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Infection rates are generally rising fast despite the tier systems so you can imagine the spike after the free for all Christmas period. Johnson obviously doesn’t want to be seen as a Grinch but by not closing down Christmas there will be a lot fewer people enjoying it with their loved ones next year. We are battening down the hatches this Christmas. I just hope that people are sensible and do the same. Sadly though I think people will just go for it and be damned.
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Christmas Carnage? on 10:47 - Dec 20 with 1707 views
We don’t think he is a bad leader it’s plain to see unless you’re blinded by political allegiance
Not at all. I can see other countries making exactly the same decisions like Italy, Wales, Scotland, Northern Ireland, Sweden. Will you or anyone else explain why it is, that Italy and the rest also suddenly went into lockdown at the last minute? Just bad leadership in various countries or impossible times, with data changing by the minute? Answer that direct question rather than just not answering! I would suggest that by not answering a simple question means that you (and a few others) are the ones blinded by political alliegiance. There is chaos in many places, why?
I am on a FB page with a group of people who have been cutting Johnson slack from day 1. Today they are all seething and telling him to “do one”. Finally the penny has dropped. Johnson prevaricated when faced with difficult decisions. He leaves everything to the very last minute when choices become polarised then tells us that he has no choice. He has done this consistently throughout the pandemic which has cost more lives and more economic turmoil. I read an interesting take on his behaviour about how he hates letting people down to their faces but is happy to do it behind their backs. People come out of meetings with him thinking he has agreed with them only to find out people in the other side also have his agreement. For some time he has been told that his plan for Christmas really wasn’t a good idea. Now has has had no choice but to implement new rules because, guess what, his original plan really wasn’t a good idea. We are in a mess. The world is in a mess. We are in more of a mess than we need to be because of the appalling ineptitude of our PM and his cabinet.
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Christmas Carnage? on 13:14 - Dec 20 with 1628 views
I am on a FB page with a group of people who have been cutting Johnson slack from day 1. Today they are all seething and telling him to “do one”. Finally the penny has dropped. Johnson prevaricated when faced with difficult decisions. He leaves everything to the very last minute when choices become polarised then tells us that he has no choice. He has done this consistently throughout the pandemic which has cost more lives and more economic turmoil. I read an interesting take on his behaviour about how he hates letting people down to their faces but is happy to do it behind their backs. People come out of meetings with him thinking he has agreed with them only to find out people in the other side also have his agreement. For some time he has been told that his plan for Christmas really wasn’t a good idea. Now has has had no choice but to implement new rules because, guess what, his original plan really wasn’t a good idea. We are in a mess. The world is in a mess. We are in more of a mess than we need to be because of the appalling ineptitude of our PM and his cabinet.
I believe we are in a mess because we are needlessly shutting the country of down for the vast majority of the population that this virus is totally harmless to.
But without the shut down hospitals would be overrun and the death rate much higher. The problem was the late Ist total shutdown followed by easing it too soon when we had a handle on the infection rate. This virus kills and maims. I don’t understand why you don’t see that. I was talking to a friend last night who worked with a 30 year old with no underlying health conditions. They caught the virus on a Monday and died by the Wednesday. Y the end of the year it will have killed 70,000 people here and countless thousands across the world.
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Christmas Carnage? on 13:26 - Dec 20 with 1604 views
But without the shut down hospitals would be overrun and the death rate much higher. The problem was the late Ist total shutdown followed by easing it too soon when we had a handle on the infection rate. This virus kills and maims. I don’t understand why you don’t see that. I was talking to a friend last night who worked with a 30 year old with no underlying health conditions. They caught the virus on a Monday and died by the Wednesday. Y the end of the year it will have killed 70,000 people here and countless thousands across the world.
how do you know? The was PHE advising that it was safe to send OAPs to the care homes back in March. Terrible piece of advice that the Govt has to wear.
however, the continued lockdown for the vast majority of the population, whom the virus is a bout of the flu (if that), is a disgrace.
Here are some facts, when looking into Govt data (notice how this is NEVER spoken of at their briefings, and the terrible media pundits dare not bring it up).
You can go further and see the almost non-existent death rates for the u25s, yet kids are being freaked out about going to school...
Stats.......
0.06% death rate 10 in 100k *may* go into hospital Average death age 82 Survival rate of 98.5% from the ages of 15-70 years old
With those stats.... More likely to die of drowning
The economic pain coming (due to keeping fit, healthy and safe people from running the country) is going to be worse than the virus itself, and I have no doubt, lockdown champions like you will be berating the 'Nasty Torys' for not giving everyone more free stuff...
