| Reports of multiple stabbing on 19:20 - Jun 22 with 1724 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 16:50 - Jun 22 by Treforys_Jack |
Differences of opinion , is that okay with you? nothing I say will dissuade you from yours, thats been proven on here over the last few weeks, so respect mine even if you don't agree with it. |
I don’t deny anyone’s right to an opinion. The problem is history isn’t on your side.
Saddam used to keep his religious nutters under control - then we intervened. Result - jihad on our streets. Ditto Gaddaffi. If Assad falls it will be worse.
The west keeps repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome. The very definition of delusion and madness. |  |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 19:35 - Jun 22 with 1696 views | Highjack |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 19:20 - Jun 22 by Brynmill_Jack |
I don’t deny anyone’s right to an opinion. The problem is history isn’t on your side.
Saddam used to keep his religious nutters under control - then we intervened. Result - jihad on our streets. Ditto Gaddaffi. If Assad falls it will be worse.
The west keeps repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome. The very definition of delusion and madness. |
Libyan terrorists were blowing up planes over Scotland in the 80’s.
We can blame Blair or Clinton or Bush as much as we want. This problem predates all of them. |  |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 19:49 - Jun 22 with 1669 views | Darran |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 19:35 - Jun 22 by Highjack |
Libyan terrorists were blowing up planes over Scotland in the 80’s.
We can blame Blair or Clinton or Bush as much as we want. This problem predates all of them. |
People were sucking off Blair on twitter earlier for having a go at Farage 20 years ago.
I honestly believe if Ian Huntley released a statement from his cell slagging off Boris or someone some dopey ćunt on the left world say “aw perhaps he’s not too bad after all.” |  |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 20:29 - Jun 22 with 1625 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 19:35 - Jun 22 by Highjack |
Libyan terrorists were blowing up planes over Scotland in the 80’s.
We can blame Blair or Clinton or Bush as much as we want. This problem predates all of them. |
Yes of course that’s true.
But why just stop at the 1980’s ? You could go back to the mid seventh century and see the same thing although on a much larger scale. The Ottoman genocide of Armenians and Greek maybe?
Now , however, there are apparently 40,000 people of interest wandering around the streets of the UK who could attack at will. Are you saying the situation in the 1980’s is worse than what we have now? I hope not as that would be utterly wrong.
The IRA were doing the same in the 70’s and 80’s too - that situation was sorted out by sensible action from the UK government. Over the last 20 years the policy has changed to overthrowing those people in control of such lunatics and set them free to act out their Jihadi fantasies.
This wouldn’t be happening if Iraq , Syria and Libya had remained stable. You know it, I know it. | |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 20:31 - Jun 22 with 1621 views | Drizzy |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 19:35 - Jun 22 by Highjack |
Libyan terrorists were blowing up planes over Scotland in the 80’s.
We can blame Blair or Clinton or Bush as much as we want. This problem predates all of them. |
That wasn't an isolated incident of terror. It came nearly a decade of escalating tensions between Libya and the US. Two years after American airstrikes on Tripoli and Benghazi killed 30 civilians.
Far too many dismiss these attacks as random incidents of Islamic terror with no understanding of our rather active geopolitical role. We overthrew Gaddafi, killing civilians in the process, and gave his assets to an unstable puppet government resulting in another civil war 3 years later and a collapsed state. The perfect environment for breeding extremism.
If we're going to stop Islamic extremism we have to stop facilitating the destruction of states. That's obviously a very complex issue so the simple-minded will always look for something a bit easier, often to affirm their own anti-immigration agenda. |  |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 20:31 - Jun 22 with 1617 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 19:49 - Jun 22 by Darran |
People were sucking off Blair on twitter earlier for having a go at Farage 20 years ago.
I honestly believe if Ian Huntley released a statement from his cell slagging off Boris or someone some dopey ćunt on the left world say “aw perhaps he’s not too bad after all.” |
Your really setting the bar low these days. Ever thought of taking a nice break? | |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 21:11 - Jun 22 with 1559 views | Dr_Winston |
The West doesn't have the best track record when it comes to dealing with the Arab States/Middle East, going right back to the Empire building period, or perhaps the end of WW1 when randomly drawing lines on a map to delineate States was somehow seen as a better option than dividing things up along ethnic or religious lines.
Doesn't excuse the murder carried out by those to whom we have extended our hospitality however, whether it be more recent arrivals such as the Reading attacker or some of the 2nd/3rd Generation perpetrators of the 7/7 attacks. But then again it's probable that stirring up resentment was one of the aims of both. |  |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 22:26 - Jun 22 with 1519 views | Jango |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 20:31 - Jun 22 by Drizzy |
That wasn't an isolated incident of terror. It came nearly a decade of escalating tensions between Libya and the US. Two years after American airstrikes on Tripoli and Benghazi killed 30 civilians.
