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Reply | Gardening leave for Russell Martin
at 19:08 20 Dec 2024
So why all the stories about having to pay RM £10m? Actually some clubs do pay out immediately. Man Utd said they'd paid out to Ten Haag to get rid of him. If SFC did the same with RM it was stupid. Do like Roma do, even if not in Rome. |
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Thread | Gardening leave for Russell Martin
at 12:02 20 Dec 2024
This is a side point to our change of manager, regarding what I have said about putting Russell Martin on "gardening leave". That is what we should have done with RM to avoid the cost of sacking him and it appears to be what Roma did with Juric. Note the tweet from Fabrizio Romano:
Roma sacked him on 10th November, yet he is now "formally working on exit terms". That means he is still contracted to them even though he was sacked as manager 6 weeks ago. By doing this, Roma will avoid having to pay him compensation because he will now want to be freed from his contract so that he can come to Saints. Now it all comes down to a negotiation where Juric will accept less than his full compensation so that he is free to work here.
If SFC really put themselves in a position where they had to pay RM his full 3 year contract, or the £10-12m that was rumoured, then that would be incompetent. We should have put him on gardening leave and waited until a Championship club offered him a job, like Roma have clearly done with Juric.
Edit: the tweet appears to be censored but anyway you get the idea [Post edited 20 Dec 12:06]
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Reply | Ivan Jurić
at 10:52 20 Dec 2024
Also, Dirk, I think you're missing his 2 successful seasons with Verona in Serie A. He did a good job keeping the relegation favourites up. He was then poached by Torino and did an OK job with them (3 seasons mid table) before an amicable separation and him joining his most recent club Roma (sacked after 12 games, won 4, drawn 3, lost 5). |
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Reply | Ivan Jurić
at 10:44 20 Dec 2024
RM would die for a record like his - and we wouldn't be in the relegation zone if we had that record.
Hardly inspiring, but what have we got to lose on a 6 month contract? Even God would have a tough job keeping us up now. He may not be a great coach but he can't be worse than RM. He seems to have done a decent job on low budgets, making clubs play above their level, so maybe there's something to him. |
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Reply | Looks like it's Carlos Corberan
at 17:13 19 Dec 2024
One of the other comments I read was about the rumour that Corberan would go to Wolves. The comment was:
"I think it?s just what Wolves deserve, why should we be the only ones to be bored to death" |
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Reply | Looks like it's Carlos Corberan
at 16:31 19 Dec 2024
Who do you think made this comment:
"We are so slow in the build up, there is no movement and we have too many players playing as holding players only comfortable doing easy sideways passing but funnily enough they cant do that consistently. Ultimately, no chances created hence no goals, pretty obvious to the so called get it up the field supporters."
Must be a Saints fan talking about an RM side, right? Wrong. It's a WBA fan talking about Corberan. It seems he gets almost as much stick for his "patient" build up play as RM does. |
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Reply | Liverpool Carabao Cup Game Matchday Thread
at 12:40 18 Dec 2024
I made other plans for this evening but really hoping we do well now (tbh didn't have much interest if RM was still here). But the squad will have had no preparation time to do anything different to what they've been doing under RM so probably another thrashing, but maybe the players will feel a weight has been lifted and will play with freedom. Hopefully we'll show enough to convince an incoming manager that there's something to work with. |
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Reply | Have we a new Manager yet?
at 10:16 18 Dec 2024
It all comes back to Ankersen though.
Jones - Ankersen's choice
Jesse Marsch - targeted by the non-Ankersen board members after the Jones debacle to recreate the high pressing style we played under Ralph. Agreed to join but then changed his mind when it became clear that there would be a clash of styles with the new DOF i.e.:
Wilcox - recruited by Ankersen. So, instead of Marsch, we had:
Selles - put in place to deliver the Ankersen/Wilcox model, which worked predictably badly with comical attempts to play out from the back, but Ankersen decides it's not his strategy that's wrong, so it must be Selles. He and Wilcox double down on the passing game, so we get:
Russell Martin
and we all lived happily ever after. |
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Reply | Whats The Chances Of A New Manager Before The Weekend
at 13:55 17 Dec 2024
Dragan has been conned by Ankersen and if he lets it happen again then, yes, he would be an idiot. But how do you know what the choices are? For the managers you want, how do you know they're available? I'm pretty sure no big names will want to be associated with this sh*t show so it's probably just a choice between Championship type managers, of which Rohl seems as good a gamble as any. |
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Reply | Southampton Need To Unite The Supporters With Next Manager Appointment
at 12:19 17 Dec 2024
If you're not playing possession football, that doesn't mean you're "lumping it forward at the earliest opportunity". Only Everton come close to that style. They have the lowest possession stats.
But 2nd lowest are Forest with 41%. Possession football means trying to dominate possession. If that's what Forest are trying to do, then they are failing badly. But obviously they're doing very well in their non-possession style. They're 4th.
Watching them play, they are neither trying to dominate possession nor lump it forward. It's a similar story with B'mouth and others.
"Possession Football" has a specific meaning: trying to control the game by dominating possession. There are many teams in the PL that don't try to do that, and I really hope we become one of them. |
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Reply | Southampton Need To Unite The Supporters With Next Manager Appointment
at 11:41 17 Dec 2024
"...he needs to change the playing style, that does not mean that possession football should be completely ditched, everyone plays it..."
