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How pleasing to see GA ditch the passing backwards and sideways and be more direct.Some May call it long ball but it suits our boys much more.If we are going to lose the ball better to do it in their half than ours.Great performance,LR was rocking.
Bizarre opinions on this thread here's where I am after 45 years supporting this mad house: I'm fed up with us losing football matches, surrendering in cups, being bullied on the field, having mates offer commiserations when I say who I support. I'm fed up with losing London Derbies, staying up till 4am seeing us lose pathetically again. I'm fed up with backwards passing, sideways passing. Zero effort from players who wear our cherished shirt. I'm 50 now and hopefully my marbles stay intact for another 30 years. So in that 30 years if we kick teams in the air, play long ball, cross to 2 X big men I really don't give a rat's.....just give me something to smile about Gareth.
This is such a bizarre reaction. Insulting to who? Not to NorthernR?! Pointing out that he has a prominent role in the fan base compared to the average fan. Explain how that is 1) not true? 2) an insult to him?
Seeing as it obviously not an insult to him then you must mean it is an insult to other fans who may have read my post saying he has an outsized influence. Well to put you at ease Antti after you have got so upset.
If anyone is offended that I view him as having a more prominent role my advice to them would be to launch their own website and write match previews, match reports and the odd interview with key club figures and get as many clicks as this site does. Because if you don't do that sorry to say Antti that I will hold the view point that you have a less prominent role
Human society has evolved in a way that makes it an instinct for people to follow the herd. The "bandwagon effect". Thousands of years ago if you were ostracised from a group it greatly decreased your chance of literally surviving. So humans have a strong instinct to support the 'current thing'. It's because of this the writer of our most used fan site Can influence that natural herd mentality instinct
Think the Asch line study, people wearing paper masks on their face during Covid because the news told them too or people getting angry about Andrew Tate and the need to shut down his opinions.
It's the same energy (hope NorthernR sees the funny side that I just compared him to Andrew Tate)
But really it is just a fact that humans are influenced in their opinions by the articles they read. So you are miles off on that point as well
As for the snobbery, I am talking about the comments around it being the 'right way' to play. I see that as snobbish. Joe90's post above is bang on
I also completely agree with your sentiment, "We can compete like we did on Saturday AND actually play some nice football too" and to suggest I feel otherwise is a misunderstanding of the other side of the argument
As I said in my previous post, play pretty football but when the ball is in the right areas
Just sending this to Pseud's Corner. What a load of twaddle.
Like you, I was away for this one but I have the bug big time, hate missing a match, so had to arrange Saturday around the match, and buy and watch the stream.
Pleased that I did and hope that we both get a positive experience when we return to the Bush on Saturday.
Oh! You forgot Boswa*nka
Never had the pleasure of seeing the great man in the flesh, unfortunately. I'm sure my tolerance would have crumbled if I had seen SWP at City or Ch*ls** too.
Huge win Saturday in fact It was ridiculously massive and as I see It If we 'stank the place out' with our tactics then f ucking good and another thing If we 'stink the place out' tomorrow night at Blackpool and win playing 'stinking the place out' football then f ucking good because another three points will virtually ensure Championship football next season which is vital for our clubs future.
When the new season starts In August of this Year the eleven QPR players that start for us will all be Ainsworths players and we go again, tactics will be different then I would Imagine and we'll go through the whole goddam bullshit thing again.
Anyway.
On another matter If you support a football club be It with a ST or not you are taking a risk, a financial risk and a happiness or misery risk, there Is no escape from It even when you say to yourself I'm never going again. Every Saturday afternoon or Tuesday/Wednesday evening there they are, your football club either bringing you happiness or misery from the depths of your laptop or pox ridden bloody phone, you can't escape from It you just can't they wont leave you alone.
Apart from that have a nice day.
My Father had a profound influence on me, he was a lunatic.
I thought first half our style of play was very much Klopp early days at Liverpool, blood and thunder, pressing all over the pitch and using the ball well when we had it. No 25 passes and go nowhere get shots on goal and force mistakes. It was very good to watch.
Second half thought we we looked like what we are, a team who haven't won in months and just did everything they could to run the clock down and get over the line. We needed that win so badly any arguments about style of play feel a bit mad to me.
I think there's also a bit of a misconception about what 'The QPR Way' actually is (if it is anything at all). For all of my lifetime - and looking back at teams that my parents & grandparents watched - the best QPR teams played with wingers. Pace. Dribbling. Crossing. Tormenting full backs. The Morgans and Lazarus. Thomas. Fereday. Sinton. Sinclair, Impey. Cook. Ainsworth himself. And our own FBs complementing that. Gillard & Clement. Neil and Dawes. Bardsley and Wilson. Walker. Getting the crowd going, building an atmosphere. Even the 2010/11 team, although set up with 3 off the CF, still played players with pace and good crossing out wide.
If you asked me to design a QPR team, that's what I want. What I expect. And, once he's got his feet under the table, it's what I think Ainsworth will be aiming for.
As so often in life it's not really either or, it's both and.
I want aggression, hard work, high energy, team spirit, playing with purpose, getting forward quickly, crosses. AND I want triangles, pass and move, passing through the thirds, individual flair, and game control.
