| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? 21:37 - Jul 30 with 20101 views | DejR_vu |
There's been some debate on other threads about LF.
Les was appointed DoF in Feb 2015. We were relegated, bottom. Burnley and Hull were relegated with us.
We left behind the likes of Aston Villa and Newcastle, who have been relegated since but are back in the Premier League. There were Stoke and West Brom who, although now in the Championship, stayed in the Premier League for a few more seasons before getting relegated.
Sunderland survived that year.
Leicester had been promoted with us the previous season.
Crystal Palace had survived their first season.
In the Championship that season were Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich, Middlesbrough, Brentford, Wolves, Cardiff, Forest, Leeds, Fulham.
Sheff Utd were in league One.
Clubs have been relegated with big wage bills, but promoted since. Clubs have traded their way to the Premier League. Clubs have produced academy players they've sold for big money.
We've wasted parachute money, we've sold one player for big money, and had smaller wins with a couple more. We've let Manning, and BOS slip through our fingers for nothing. Our academy hasn't produced a player who's been sold for money under LF's watch.
The best striker we've had is a bloke we borrowed twice who had a two month purple patch.
Looking at that list, Sunderland and Hull have done worse than us.
Burnley, Newcastle, Leicester, Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich, Brentford, Wolves, Fulham and Sheff Utd have all done significantly better. I think you can add Cardiff, West Brom and Stoke to that list. Villa, Leeds and Forest are all in the Premier League now.
Different clubs with different ways of doing things, but all more successful than us, even though we had the advantage of Premier League money / parachute money over many of them back then.
How can anyone claim LF is doing a good job? I'm genuinely interested. I can't fathom it.
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:44 - Jul 30 with 8002 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
"Clubs have been relegated with big wage bills"
Do they all have 40 year old 17000 seater stadiums in West London? |  |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:46 - Jul 30 with 7982 views | DejR_vu |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:44 - Jul 30 by CliveWilsonSaid |
"Clubs have been relegated with big wage bills"
Do they all have 40 year old 17000 seater stadiums in West London? |
Bournemouth's is smaller, and just as old
Same with Brentford [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 21:47]
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:47 - Jul 30 with 7950 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:46 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
Bournemouth's is smaller, and just as old
Same with Brentford [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 21:47]
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Who's their DOF? | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:50 - Jul 30 with 7920 views | DejR_vu |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:47 - Jul 30 by CliveWilsonSaid |
Who's their DOF? |
No idea, but what's that got to do with it? They're clearly doing a better job than ours
Just checked - Rasmus Ankerson @ Brentford. Bournemouth don't appear to have one. Still don't get your point. [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 21:57]
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:53 - Jul 30 with 7890 views | Lblock |
Novice Park Rangers
Owners who were brand new to the game.
Directors that were / are cutting their teeth in roles at this level.
Head coach or Manager who is making his debut in the professional game.
Players who are also not used to the Championship
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:57 - Jul 30 with 7860 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:50 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
No idea, but what's that got to do with it? They're clearly doing a better job than ours
Just checked - Rasmus Ankerson @ Brentford. Bournemouth don't appear to have one. Still don't get your point. [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 21:57]
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Sorry I thought this thread was about Les Ferdinand. Our DOF.
Not looking for an argument btw.✌ðŸ»
I agree there's a conversation to be had I don't know anyone who doesn't think that. | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:59 - Jul 30 with 7844 views | Tonto |
Because he is evil. |  |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:59 - Jul 30 with 7837 views | DejR_vu |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:57 - Jul 30 by CliveWilsonSaid |
Sorry I thought this thread was about Les Ferdinand. Our DOF.
Not looking for an argument btw.✌ðŸ»
I agree there's a conversation to be had I don't know anyone who doesn't think that. |
It is about Les Ferdinand, our DoF, but you asked about two other club's DoF, so I looked it up? You changed the subject. | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:00 - Jul 30 with 7820 views | DejR_vu |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:59 - Jul 30 by Tonto |
Because he is evil. |
Not evil, just out of his depth, imo. | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:00 - Jul 30 with 7818 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 21:59 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
It is about Les Ferdinand, our DoF, but you asked about two other club's DoF, so I looked it up? You changed the subject. |
No I didn't. | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:04 - Jul 30 with 7792 views | DejR_vu |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:00 - Jul 30 by CliveWilsonSaid |
No I didn't. |
What was this if it wasn't changing the subject from our DoF:
"Who's their DOF?"
What's your point anyway? You asked which clubs had small old stadiums, and you asked who their DoF are. They've both been more successful than us, one with a smaller stadium than us, one with a smaller stadium that has been replaced by a new one. Both good examples of clubs working better than ours, no? | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:07 - Jul 30 with 7764 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:04 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
What was this if it wasn't changing the subject from our DoF:
"Who's their DOF?"