Far too many dismiss these attacks as random incidents of Islamic terror with no understanding of our rather active geopolitical role. We overthrew Gaddafi, killing civilians in the process, and gave his assets to an unstable puppet government resulting in another civil war 3 years later and a collapsed state. The perfect environment for breeding extremism.
If we're going to stop Islamic extremism we have to stop facilitating the destruction of states. That's obviously a very complex issue so the simple-minded will always look for something a bit easier, often to affirm their own anti-immigration agenda. |
You’re finding excuses for a man who has just stabbed 3 innocent people to death. Doesn’t get much lower than that. |  | | |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 22:45 - Jun 22 with 1505 views | Drizzy |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 22:26 - Jun 22 by Jango |
You’re finding excuses for a man who has just stabbed 3 innocent people to death. Doesn’t get much lower than that. |
I'm discussing the underlying reasons for why these crimes keep happening. That doesn't excuse the crime.
Right-wing shock jockeys use these incidents to drum up Islamophobia and anti-immigration rhetoric. This has the desired effects for Islamic extremists who want to further divisions and does nothing to address the root of the problem. | |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 23:02 - Jun 22 with 1486 views | Jango |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 22:45 - Jun 22 by Drizzy |
I'm discussing the underlying reasons for why these crimes keep happening. That doesn't excuse the crime.
Right-wing shock jockeys use these incidents to drum up Islamophobia and anti-immigration rhetoric. This has the desired effects for Islamic extremists who want to further divisions and does nothing to address the root of the problem. |
The problem is with you left wing shock jockeys is you’ll always find a way to blame the white westerners in this world. Even when they are the ones being murdered. Comical. | | | |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 23:26 - Jun 22 with 1463 views | Drizzy |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 23:02 - Jun 22 by Jango |
The problem is with you left wing shock jockeys is you’ll always find a way to blame the white westerners in this world. Even when they are the ones being murdered. Comical. |
Unless you somehow believe the 2011 Libyan intervention was a success, anyone in the UK has the right to criticise the government's actions which have had the complete opposite of the intended effect. Libya's become even less stable and terror attacks on British citizens have become more frequent. People have the right to question our involvement. | |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 23:33 - Jun 22 with 1457 views | Jango |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 23:26 - Jun 22 by Drizzy |
Unless you somehow believe the 2011 Libyan intervention was a success, anyone in the UK has the right to criticise the government's actions which have had the complete opposite of the intended effect. Libya's become even less stable and terror attacks on British citizens have become more frequent. People have the right to question our involvement. |
Libyans were committing these attacks before 2011. How about you question what these people stand for rather than point fingers elsewhere. | | | |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 23:39 - Jun 22 with 1445 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 20:31 - Jun 22 by Drizzy |
That wasn't an isolated incident of terror. It came nearly a decade of escalating tensions between Libya and the US. Two years after American airstrikes on Tripoli and Benghazi killed 30 civilians.
Far too many dismiss these attacks as random incidents of Islamic terror with no understanding of our rather active geopolitical role. We overthrew Gaddafi, killing civilians in the process, and gave his assets to an unstable puppet government resulting in another civil war 3 years later and a collapsed state. The perfect environment for breeding extremism.
If we're going to stop Islamic extremism we have to stop facilitating the destruction of states. That's obviously a very complex issue so the simple-minded will always look for something a bit easier, often to affirm their own anti-immigration agenda. |
The destruction of the Libyan state ironically sped up immigration of sub Saharan Africans which Gaddafi had blocked for decades. And led to vast numbers either luckily making it to Italy or not so luckily drowning in the Mediterranean.
Hilary “we came , we saw , he died” Clinton’s hands are saturated in blood. One of the wickedest acts in modern history. | |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 23:53 - Jun 22 with 1430 views | Jango |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 22:45 - Jun 22 by Drizzy |
I'm discussing the underlying reasons for why these crimes keep happening. That doesn't excuse the crime.
Right-wing shock jockeys use these incidents to drum up Islamophobia and anti-immigration rhetoric. This has the desired effects for Islamic extremists who want to further divisions and does nothing to address the root of the problem. |
And before you criticise those drumming up islamaphobia (which is wrong). Just remember you were quite happy for the entire police force to be dragged through the dirt in this country because of the actions of one officer in America. Muslim terrorists are a far bigger threat to white people in this country than police officers are to black people but you don’t want to hear that. [Post edited 22 Jun 2020 23:56]
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 00:31 - Jun 23 with 1396 views | Kerouac |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 21:11 - Jun 22 by Dr_Winston |
The West doesn't have the best track record when it comes to dealing with the Arab States/Middle East, going right back to the Empire building period, or perhaps the end of WW1 when randomly drawing lines on a map to delineate States was somehow seen as a better option than dividing things up along ethnic or religious lines.