ALSO:
The idea behind emphasising the latter over the last few years, as I understand it, was so that: 1. We create players that are more sellable to the premier league. 2. We're more likely to get good loans from the premier league, or pick up their 19 year old drop outs, and for them to easily slot in to what we do. 3. If we got lucky and promoted we have more chance of staying up (debatable). 4. It's pleasing on the eye, when it works. The fact that we've done it badly doesn't in itself mean it's a bad idea.
I thought first half our style of play was very much Klopp early days at Liverpool, blood and thunder, pressing all over the pitch and using the ball well when we had it. No 25 passes and go nowhere get shots on goal and force mistakes. It was very good to watch.
Second half thought we we looked like what we are, a team who haven't won in months and just did everything they could to run the clock down and get over the line. We needed that win so badly any arguments about style of play feel a bit mad to me.
Made a big difference when Lyndon went off - exactly as it did when we were beating Swansea 1-0.
Made a big difference when Lyndon went off - exactly as it did when we were beating Swansea 1-0.
Yeah, Lyndon improved Martin massively, because this week, unlike v Blackburn, we had the pace and numbers to press their defence. That obviously dropped off a bit when Dykes went off, and the team tired, although Uncs and Sinclair both did decent jobs too.
How many times even just this season have we been on the receiving end of what we just did to Watford? Feels good for the boot to be on the other foot for a change. It's an attritional division and unless you're capable of outplaying the opposition every game you'll get turned over by less capable teams if you can't match the attrition.
Just sending this to Pseud's Corner. What a load of twaddle.
You brought these topics up and made a pretty strong statement. So I explained myself in response to you throwing a tantrum. For you to respond as you have there is pretty pathetic
You brought these topics up and made a pretty strong statement. So I explained myself in response to you throwing a tantrum. For you to respond as you have there is pretty pathetic
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Hang on, let me just check with Clive what my response should be.
Hang on, let me just check with Clive what my response should be.
Are you honestly disputing that people aren't influenced by what they read. Explains how far apart we are on this
Your knickers may have got in a twist because you misinterpreted the extent to which I saw it these articles as a factor in this instance
I see it as a small factor (without explicitly defining what I mean by that) but seems your thinking is so binary that you can't pick up on nuance and you have got upset and taken the extreme view that it has no influence absolutely zero. But that just isn’t true
It literally is a fact that people are influenced by what they read so it really is an odd over reaction from you
And that was a Lyndon at not even 75% fit I reckon - will be even better when he is fully fit again.
This. Ainsworth playing with what he has fit. What do we have? We've got Dykes and Martin, two physical forwards who don't mind elbowing a centre half out the way. Great - so for now let them do it and stay in the league through muck and nettles rather than being idealistic over it and trying to be Brazil 1970.
I'd rather QPR be competitive playing with what works than us finishing 22nd trying to pass the death out of the ball for no good reason.
On the subject of the sort of players we need to develop, with a view to selling them on, of course they should ideally be technically proficient and comfortable on the ball and able to pass and move quickly, but they also need to be players who have been part of a reasonably successful QPR team.
A player of ours could be the most technically gifted in the world - I wish - but if the QPR teams he has played in keeps getting poor results, I would have thought coaches potentially interested in signing him would wonder if there are shortcomings when it comes to their mentality, so, not enough will to win, a lack of grit, determination and killer instinct, professionalism even. Perhaps, I don't know.
"Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1."
On the subject of creative players, Gaz did recently take a lump of prime academy youngster (via a few months playing non-league) in Anis Mehmeti and turn him into a million pound attacking midfielder who thrived in the Wycombe system. So I think he'll have a place for players like Chair and finally Richards when everyone is fully up to speed. Needs must this weekend and to be honest, I really enjoyed that first half at least.
Our defenders are (were?) clearly shot to pieces. Needed to get them back to simply defending and keep the ball down the other end. Exactly what we were crying out for.
Not saying it’s what I want every week, but confidence and momentum are what we need desperately. No way were we playing our way out of this.
Our defenders are (were?) clearly shot to pieces. Needed to get them back to simply defending and keep the ball down the other end. Exactly what we were crying out for.
Not saying it’s what I want every week, but confidence and momentum are what we need desperately. No way were we playing our way out of this.
My instinct is to agree with you Brian and I do think you are right that with Willock, Chair and Paal to come back there will be a little more technique involved
But, what I think Ainsworth is spot on about is that these tactics is that they are a massive equaliser. Our budget is one of the smaller and it’s going to get even smaller.
Playing this dirty, gritty nasty style is our best shot of getting up the league and eventually promoted.
If we try and play the same style as teams with bigger budgets it’s not likely to be successful
But if we can force them into playing a different style of game, and we pick up the players that suits that then we can outplay them
They don’t like it up em these fancy footballers. I want to see Rangers piss off teams. I want them to hate playing us. To hate coming to Loftus road
FFP makes it very hard to compete so let’s change things up
"They don’t like it up em these fancy footballers. I want to see Rangers piss off teams. I want them to hate playing us. To hate coming to Loftus road".
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