Pompous, rude and self opinionated as ever. |
It's a football message board - it's for opinions, disagreements, friction and a bit of fierce feeling! If you don't like that kind of thing, or don't like mine, just go and watch TV or take up knitting, eh? | |
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| Dykes on 23:16 - Oct 12 with 1706 views | DannyPaddox |
| Dykes on 22:16 - Oct 12 by stainrods_elbow |
It's a football message board - it's for opinions, disagreements, friction and a bit of fierce feeling! If you don't like that kind of thing, or don't like mine, just go and watch TV or take up knitting, eh? |
Knitting and Loft For Words are not mutually exclusive. |  | | |
| Dykes on 00:23 - Oct 13 with 1652 views | kensalriser |
| Dykes on 21:35 - Oct 12 by gazza1 |
I thought you were talking about Dykes in your first para......
Not seen enough of Koli but not impressed me thus far, needs a fooking haircut though!!!! |
Why does he need a haircut? It's not the 50s any more. |  |
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| Dykes on 08:41 - Oct 13 with 1453 views | gazza1 |
| Dykes on 22:16 - Oct 12 by stainrods_elbow |
It's a football message board - it's for opinions, disagreements, friction and a bit of fierce feeling! If you don't like that kind of thing, or don't like mine, just go and watch TV or take up knitting, eh? |
Many do not like conflicting opinions.....many just click on the ignore button - I find it pathetic. Why not just make your point and discuss?? | | | |
| Dykes on 08:54 - Oct 13 with 1416 views | slmrstid |
I actually think one of the big differences in Dykes between Scotland and QPR is for Scotland they are frequently an underdog, or certainly playing in a counter-attacking manner, and Dykes isn't expected to be the main leading man providing all the goals.
For QPR he is our #9 - the number 1 striker and expected to contribute lots of goals.
He is not a natural goal scorer. It means for Scotland he is able to do what he is expected to do, and for QPR he is not. And I think that plays into the perceptions we have of him. |  | | |
| Dykes on 09:05 - Oct 13 with 1391 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Dykes on 08:54 - Oct 13 by slmrstid |
I actually think one of the big differences in Dykes between Scotland and QPR is for Scotland they are frequently an underdog, or certainly playing in a counter-attacking manner, and Dykes isn't expected to be the main leading man providing all the goals.
For QPR he is our #9 - the number 1 striker and expected to contribute lots of goals.
He is not a natural goal scorer. It means for Scotland he is able to do what he is expected to do, and for QPR he is not. And I think that plays into the perceptions we have of him. |
Correct,
Warburton did'nt buy him as a goal-scorer, he bought him as a focal point of a possession based team that could contribute goals from all the attacking players,
But, as Gazza says, people should'nt be upset by opinions, so to be honest, some of our fans are as thick as mince and still hav'nt understood this and never will,
Thought paying £1.8m for a converted winger from the Scottish 1st Division and offering £7k/week in wages would get them the next Clive Allen! | | | |
| Dykes on 09:19 - Oct 13 with 1361 views | gazza1 |
| Dykes on 09:05 - Oct 13 by ParkRoyalR |
Correct,
Warburton did'nt buy him as a goal-scorer, he bought him as a focal point of a possession based team that could contribute goals from all the attacking players,
But, as Gazza says, people should'nt be upset by opinions, so to be honest, some of our fans are as thick as mince and still hav'nt understood this and never will,
Thought paying £1.8m for a converted winger from the Scottish 1st Division and offering £7k/week in wages would get them the next Clive Allen! |
Hang on PRR, you suggesting I'm as 'thick as mince'!!!! (never heard that one before)
I'm pretty sure he was signed to score goals and plenty of them.....he cant do much else, in fact, he cant even do that. His control of a football is 'park quality'. He has done one top quality thing this year - scored a very good header against Swansea, the rest has been pretty average. | | | |
| Dykes on 10:21 - Oct 13 with 1252 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Dykes on 09:19 - Oct 13 by gazza1 |
Hang on PRR, you suggesting I'm as 'thick as mince'!!!! (never heard that one before)
I'm pretty sure he was signed to score goals and plenty of them.....he cant do much else, in fact, he cant even do that. His control of a football is 'park quality'. He has done one top quality thing this year - scored a very good header against Swansea, the rest has been pretty average. |
Gazza, If you think Dykes was signed to score goals you are insulting Warburton's intelligence,
You actually believe Warburton bought a winger who played most of his football in the Scottish First Division, having scored very few goals, on the basis of his ability to score goals in the Championship?
Armstrong's control may be as you describe below (Barnsley away last year stands out) which is odd you wanting him to start ahead of Dykes, but Dykes would not be leading the line for Scotland if his control was 'park quality'.
