| Ilkay Gündogan 13:56 - Nov 6 with 2634 views | Bison |
Why is he the only player on the pitch without a poppy on his shirt ?
Is it because he's German or maybe a Muslim , or is it something more innocent like he changed his shirt at half time as some players do and I didnt see first half of game.
Whatever it does stick out and has got me curious.
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 20:17 - Nov 6 with 2463 views | Kennington |
No idea, but no one should be forced to wear any symbols and in my view it shouldn’t be made a big deal. Otherwise what’s the point of winning wars for freedom if part of the deal is imposing rules about mandatory commemoration? |  |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 23:21 - Nov 6 with 2369 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 20:17 - Nov 6 by Kennington |
No idea, but no one should be forced to wear any symbols and in my view it shouldn’t be made a big deal. Otherwise what’s the point of winning wars for freedom if part of the deal is imposing rules about mandatory commemoration? |
Or mandatory kneeling? |  |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 09:00 - Nov 7 with 2269 views | Bison |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 23:21 - Nov 6 by Chesham_Saint |
Or mandatory kneeling? |
Thats different though according to some. You can only be virtuous for certain types of protest .
And to clear up the poppy on shirt , in the first half he had a shirt with a poppy on. | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 09:18 - Nov 7 with 2247 views | DorsetIan |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 09:00 - Nov 7 by Bison |
Thats different though according to some. You can only be virtuous for certain types of protest .
And to clear up the poppy on shirt , in the first half he had a shirt with a poppy on. |
Is Zaha still not kneeling?
Poppies, kneeling just the same, no? No one is absolutely forced to wear/do either but most either positively want to or don’t mind, so few refuse.
The booing of the knee seems to have gone now. | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 12:08 - Nov 7 with 2179 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 09:18 - Nov 7 by DorsetIan |
Is Zaha still not kneeling?
Poppies, kneeling just the same, no? No one is absolutely forced to wear/do either but most either positively want to or don’t mind, so few refuse.
The booing of the knee seems to have gone now. |
The boing of the knee may have gone, but maybe that shows it’s become trite and boring and therefore no longer fit for purpose? | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 16:34 - Nov 7 with 2088 views | DorsetIan |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 12:08 - Nov 7 by Chesham_Saint |
The boing of the knee may have gone, but maybe that shows it’s become trite and boring and therefore no longer fit for purpose? |
I personally thought it had run its course by the end of last season, but the longer it goes on the harder it is to stop it, I suppose.
At recent saints’ games it’s been accompanied by applause. I never thought it was doing any harm and if it continues and becomes a permanent fixture, like poppy wearing, then I won’t lose any sleep about it. | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 08:08 - Nov 8 with 1931 views | Heisenberg |
The whole ground clapping through out the remembrance Last post at Old Trafford on Saturday was not only disrespectful but sad to witness. |  |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 09:50 - Nov 8 with 1882 views | saints__fan__73 |
It seems like the wearing of the poppy has moved from respecting the efforts of past generations who gave their life for the country to now being a way of showing your dislike of the government.
I was watching the Jonathan Ross show on Saturday and 3 people there had Poppies, Ross, Ed Sheeran and Michael McIntyre while the Corbinite Rob Delaney, a Muslim 'comedian' and also Irish Aisling Bea didn't.... |  |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 10:03 - Nov 8 with 1875 views | Heisenberg |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 09:50 - Nov 8 by saints__fan__73 |
It seems like the wearing of the poppy has moved from respecting the efforts of past generations who gave their life for the country to now being a way of showing your dislike of the government.
I was watching the Jonathan Ross show on Saturday and 3 people there had Poppies, Ross, Ed Sheeran and Michael McIntyre while the Corbinite Rob Delaney, a Muslim 'comedian' and also Irish Aisling Bea didn't.... |
Is wearing a poppy compulsory ? And does the ‘Muslim comedian’ not have a name and do you know if he is a practising Muslim or have you just reached that conclusion by yourself. | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 10:17 - Nov 8 with 1868 views | saints__fan__73 |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 10:03 - Nov 8 by Heisenberg |
Is wearing a poppy compulsory ? And does the ‘Muslim comedian’ not have a name and do you know if he is a practising Muslim or have you just reached that conclusion by yourself. |
I had no idea of HER name, she barely said a word and was obviously there as part of the positive discrimination that is now rife in entertainment.
Just googled a picture of her. I'm going out on a limb here and assuming she is 'practicing'... (all by myself)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGt2W2X4AAZbLs?format=jpg&name=medium [Post edited 8 Nov 2021 10:17]
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 10:29 - Nov 8 with 1846 views | Heisenberg |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 10:17 - Nov 8 by saints__fan__73 |
I had no idea of HER name, she barely said a word and was obviously there as part of the positive discrimination that is now rife in entertainment.
