| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride 09:29 - Jul 31 with 3979 views | dna |
Apologies for the length of the post, perhaps I'm old, but has PC gone mad???
A revamped version of Disneyland's famed Snow White ride is drawing backlash for portraying the 'true love's kiss' scene, which critics say undermines lessons about consent by portraying the Prince kissing Snow White while she is asleep.
'A kiss he gives to her without her consent, while she's asleep, which cannot possibly be true love if only one person knows it's happening,'
In the new movie, Rachel Zegler (a Latino 'actor') has been cast as Snow White
“People are making these jokes about ours being the PC Snow White, where it’s like, yeah, it is — because it needed that,” says Zegler
The Snow White remake won’t have its title character waiting around for a prince to come to save her. Zegler says that Snow White is “dreaming of becoming the leader she knows she can be, and the leader that her late father told her that she could be"
Photos from the Snow White set revealed that the seven characters accompanying Snow White weren’t all dwarfs. They were actors of different heights, races, and genders.
I give up!!
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| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 12:57 - Aug 1 with 869 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 10:50 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
As I said earlier, it's getting better all the time (thankfully) and that's in part to do with female role models.
That's all I've really been saying in this thread; real life examples raise aspirations.
The fact I've had push back speaks volumes. |
Real life examples do raise aspirations but Snow White isn't reality.
If girls need role models they are better looking at the femaile politicians, I'll even include Michelle Mone in that. She got greedy but she did very well in business beforehand. Then look at the female sports stars.
The only thing holding women back these days is the old boys network and the ladies themselves a bit maybe?
Disney is meant to be kids entertainment, there's more uplift in Rosa Parks or Ellie Simmonds. |  | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:09 - Aug 1 with 859 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 12:57 - Aug 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Real life examples do raise aspirations but Snow White isn't reality.
If girls need role models they are better looking at the femaile politicians, I'll even include Michelle Mone in that. She got greedy but she did very well in business beforehand. Then look at the female sports stars.
The only thing holding women back these days is the old boys network and the ladies themselves a bit maybe?
Disney is meant to be kids entertainment, there's more uplift in Rosa Parks or Ellie Simmonds. |
Should girls have role models in stories? | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:21 - Aug 1 with 845 views | controversial_jack |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 12:31 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
So you’ve no issue with the OP on Disney changes then?
Tidy. We’re on the same page. |
I don't watch Disney films. I like equality of opportunity and meritocracy. I don't like social engineering or positive discrimination | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:33 - Aug 1 with 844 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:09 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
Should girls have role models in stories? |
Should any of us take a character from a work of fiction and use them as a role model?
I'd say no, there are lots of real people we can use. You shouldn't aspire to be like the lead in a fairy tale, the outcome is fixed, the story not real and real life absolutely is not a fairy story.
These films can make you happy, that's their aim after all, However, there is a reason grown ups stop watching them unless it;s with their young kids.
For positive role models see Aung San Suu Kyi, Sylvia Plath, Michelle Obama or Maya Angelou. But not Snow White or Cinderella, not Mulan or Ariel. | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:36 - Aug 1 with 844 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:21 - Aug 1 by controversial_jack |
I don't watch Disney films. I like equality of opportunity and meritocracy. I don't like social engineering or positive discrimination |
Absolutely agree.
And to achieve that we have to make sure this everyone (and in this discussion, girls) are exposed to all options.
Look at UK women’s football. Before world war 2 it was massive with huge attendances. Then the FA banned it. Now the World Cup is live as I type on free or air TV. Any girl has the chance to look at Lucy Bronze or Sam Kerr and think ‘that could be me’.
Same in stories and films.
If we just let the market provide we’ll be left with Love Island, Instagram filters and The Only Way is Essex.
Fortunately we’re better than that and improving all the time. | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:41 - Aug 1 with 843 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:33 - Aug 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Should any of us take a character from a work of fiction and use them as a role model?
I'd say no, there are lots of real people we can use. You shouldn't aspire to be like the lead in a fairy tale, the outcome is fixed, the story not real and real life absolutely is not a fairy story.
These films can make you happy, that's their aim after all, However, there is a reason grown ups stop watching them unless it;s with their young kids.
For positive role models see Aung San Suu Kyi, Sylvia Plath, Michelle Obama or Maya Angelou. But not Snow White or Cinderella, not Mulan or Ariel. |
It should be reflected in the stories they read and that’s my point. They should be exposed to all.
Would you be happy if a young female relative of yours could only watch films/read books with damsel in distress type characters?
In exactly the same way any library should have stories with disabled characters, all ethnicities etc. | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:58 - Aug 1 with 836 views | onehunglow |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:41 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
It should be reflected in the stories they read and that’s my point. They should be exposed to all.
Would you be happy if a young female relative of yours could only watch films/read books with damsel in distress type characters?