What's your point anyway? You asked which clubs had small old stadiums, and you asked who their DoF are. They've both been more successful than us, one with a smaller stadium than us, one with a smaller stadium that has been replaced by a new one. Both good examples of clubs working better than ours, no? |
It's just the way my brain works. If i'm looking to improve something I check that what I've got is as bad as I think it is first.
I'm not an expert on this stuff btw. | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:13 - Jul 30 with 7734 views | eastside_r |
One game into the season and we get an anti-Les thread.
Just because he’s a club legend player does not mean he’s immune to criticism.
But FFS. Really? [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 22:13]
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:18 - Jul 30 with 7689 views | DejR_vu |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:13 - Jul 30 by eastside_r |
One game into the season and we get an anti-Les thread.
Just because he’s a club legend player does not mean he’s immune to criticism.
But FFS. Really? [Post edited 30 Jul 2022 22:13]
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It may be one game into the season, but it’s seven and a half years into his tenure. When is the right time? | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:19 - Jul 30 with 7680 views | MedwayR |
If you had a valid point about the job LF is doing why didn’t you post this before todays game? Seems odd that you’d wait, as if todays result somehow validates your opinion on LF, it doesn’t.
In LF’s time here we’ve massively reduced the wage bill whilst holding our own in the league, we’ve established some sort of identity on the pitch and also off the pitch, our managerial appointments are far more considered now than when he arrived, we’ve got a new training ground, a far more professional set up behind the scenes with data analysis & scouting etc, have a focus on developing players and recruit based on that, there is a plan in place.
Of course LF hasn’t done all that on his own, but he has played his part. He has made mistakes, but has also made more good decisions than bad imo. Would someone else have done a better job(?), possibly but plenty could’ve done worse too. He’s provided stability which has allowed us to progress in many areas. Consider the DoF we had in place before LF, Mike Rigg was his name, no comparison. Whilst he’s not perfect, we’re lucky to have someone in the role who cares about our club. |  |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:22 - Jul 30 with 7646 views | PlanetHonneywood |
I’d like to see a current organigram for QPR and wonder what the various individuals’ job specs are.
From the outset I always wondered like many others: what was the DOF’s function(s) at the time the role was created? Who else were considered for the role? And, why and on what basis did an inexperienced LF get the job? I doubt LF has a job spec per se, so what are the targets by which his performance is measured against?
Thing is, if he left tomorrow, I don’t think QPR would implode and if a DOF were required, I bet we could find more qualified candidates to replace him.
The LF/DOF math never really added up for me. Happy for anyone to answer my questions and assuage my concerns. |  |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:27 - Jul 30 with 7613 views | DejR_vu |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:19 - Jul 30 by MedwayR |
If you had a valid point about the job LF is doing why didn’t you post this before todays game? Seems odd that you’d wait, as if todays result somehow validates your opinion on LF, it doesn’t.
In LF’s time here we’ve massively reduced the wage bill whilst holding our own in the league, we’ve established some sort of identity on the pitch and also off the pitch, our managerial appointments are far more considered now than when he arrived, we’ve got a new training ground, a far more professional set up behind the scenes with data analysis & scouting etc, have a focus on developing players and recruit based on that, there is a plan in place.
Of course LF hasn’t done all that on his own, but he has played his part. He has made mistakes, but has also made more good decisions than bad imo. Would someone else have done a better job(?), possibly but plenty could’ve done worse too. He’s provided stability which has allowed us to progress in many areas. Consider the DoF we had in place before LF, Mike Rigg was his name, no comparison. Whilst he’s not perfect, we’re lucky to have someone in the role who cares about our club. |
I’ve been critical of LF for years. I’ve posted this today because a few posters on other threads have asked questions and others have debated. What’s the problem with having the debate? When’s the right time?
If he’s doing a good job why are we being left behind by all those other clubs? We can debate the for’s and against’s all night, but, at the end of the day, results speak for themselves. QPR is a football club. The whole point is to win as many matches as possible, compete at the highest level possible. Relative to all those other clubs, who have the same issues as us, LF’s tenure has been a failure. | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:31 - Jul 30 with 7566 views | CliveWilsonSaid |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:22 - Jul 30 by PlanetHonneywood |
I’d like to see a current organigram for QPR and wonder what the various individuals’ job specs are.
From the outset I always wondered like many others: what was the DOF’s function(s) at the time the role was created? Who else were considered for the role? And, why and on what basis did an inexperienced LF get the job? I doubt LF has a job spec per se, so what are the targets by which his performance is measured against?