Dykes is not the problem, our lack of possession and ability to create more than 1 or 2 chances per game is, t/w an inability to defend as a team. | | | |
| Dykes on 10:23 - Oct 13 with 1243 views | Bluce_Ree |
| Dykes on 09:05 - Oct 13 by ParkRoyalR |
Correct,
Warburton did'nt buy him as a goal-scorer, he bought him as a focal point of a possession based team that could contribute goals from all the attacking players,
But, as Gazza says, people should'nt be upset by opinions, so to be honest, some of our fans are as thick as mince and still hav'nt understood this and never will,
Thought paying £1.8m for a converted winger from the Scottish 1st Division and offering £7k/week in wages would get them the next Clive Allen! |
Buying a striker and playing him up front but not "as a goal-scorer" sounds a bit like buying a keeper for his heading ability rather than as shot stopper or buying a defender for his beautiful singing ability.
Or playing Matthew Brazier because of his 'creativity with set pieces' which was an actual thing that happened. |  |
| Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. Stefan Moore, Stefan Moore running down the wing. He runs like a cheetah, his crosses couldn't be sweeter. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. Stefan Moore. |
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| Dykes on 10:26 - Oct 13 with 1230 views | Burnleyhoop |
| Dykes on 19:18 - Oct 12 by ParkRoyalR |
I agree with all of this, with exception of Armstrong's aerial prowess, be good to see some crosses sent in to him as he has some leap on him. |
He can jump, but unless the timing, positioning and technique is there, your just jumping for jumping's sake.
Dykes is good in the air, reasonable on the deck, but has little instinct for being in the right place when it comes to creating scoring opportunities. Would be a good foil for somebody that has, which we don't have unfortunately. | | | |
| Dykes on 10:37 - Oct 13 with 1176 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Dykes on 10:23 - Oct 13 by Bluce_Ree |
Buying a striker and playing him up front but not "as a goal-scorer" sounds a bit like buying a keeper for his heading ability rather than as shot stopper or buying a defender for his beautiful singing ability.
Or playing Matthew Brazier because of his 'creativity with set pieces' which was an actual thing that happened. |
If buying an out & out goal-scorer, I would be targeting a 1 in 2 return (20+ goals),
In buying Dykes I'd say Warburton was hoping for a 1 in 3 (15 goals) more likely a 1 in 4 (10-12 goals) return, which is his scoring ratio for Scotland.
In a Warburton type team (or a team with creative ball players like Eze & Willock who pass the ball first time) Dykes imo, when injury free and based on recent improvement in his positional play, would / should score 1 in 3. | | | |
| Dykes on 11:35 - Oct 13 with 1095 views | slmrstid |
| Dykes on 10:37 - Oct 13 by ParkRoyalR |
If buying an out & out goal-scorer, I would be targeting a 1 in 2 return (20+ goals),
In buying Dykes I'd say Warburton was hoping for a 1 in 3 (15 goals) more likely a 1 in 4 (10-12 goals) return, which is his scoring ratio for Scotland.
In a Warburton type team (or a team with creative ball players like Eze & Willock who pass the ball first time) Dykes imo, when injury free and based on recent improvement in his positional play, would / should score 1 in 3. |
Giving it some more thought in a sense I'd say its similar to Heidar Helguson. We think very highly of Heidar now but he was never much more than a 10-12 goal a season man, and wasnt massively liked when he was expected to be the main man and couldn't be. But his other all round play was excellent, and he really came into his own when someone of Taarabt's quality came in who could contribute 15+ on top of that. Charlie Austin could/should have been the man to bring more out and let Lyndon be the foil to the top man but Charlie MkII could never replicate Charlie MkI.
Although I would say Helguson overall was a much better player than Lyndon. I do remember him scoring a hattrick at Blackpool once pre-Taarabt but then I think he had Routledge laying some of those on for him which helps when you've got someone that good with you (accept my memory may be a bit off here).
Lyndon would be much better if we had better players helping him. But then to be honest you could probably say that about a lot of our bunch. | | | |
| Dykes on 13:16 - Oct 13 with 999 views | gazza1 |
| Dykes on 10:21 - Oct 13 by ParkRoyalR |
Gazza, If you think Dykes was signed to score goals you are insulting Warburton's intelligence,
You actually believe Warburton bought a winger who played most of his football in the Scottish First Division, having scored very few goals, on the basis of his ability to score goals in the Championship?
Armstrong's control may be as you describe below (Barnsley away last year stands out) which is odd you wanting him to start ahead of Dykes, but Dykes would not be leading the line for Scotland if his control was 'park quality'.
Dykes is not the problem, our lack of possession and ability to create more than 1 or 2 chances per game is, t/w an inability to defend as a team. |
Well its all about opinion PRR.......
Yes I 100% believe that MW bought Dykes to play him as CF and to bag a bundle of goals. He must have seen something in him to think he could make him into a goalscoring CF.
Never heard anything like that he was/is a winger!!! He has zero attributes to play as a winger!!!! and think it is madness to even think that MW bought him in to play wide right winger.
Initially this season I thought Dykes was our No1 CF (Not because he was any good but because we had zero others) but after watching him in the first 15 goals or so I prefer Armstrong, purely because Dykes has been very poor and at least Armstrong puts himself about and has got genuine pace and shows up for the long ball out of defence..
We have to start getting into goalscoring positions, Dykes rarely does, and when a opportunity arises you need to score, not miss 9/10. Possession is a major issue but we need to take our chances when they arrive. | | | |
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