That's not true. Of course everyone would prefer to keep the ball rather than give it away, but possession football means prioritising possession of the ball, rather than taking risks and counter attacking quickly. There are some teams in the PL that try to play that way, but there are many that don't prioritise possession at all. They prioritise speed of attacking or getting players in the box and crossing instead.
Mostly it is the teams at the bottom with the lesser players that are counter attacking or direct teams, but even at the top there are teams that could never be described as possession based. Forest, B'mouth and Villa are all in the top 7 but you could never describe their style as possession football.
If SR decide (illogically) that they want to continue their blueprint of playing possession football then there is a high probability that they will make another bad appointment. |
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Reply | Rohl
at 16:51 16 Dec 2024
The managers who would definitely improve us will not want to come. So Rohl is a good option from the ones that are left. But I think he'll be unavailable too.
He signed a new contract in the summer through to 2027. Buying him out of that will cost close to whatever has to be paid to RM in severance. That will put SR off. And that's if Sheff Wed even allow us to talk to him and he wants to swap SWFC for SFC. The legal battles that followed from RM leaving Swansea will put SR off anything that treads on SWFC's toes. All in all, I can't see it happening. SR are more likely to go for an unemployed manager. |
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Reply | Who Do You Want For The Next Saints Manager
at 11:29 16 Dec 2024
There really aren't any who would even consider it that look like great choices. That's down to how SR have mismanaged the whole thing. Their football decisions have been an ongoing disaster.
So, on that basis we have to go for something of a gamble and the best gamble for me is Danny Rohl. It's encouraging to see that the bookies have him as favourite at the moment. My guess though is that he's also unlikely. He may think he's at a better club now and it may prove difficult to even be allowed to talk to him. |
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Reply | Gary O'Neal
at 10:10 16 Dec 2024
I'd take him. I don't care about the Pompey stuff. What's the problem with someone deserting the blue few and being on our side?
Look what he did at B'mouth with a squad that Scott Parker said weren't anywhere good enough for the PL. This year he was unlucky with the fixtures they had to start with. Not saying he'd rescue us but he'd probably do a decent job. |
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Reply | Who said that it was a good time to play Spurs
at 10:00 16 Dec 2024
I said that! I stick by it too. I didn't say we were going to win. My entry in the prediction league was 1-3. It turned out worse because we were just fckn hopeless on the night. The defending and structure wasn't even League 2 standard. Give any big 6 opponent that kind of time and space and you will get slaughtered. |
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Reply | It’s going to be Lallana, isn’t it?
at 09:53 16 Dec 2024
We have to start again. We have to tear down what's there and build from scratch. That means starting with the defence and that is one of many reasons why Lallana is the wrong choice - but I agree he might get the gig, because no real managers want it now. |
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Thread | Perfect time to play Spurs
at 14:15 13 Dec 2024
Rusty has been complaining about our luck this season. But he can't complain about the scheduling of this fixture. Spurs:
- have only 4 points from their last 5 games
- are now in the bottom half of the table
- have a long injury list
- had 7 youngsters on th bench for their last game
- try to play out from the back with Fraser Forster in the side
- played a Thursday night European away game where they had to work hard
- deserved to lose to Rangers who aren't up to PL standards
- a senior player, Timo Werner, was publicly slammed by the manager
- another senior player, Romero, has just publicly criticised the club
- the manager is not just under pressure but is clearly showing it too
Surely, even a Russell Martin side can't lose at home to this lot???
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Thread | Rumour suggests terrible news
at 18:23 12 Dec 2024
Football Insider seem to be publishing Saints rumours sourced from Mick Brown. No idea if he has an inside track or not, but he seems to have been right so far. The latest from him, if it's right, confirms my fears: if we sack Rusty, they're just going to appoint Rusty Lite.
https://www.footballinsider247.com/southampton-work-on-russell-martin-replacemen
The article says: "If they do make a change, I wouldn’t expect it to be a completely different style. They, rightly or wrongly, want to continue with the progressive football and building from the back."
I only hope that someone on the board has 2 brain cells and can see the contradiction here. To quote the article:
"Their constant defensive errors, which are quickly becoming a feature of Martin’s side, have seen them ship 31 goals in that time – the second-worst in the division. As a result, scrutiny and pressure is continuing to grow both on the manager and the board and a change may have to be made soon."
So, Rusty faces the sack because of the defensive errors, which are mostly caused by trying to play out from the back, yet they want to appoint another manager who plays the same way? If this is true, it is like a scene from Dumb and Dumber.
The consolation would be that at least we'd be one step nearer to ditching this nonsense. Soon they'll be faced with the evidence that any manager that tries to play this way in the PL will fail. So far, 2 have tried it (Selles and RM). One more failure should be enough to get the message across. |
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Reply | Southampton Planning To Keep Faith With Russell Martin But Why !
at 15:32 11 Dec 2024
Wilcox was part of the problem, not the solution. He was a key part of Ankersen's Man City Lite strategy. It's actually a blessing that he wasn't replaced while the club is still in thrall to the possession game and tippy tappy players with no physicality. We need a DOF who can see that's all bullsh*t that takes us nowhere. |
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