I am on a FB page with a group of people who have been cutting Johnson slack from day 1. Today they are all seething and telling him to “do one”. Finally the penny has dropped. Johnson prevaricated when faced with difficult decisions. He leaves everything to the very last minute when choices become polarised then tells us that he has no choice. He has done this consistently throughout the pandemic which has cost more lives and more economic turmoil. I read an interesting take on his behaviour about how he hates letting people down to their faces but is happy to do it behind their backs. People come out of meetings with him thinking he has agreed with them only to find out people in the other side also have his agreement. For some time he has been told that his plan for Christmas really wasn’t a good idea. Now has has had no choice but to implement new rules because, guess what, his original plan really wasn’t a good idea. We are in a mess. The world is in a mess. We are in more of a mess than we need to be because of the appalling ineptitude of our PM and his cabinet.
I understand all of that, but this is a crazy situation that no prime minister has ever had to deal with. Italy, Northern Ireland, Wales and others have also made chaotic decisions. Why? I don't understand how you can't see that this is an extremely difficult situation to manage in all countries. As someone has just posted, some want lockdown, some don't. Save the economy or save lives or try to do both? Boris is being twisted in all directions and who can blame him for not being an expert on viruses. It's a nightmare for any PM. You can slam him along with others, call him names etc if it makes you feel better. I am trying to show a bit of understanding for the nightmarish situation he is in, based on the fact that other countries are in terrible situations too. Again, if Boris is so bad, why did Italy, Scotland, Wales do the same? Would you answer that?
I am on a FB page with a group of people who have been cutting Johnson slack from day 1. Today they are all seething and telling him to “do one”. Finally the penny has dropped. Johnson prevaricated when faced with difficult decisions. He leaves everything to the very last minute when choices become polarised then tells us that he has no choice. He has done this consistently throughout the pandemic which has cost more lives and more economic turmoil. I read an interesting take on his behaviour about how he hates letting people down to their faces but is happy to do it behind their backs. People come out of meetings with him thinking he has agreed with them only to find out people in the other side also have his agreement. For some time he has been told that his plan for Christmas really wasn’t a good idea. Now has has had no choice but to implement new rules because, guess what, his original plan really wasn’t a good idea. We are in a mess. The world is in a mess. We are in more of a mess than we need to be because of the appalling ineptitude of our PM and his cabinet.
Why have you never mentioned any of this before???
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Christmas Carnage? on 14:15 - Dec 20 with 1540 views
Soggy you write as though Boris sits in a room and makes all the decisions out of the top of his head. Instead he has armies of civil service employees, consultants, advisors and scores of the best medical experts. This not a game, nobody wants to make bad decisions, of course he's no way perfect and the PM has the burden of leadership. How many other countries are NOT in trouble because of the virus? Please stop making totally biased political comments (as does Starmer), you're smarter than that, and its too flipping depressing. COYS
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Christmas Carnage? on 14:41 - Dec 20 with 1532 views
Soggy you write as though Boris sits in a room and makes all the decisions out of the top of his head. Instead he has armies of civil service employees, consultants, advisors and scores of the best medical experts. This not a game, nobody wants to make bad decisions, of course he's no way perfect and the PM has the burden of leadership. How many other countries are NOT in trouble because of the virus? Please stop making totally biased political comments (as does Starmer), you're smarter than that, and its too flipping depressing. COYS
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22 and Sogs, writing that they don't like Boris is obvious. We know his potential flaws and to just keeping pointing them out does nothing to balance a discussion. It's just subjective opinionated stuff. They won't engage in a debate by answering a simple question that I have asked about 5 times. They won't show one ounce of understanding that Boris and every other leader are in impossible situations.
As you say Bazza, Boris is being told about 10 different ways to approach this situation and has to make an impossible call. Some want lockdown, some don't. Some want Christmas, some don't. New virus variants, new mutations, it's just a nightmare. Boris doesn't know about viruses! He is not a virologist and nor is he is expected to be so! Personally I can see how difficult this is.
I believe we are in a mess because we are needlessly shutting the country of down for the vast majority of the population that this virus is totally harmless to.
that is the great tragedy here
This is a fair point My friends and I have constantly said since March if you have underlying health issues or are 65+ then stay home as much as possible, avoid contact etc etc Otherwise take precautions wear a mask and get on with it Shame our incompetent faux leader hasn’t done that
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Christmas Carnage? on 16:24 - Dec 20 with 1495 views
This is a fair point My friends and I have constantly said since March if you have underlying health issues or are 65+ then stay home as much as possible, avoid contact etc etc Otherwise take precautions wear a mask and get on with it Shame our incompetent faux leader hasn’t done that
I believe that was the initial strategy...but then the media lost the plot
This is a fair point My friends and I have constantly said since March if you have underlying health issues or are 65+ then stay home as much as possible, avoid contact etc etc Otherwise take precautions wear a mask and get on with it Shame our incompetent faux leader hasn’t done that
Or the Welsh leader, the Norther Irish leader, the Scottish leader, the French leader, the Italian leader, the Spanish leader, the Belg leader, the Portuguese leader, the Greek leader, the Romanian leader, the Norwegian leader, the Finnish leader, the Chilian leader, the German leader, the Danish leader, the leader of the Czech Republic and many other countries - just for a bit of balance many, many countries are also in lockdown! Many many countries have also made the same decision as Boris to lockdown. To back up what you think is a fair point, a certain Trump agrees with you in not having lockdowns.