Thing is, if he left tomorrow, I don’t think QPR would implode and if a DOF were required, I bet we could find more qualified candidates to replace him.
The LF/DOF math never really added up for me. Happy for anyone to answer my questions and assuage my concerns. |
We imploded last time he left. | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:36 - Jul 30 with 7502 views | timeforheroes |
Was shocked to see only two clubs have been in this division longer than us but still feel like we're batting at our average |  | | |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:36 - Jul 30 with 7501 views | DannytheR |
Jesus Christ. Is it seriously going to be like this on here every time we lose this season?
It is, isn't it? |  | | |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:37 - Jul 30 with 7496 views | eastside_r |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:27 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
I’ve been critical of LF for years. I’ve posted this today because a few posters on other threads have asked questions and others have debated. What’s the problem with having the debate? When’s the right time?
If he’s doing a good job why are we being left behind by all those other clubs? We can debate the for’s and against’s all night, but, at the end of the day, results speak for themselves. QPR is a football club. The whole point is to win as many matches as possible, compete at the highest level possible. Relative to all those other clubs, who have the same issues as us, LF’s tenure has been a failure. |
You are of course entitled to your opinion and to express it here.
As you might have gathered I disagree. ((See Medway’s post.)
First game of the season under a new manager, which presumably Director of Football had some say in, I do question the timing, however long you’ve held this anti-LF feeling.
Presumably, when we win a game you don’t attribute it to any of the management structure of the club (and yes I am being deliberately facetious.) | | | |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:40 - Jul 30 with 7465 views | DejR_vu |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:37 - Jul 30 by eastside_r |
You are of course entitled to your opinion and to express it here.
As you might have gathered I disagree. ((See Medway’s post.)
First game of the season under a new manager, which presumably Director of Football had some say in, I do question the timing, however long you’ve held this anti-LF feeling.
Presumably, when we win a game you don’t attribute it to any of the management structure of the club (and yes I am being deliberately facetious.) |
Eastside, I’ve been questioning LF for years, and regularly on here over the Summer. | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:40 - Jul 30 with 7464 views | MedwayR |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:27 - Jul 30 by DejR_vu |
I’ve been critical of LF for years. I’ve posted this today because a few posters on other threads have asked questions and others have debated. What’s the problem with having the debate? When’s the right time?
If he’s doing a good job why are we being left behind by all those other clubs? We can debate the for’s and against’s all night, but, at the end of the day, results speak for themselves. QPR is a football club. The whole point is to win as many matches as possible, compete at the highest level possible. Relative to all those other clubs, who have the same issues as us, LF’s tenure has been a failure. |
Fair enough, but I’d suggest after a defeat on the first day of the season isn’t the best time, for me it would be a more credible discussion before todays game or in a day or two, feels like jumping on a bandwagon at the moment.
Which clubs are you comparing us to? | |
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| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:42 - Jul 30 with 7456 views | QPR_Jim |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:22 - Jul 30 by PlanetHonneywood |
I’d like to see a current organigram for QPR and wonder what the various individuals’ job specs are.
From the outset I always wondered like many others: what was the DOF’s function(s) at the time the role was created? Who else were considered for the role? And, why and on what basis did an inexperienced LF get the job? I doubt LF has a job spec per se, so what are the targets by which his performance is measured against?
Thing is, if he left tomorrow, I don’t think QPR would implode and if a DOF were required, I bet we could find more qualified candidates to replace him.
The LF/DOF math never really added up for me. Happy for anyone to answer my questions and assuage my concerns. |
Who leaving would cause QPR to implode? Maybe only the guy writing the £1m cheque each month.
I think it's essential that QPR have someone above the manager to provide continuity and to make sure we have an identity and try to stick to it. We've done the revolving door of managers changing styles and with that signing more and more players, we can't do that anymore. Unless you have a savvy owner (even the most optimistic amongst us wouldn't claim that we do) then that continuity needs to come from someone like a DoF.
For me a better question mark over his tenure is allowing the spend last season but it sounds like a lot of that came from above and was generally well received by the fans at the time. So what's he to do? It seems like he's used it to make his point to those that ignored him but who knows for sure what happened there. |  | | |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:44 - Jul 30 with 7437 views | DejR_vu |
| How does Les Ferdinand get away with it? on 22:40 - Jul 30 by MedwayR |
Fair enough, but I’d suggest after a defeat on the first day of the season isn’t the best time, for me it would be a more credible discussion before todays game or in a day or two, feels like jumping on a bandwagon at the moment.
Which clubs are you comparing us to? |
Take your pick. No two clubs are identical. But, there’s way too many doing better than us to think we’re just being persecuted by the football gods. | |
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