In exactly the same way any library should have stories with disabled characters, all ethnicities etc. |
Yet, we still bring up children to belief that the family religious belief is the right one.
It the most damaging aspect of all.
You seem to make out previous generation were wrong ,as many now seem to do.
Kids knew the difference between real guns and toy guns too. | |
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| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 14:19 - Aug 1 with 828 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:58 - Aug 1 by onehunglow |
Yet, we still bring up children to belief that the family religious belief is the right one.
It the most damaging aspect of all.
You seem to make out previous generation were wrong ,as many now seem to do.
Kids knew the difference between real guns and toy guns too. |
I don’t think we do bring children up in that way - we’re a secular society now.
No blame on previous generations at all, just saying the development of women’s rights and choices has been a good thing. | | | |
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| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 15:13 - Aug 1 with 811 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Strong female characters have always been a thing. When I was growing up it was Sarah Connor and Ripley from Alien kicking arse. They were good characters because they were well written had a good narrative, obstacles to overcome and genuine vulnerability. Even though they were ridiculously over the top they were still believable.
Now we have “strong women” like Rey in Star Wars who is just perfect at everything from the first minute, never loses, learns every force ability within seconds and just sails through her trilogy unchallenged before defeating the emperor easily.
It’s just bad writing. |  |
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| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 15:33 - Aug 1 with 801 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:41 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
It should be reflected in the stories they read and that’s my point. They should be exposed to all.
Would you be happy if a young female relative of yours could only watch films/read books with damsel in distress type characters?
In exactly the same way any library should have stories with disabled characters, all ethnicities etc. |
Well yes, stories should represent everyone but even so fictional characters shouldn't be touted as a role model.
It's fiction because it's not real.
When kids are very young let them fantasize, tell them there's a Santa, a tooth fairy and Easter bunny but the day comes when they should know the truth. | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 15:49 - Aug 1 with 795 views | controversial_jack |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 13:36 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
Absolutely agree.
And to achieve that we have to make sure this everyone (and in this discussion, girls) are exposed to all options.
Look at UK women’s football. Before world war 2 it was massive with huge attendances. Then the FA banned it. Now the World Cup is live as I type on free or air TV. Any girl has the chance to look at Lucy Bronze or Sam Kerr and think ‘that could be me’.
Same in stories and films.
If we just let the market provide we’ll be left with Love Island, Instagram filters and The Only Way is Essex.
Fortunately we’re better than that and improving all the time. |
It's great to see women enjoying football, but if they were in competition with men, they would be absolutely battered every game. The point being, everyone can have equal opportunities, but equal outcomes are far for guaranteed | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 15:55 - Aug 1 with 793 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 15:33 - Aug 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Well yes, stories should represent everyone but even so fictional characters shouldn't be touted as a role model.
It's fiction because it's not real.
When kids are very young let them fantasize, tell them there's a Santa, a tooth fairy and Easter bunny but the day comes when they should know the truth. |
In that case why should stories reflect everyone?
I’d say because they should reflect everyday life and in turn what we an aspire to and achieve.
I’m really surprised that saying some Disney films having independent female role models is a good thing.
Perhaps we don’t have many posters with young female relatives 🤷🏻 | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 15:59 - Aug 1 with 791 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 15:13 - Aug 1 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Strong female characters have always been a thing. When I was growing up it was Sarah Connor and Ripley from Alien kicking arse. They were good characters because they were well written had a good narrative, obstacles to overcome and genuine vulnerability. Even though they were ridiculously over the top they were still believable.
Now we have “strong women” like Rey in Star Wars who is just perfect at everything from the first minute, never loses, learns every force ability within seconds and just sails through her trilogy unchallenged before defeating the emperor easily.
It’s just bad writing. |
They weren’t a thing when Disney were making fairy stories for the first 60 odd years of their existence.
If you were a girl you could be a wicked stepmother, a wicked queen, a damsel in distress, a fairy godmother or an ugly sister.
If you were a boy you could be Prince Charming, the king who loves his children, a good hearted woodcutter or simply the hero.
Now there’s a choice. Girls can watch either or all. That’s a good thing. | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 16:02 - Aug 1 with 789 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 15:49 - Aug 1 by controversial_jack |
It's great to see women enjoying football, but if they were in competition with men, they would be absolutely battered every game. The point being, everyone can have equal opportunities, but equal outcomes are far for guaranteed |
But they didn’t have opportunities did they? Now they can the game is growing.
Same with film, art, literature and the media in general. If it’s seen it can be aspired to. [Post edited 1 Aug 2023 16:23]
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| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 17:13 - Aug 1 with 776 views | onehunglow |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 15:59 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
They weren’t a thing when Disney were making fairy stories for the first 60 odd years of their existence.
If you were a girl you could be a wicked stepmother, a wicked queen, a damsel in distress, a fairy godmother or an ugly sister.