Just googled a picture of her. I'm going out on a limb here and assuming she is 'practicing'... (all by myself)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkGt2W2X4AAZbLs?format=jpg&name=medium [Post edited 8 Nov 2021 10:17]
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I apologise Bradley. I don't watch Jonathan Ross. I find him and chat shows in general annoying. | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 10:52 - Nov 8 with 1834 views | saints__fan__73 |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 10:29 - Nov 8 by Heisenberg |
I apologise Bradley. I don't watch Jonathan Ross. I find him and chat shows in general annoying. |
Wow. I haven't been called Bradley for many a year! Stuey thought I was called that as brad was included in my user name for my very first account I had on Keith Legg's Saints web in the late 90s! (funnily enough BRAD was the acronym for the group at work I was working with then).
So you must be one of the old favoutites on here with a different user name? I assume from the fact you are defending a Muslim comedian you can't be Stu, Del or Dune!! :) | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 12:27 - Nov 8 with 1796 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 10:03 - Nov 8 by Heisenberg |
Is wearing a poppy compulsory ? And does the ‘Muslim comedian’ not have a name and do you know if he is a practising Muslim or have you just reached that conclusion by yourself. |
I assumed he meant Nish Kumar. In which case in true Derek and Clive Style, he could have said “cvnt, London” and we’d have all known who he meant. | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 12:30 - Nov 8 with 1792 views | saints__fan__73 |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 12:27 - Nov 8 by Chesham_Saint |
I assumed he meant Nish Kumar. In which case in true Derek and Clive Style, he could have said “cvnt, London” and we’d have all known who he meant. |
No, it was a female 'comedian'. See above. | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 15:55 - Nov 8 with 1736 views | Heisenberg |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 10:52 - Nov 8 by saints__fan__73 |
Wow. I haven't been called Bradley for many a year! Stuey thought I was called that as brad was included in my user name for my very first account I had on Keith Legg's Saints web in the late 90s! (funnily enough BRAD was the acronym for the group at work I was working with then).
So you must be one of the old favoutites on here with a different user name? I assume from the fact you are defending a Muslim comedian you can't be Stu, Del or Dune!! :) |
Same user name. Dune and Del were funny though although took things too far on a few occasions. Dunes antiques advice and New Year’s Eve all you can eat Chinese buffets were top posts. | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 15:58 - Nov 8 with 1734 views | saints__fan__73 |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 15:55 - Nov 8 by Heisenberg |
Same user name. Dune and Del were funny though although took things too far on a few occasions. Dunes antiques advice and New Year’s Eve all you can eat Chinese buffets were top posts. |
Yes they were. I assumed they were all warned off by Nick?
The one who really ruined this place was Leslie and all his aliases. It actually resembles a football forum now he's finally gone. | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 17:11 - Nov 8 with 1690 views | Buggalugs |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 15:58 - Nov 8 by saints__fan__73 |
Yes they were. I assumed they were all warned off by Nick?
The one who really ruined this place was Leslie and all his aliases. It actually resembles a football forum now he's finally gone. |
Leslie was an odd one, but was very good for comedy value as were both Del and Dune. I miss all the good characters that were banned or simply stopped posting...it's all a bit too serious and dull on here a lot of the time now. |  |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 11:37 - Nov 9 with 1566 views | GasGiant |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 09:50 - Nov 8 by saints__fan__73 |
It seems like the wearing of the poppy has moved from respecting the efforts of past generations who gave their life for the country to now being a way of showing your dislike of the government.
I was watching the Jonathan Ross show on Saturday and 3 people there had Poppies, Ross, Ed Sheeran and Michael McIntyre while the Corbinite Rob Delaney, a Muslim 'comedian' and also Irish Aisling Bea didn't.... |
If certain young Irish sports stars and celbrities actually knew how many Irishmen fought (and died) as part of the British Army in World War 1 their antipathy towards the poppy would be seen for what it is - ignorant uninformed and typical of the historically illiterate. It is not hard to find a list of the Irish Regiments and the large number of battalions that dwarf the regiments of today. My own grandfather - a Catholic to boot - had already emigrated to Canada when war broke out but returned to the UK to volunteer as did many others. When I think of him and what he went through out of a sense of duty then I see these pathetic virtue signalling luvvies for what they are. | | | |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 12:26 - Nov 9 with 1553 views | Kennington |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 17:11 - Nov 8 by Buggalugs |
Leslie was an odd one, but was very good for comedy value as were both Del and Dune. I miss all the good characters that were banned or simply stopped posting...it's all a bit too serious and dull on here a lot of the time now. |
The original Leslie, I recall was a comedy Les Reed, which was quite amusing. He seemed to change and have one too many strong opinions. | |
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| Ilkay Gündogan on 21:00 - Nov 9 with 1495 views | Newdawn2014 |
| Ilkay Gündogan on 08:08 - Nov 8 by Heisenberg |
The whole ground clapping through out the remembrance Last post at Old Trafford on Saturday was not only disrespectful but sad to witness. |
never watched it but does not surprise me, there was some chatting in the Northam and whoever they were they were shushed and obliged, I think we are a bit more respectful at this end of the country. | | | |
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