Doesn't excuse the murder carried out by those to whom we have extended our hospitality however, whether it be more recent arrivals such as the Reading attacker or some of the 2nd/3rd Generation perpetrators of the 7/7 attacks. But then again it's probable that stirring up resentment was one of the aims of both. |
Re: Sykes/Picot that Dr. Winston refers to in this post.
It always amuses me that Leftys who claim that the partition of India was a great crime, simultaneously claim that the Sykes/Picot agreement was a great crime because it created states that contained people from different cultural backgrounds.
Of course things are always a little more complicated and before people criticise the decisions made by people in the past they first have to fully educate themselves and have enough wisdom to judge decisions based on what was possible in the context of the place and time. |  |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 02:12 - Jun 23 with 1360 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 23:33 - Jun 22 by Jango |
Libyans were committing these attacks before 2011. How about you question what these people stand for rather than point fingers elsewhere. |
Just keep sticking your fingers in your ears. You’ll hear anything but the truth | |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 07:15 - Jun 23 with 1294 views | Jango |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 02:12 - Jun 23 by Brynmill_Jack |
Just keep sticking your fingers in your ears. You’ll hear anything but the truth |
I’m fully aware of what’s gone on over the years. These people committing these crimes are pure scum though so let’s not make excuses. It turns out these 3 men were gay. If this had been committed by a white man there would be new marches on our streets telling us what a homophobic nation we are, but because it was by a Muslim terrorist the left are either completely silent or making excuses. Hypocrites. | | | |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 10:19 - Jun 23 with 1241 views | controversial_jack |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 19:35 - Jun 22 by Highjack |
Libyan terrorists were blowing up planes over Scotland in the 80’s.
We can blame Blair or Clinton or Bush as much as we want. This problem predates all of them. |
Iran was behind that, but Libya took the blame. | | | |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 10:44 - Jun 23 with 1221 views | Highjack |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 10:19 - Jun 23 by controversial_jack |
Iran was behind that, but Libya took the blame. |
That was jolly nice of them. | |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 10:45 - Jun 23 with 1218 views | controversial_jack |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 10:44 - Jun 23 by Highjack |
That was jolly nice of them. |
I don't think they had a choice | | | |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 11:55 - Jun 23 with 1176 views | Drizzy |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 07:15 - Jun 23 by Jango |
I’m fully aware of what’s gone on over the years. These people committing these crimes are pure scum though so let’s not make excuses. It turns out these 3 men were gay. If this had been committed by a white man there would be new marches on our streets telling us what a homophobic nation we are, but because it was by a Muslim terrorist the left are either completely silent or making excuses. Hypocrites. |
Again it doesn't excuse the crime it's asking the question of why we're at a greater risk of falling victim to random attacks compared to 10 years ago.
Your hypothethical scenario is absurd and irrelevant. | |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 12:03 - Jun 23 with 1166 views | NotLoyal |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 10:19 - Jun 23 by controversial_jack |
Iran was behind that, but Libya took the blame. |
Nearly killed John Lydon the cnts. |  |
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 15:32 - Jun 23 with 1107 views | pikeypaul |
Strange how they were all of very similar appearance, hardly a hair between the 3 of them.
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 15:40 - Jun 23 with 1103 views | pikeypaul |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 07:15 - Jun 23 by Jango |
I’m fully aware of what’s gone on over the years. These people committing these crimes are pure scum though so let’s not make excuses. It turns out these 3 men were gay. If this had been committed by a white man there would be new marches on our streets telling us what a homophobic nation we are, but because it was by a Muslim terrorist the left are either completely silent or making excuses. Hypocrites. |
100%, the lefties are running around in circles, not wanting to criticise the murderer but at the same time wanting to cry “gay crime” they are hating the fact it was not a white man that was the perpetrator .
Like you say can you imagine the hysteria from the usual suspects if it was a white man who committed the crime.
Next weeks march should be homosexuals lives matter and everyone will be “taking the knee” for them.
I did not know they were 3 homosexuals before you posted it Jango.
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| Reports of multiple stabbing on 16:00 - Jun 23 with 1086 views | pikeypaul |
| Reports of multiple stabbing on 22:26 - Jun 22 by Jango |
You’re finding excuses for a man who has just stabbed 3 innocent people to death. Doesn’t get much lower than that. |
But that’s what his type do and always will, they hate our country.
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