If you were a boy you could be Prince Charming, the king who loves his children, a good hearted woodcutter or simply the hero.
Now there’s a choice. Girls can watch either or all. That’s a good thing. |
Was at a festival weekend last Sunday in New Brighton.
The kids entertainer,Mr Tumble, started his show with
Hello boys and girls,which started me thinking in these days of gender reassignments and identification.
It seems we are giving problems to very young kids to deal with viewing the world through our eyes not theirs . | |
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| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 17:15 - Aug 1 with 775 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 17:13 - Aug 1 by onehunglow |
Was at a festival weekend last Sunday in New Brighton.
The kids entertainer,Mr Tumble, started his show with
Hello boys and girls,which started me thinking in these days of gender reassignments and identification.
It seems we are giving problems to very young kids to deal with viewing the world through our eyes not theirs . |
Fair play, that’s nothing to do with my post or the OP. | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 17:36 - Aug 1 with 768 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 15:55 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
In that case why should stories reflect everyone?
I’d say because they should reflect everyday life and in turn what we an aspire to and achieve.
I’m really surprised that saying some Disney films having independent female role models is a good thing.
Perhaps we don’t have many posters with young female relatives 🤷🏻 |
Well fairy tales reflect everyone, including fictional beings, trolls, ogres, centaurs and like those fictional beings the stories are fiction. They are meant to be enjoyed but not taken seriously.
Like I said, kids can enjoy being kids but one day reality must intrude and you don't want an 18 year old holding a fictional warrior princess up as her role model, do you?
Wouldn't you rather Curie, Barret-Browning or Ada Lovelace? | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 19:39 - Aug 1 with 750 views | controversial_jack |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 16:02 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
But they didn’t have opportunities did they? Now they can the game is growing.
Same with film, art, literature and the media in general. If it’s seen it can be aspired to. [Post edited 1 Aug 2023 16:23]
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Yes, and that’s great, but is it just a fad? Can it keep growing as a spectator sport when it’s clearly an inferior product compared to the mens game? | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 19:47 - Aug 1 with 747 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 17:36 - Aug 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Well fairy tales reflect everyone, including fictional beings, trolls, ogres, centaurs and like those fictional beings the stories are fiction. They are meant to be enjoyed but not taken seriously.
Like I said, kids can enjoy being kids but one day reality must intrude and you don't want an 18 year old holding a fictional warrior princess up as her role model, do you?
Wouldn't you rather Curie, Barret-Browning or Ada Lovelace? |
Hard to explain those to four year olds, though.
Again, I’m very surprised that such a vanilla position as stating some stories should have strong female leads in them should prove so controversial. | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 19:49 - Aug 1 with 746 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 19:39 - Aug 1 by controversial_jack |
Yes, and that’s great, but is it just a fad? Can it keep growing as a spectator sport when it’s clearly an inferior product compared to the mens game? |
Hopefully along with all sport it’ll continue to grow. The drop out rate once girls hit early teens is still horrendous.
They’ll be left feeling inferior looking at unrealistic depictions of the female form on the internet and the rest of the media.
That’s where unhappiness lies, I’m afraid. | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 20:34 - Aug 1 with 724 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 19:47 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
Hard to explain those to four year olds, though.
Again, I’m very surprised that such a vanilla position as stating some stories should have strong female leads in them should prove so controversial. |
Can't we just let 4 year olds be 4 year olds though? It's not that I'm against having a good female lead Im just saying it's a fairytale, it's not real and kids kinda know that. They are smarter than we think.
Like I said, theres no need to re-write just make up a new chapter to reflect that in the original things were more like that but for newer generations thngs have changed. | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 20:37 - Aug 1 with 720 views | Gwyn737 |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 20:34 - Aug 1 by SullutaCreturned |
Can't we just let 4 year olds be 4 year olds though? It's not that I'm against having a good female lead Im just saying it's a fairytale, it's not real and kids kinda know that. They are smarter than we think.
Like I said, theres no need to re-write just make up a new chapter to reflect that in the original things were more like that but for newer generations thngs have changed. |
As long as there’s a variety Cat I’m happy.
Kids are smart but sadly they’re under attack from some very clever algorithms.
They need us fighting their corner or as I’ve said, Love Island will be the norm for them - the 2020s version of princesses. | | | |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 20:47 - Aug 1 with 716 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Politically Correct Snow White Film Re-make/Theme Park Ride on 20:37 - Aug 1 by Gwyn737 |
As long as there’s a variety Cat I’m happy.
Kids are smart but sadly they’re under attack from some very clever algorithms.
They need us fighting their corner or as I’ve said, Love Island will be the norm for them - the 2020s version of princesses. |
Agreed, we need t fight their corner.
I dont see a fairytale as having any great impact either way but what is going on with AI is a different thing. | | | |
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