I read today that we knew about this mutation in September. And yet they let us all go back to work, the kids go back to school, we were told Serco's track and trace would save us. Then the vaccine, we were told not to listen to 'lazy teachers'
Well it was all smoke. mirrors and distraction. They wanted us to spend and line the corporations pockets before telling us to play safe. You can make comparisons with other countries when it suits you, yet you say we can't be compared to other countries at other times, that our terrible death levels are some kind of exempt special circumstance. This government has blood on its hands as does the prime minister
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Christmas Carnage? on 18:36 - Dec 20 with 1425 views
I read today that we knew about this mutation in September. And yet they let us all go back to work, the kids go back to school, we were told Serco's track and trace would save us. Then the vaccine, we were told not to listen to 'lazy teachers'
Well it was all smoke. mirrors and distraction. They wanted us to spend and line the corporations pockets before telling us to play safe. You can make comparisons with other countries when it suits you, yet you say we can't be compared to other countries at other times, that our terrible death levels are some kind of exempt special circumstance. This government has blood on its hands as does the prime minister
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Christmas Carnage? on 18:39 - Dec 20 with 1420 views
So basically the mutations have fooked the vaccines and the only way to survive is to hide away while covid slowly kills of the elderly and vulnerable.
Government gets a much reduced social care bill and their mates continue to make a fortune supply faulty PPE
I believe that was the initial strategy...but then the media lost the plot
It wasn’t the media who lost the plot. Until the vaccines get a grip, the only way to combat the virus is to isolate those who have it, restrict movement and do the best we can to prevent people getting it in the first place. It is no accident that the first and national lockdown managed to bring down the level of infections. As soon as Johnson started messing around with tiers it went tits up. We were told that it was perfectly safe for the schools to go back (from the government, not the media) and yet guess what, the kids have spread it faster than people going to pubs. It has been one shambolic cock up after another with no sign of Johnson and his cabinet learning lessons and acting upon them. More and more Johnson supporters are now seeing him as the weak, indecisive, prevaricating fool that he really is.
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Christmas Carnage? on 20:24 - Dec 20 with 1376 views
This is a fair point My friends and I have constantly said since March if you have underlying health issues or are 65+ then stay home as much as possible, avoid contact etc etc Otherwise take precautions wear a mask and get on with it Shame our incompetent faux leader hasn’t done that
Your friends and you have constantly said that? That must’ve been draining for you all, to just say that the whole time since March. The Hackney school teacher you mean?
It wasn’t the media who lost the plot. Until the vaccines get a grip, the only way to combat the virus is to isolate those who have it, restrict movement and do the best we can to prevent people getting it in the first place. It is no accident that the first and national lockdown managed to bring down the level of infections. As soon as Johnson started messing around with tiers it went tits up. We were told that it was perfectly safe for the schools to go back (from the government, not the media) and yet guess what, the kids have spread it faster than people going to pubs. It has been one shambolic cock up after another with no sign of Johnson and his cabinet learning lessons and acting upon them. More and more Johnson supporters are now seeing him as the weak, indecisive, prevaricating fool that he really is.
You of course can speak to a lot of Boris’s supporters or how do you know? More likely been reading the usual anti govt twaddle from Corbyn’s mates in the Guardian.
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Christmas Carnage? on 21:56 - Dec 20 with 1334 views
It wasn’t the media who lost the plot. Until the vaccines get a grip, the only way to combat the virus is to isolate those who have it, restrict movement and do the best we can to prevent people getting it in the first place. It is no accident that the first and national lockdown managed to bring down the level of infections. As soon as Johnson started messing around with tiers it went tits up. We were told that it was perfectly safe for the schools to go back (from the government, not the media) and yet guess what, the kids have spread it faster than people going to pubs. It has been one shambolic cock up after another with no sign of Johnson and his cabinet learning lessons and acting upon them. More and more Johnson supporters are now seeing him as the weak, indecisive, prevaricating fool that he really is.
I wish I lived in Wales. The Welsh labour govt are doing so much better there, and have really unified the province.
I wish I lived in Wales. The Welsh labour govt are doing so much better there, and have really unified the province.
They had a circuit breaker and followed the science you know. Have they not cured the virus in Wales because they followed the science? Maybe it's Boris fault.
They had a circuit breaker and followed the science you know. Have they not cured the virus in Wales because they followed the science? Maybe it's Boris fault.
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They are showing us pathetic, rude, clueless English how it should be done, that’s for sure.
What does Johnny Foreigner know? He doesn't have Strictly Come Prancing on Ice has got Talent eating bush tucker gets us out of here or Saturday Night Carnage in his city centres. He doesn't even have a proper class system, let alone Laid in Chelsea or Geordie Whore.
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