| Martinez 00:26 - Dec 21 with 7919 views | rockin |
I read on here at how bad a manager he was and that he'd be a disaster at Everton and what an awful job he did at Wigan.
Ummm, no.
A truly brilliant manager, just like Rodgers.
We should be proud of what these guys have done.
Huw Jenkins has an unbeliable track record.
Where as once Swans Everton would have been a dour game, now it should be an awesome fixture.
Well done Roberto, outstanding job [Post edited 21 Dec 2013 0:40]
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| Martinez on 16:26 - Dec 21 with 1490 views | Drizzy |
| Martinez on 16:11 - Dec 21 by Darran |
Aye but as I said earlier he could have hung around a bit longer at Wigan the cloob he loves so much to help them get back in the Prem if he wasn't all about himself.
The thing is he loved Wigan so much but he obviously loved Everton even more.
Theres no inferiority complex from me I wouldn't want the c*nt near Swansea City because you couldn't guarantee he'd hang around.
The bloke might play good football but hes a f*cking snake. |
Darran look at what you've just posted, mate.
Unless Davey Whelan has got his UEFA Pro License I don't believe there's a manager in world football who would not have went to Everton from Wigan in his situation. He's a professional who'll do anything to succeed in his profession.
Absurd logic for not wanting him back especially considering many on here are resigned to the fact that Laudrup may not be here beyond this season. |  |
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| Martinez on 16:30 - Dec 21 with 1480 views | Drizzy |
| Martinez on 16:19 - Dec 21 by Rancid |
Bollox.Bruce had led them to mid table the season before. |
Not when you look at what actually happened that season rather than just the league table. They went on a horrendous run at the end of the year and were buoyed by final day results going their way. [Post edited 21 Dec 2013 16:30]
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| Martinez on 16:35 - Dec 21 with 1466 views | Jackanapes |
| Martinez on 16:30 - Dec 21 by Drizzy |
Not when you look at what actually happened that season rather than just the league table. They went on a horrendous run at the end of the year and were buoyed by final day results going their way. [Post edited 21 Dec 2013 16:30]
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But they finished 11 points clear of relegation? That's some serious buoying for 1 result. [Post edited 21 Dec 2013 16:40]
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| Martinez on 16:39 - Dec 21 with 1460 views | Jackanapes |
Yes such a close affair. What a bulb.
11 Wigan 38 8 5 6 17 18 4 4 11 17 27 -11 45
12 Stoke 38 10 5 4 22 15 2 4 13 16 40 -17 45
13 Bolton 38 7 5 7 21 21 4 3 12 20 32 -12 41
14 Portsmouth 38 8 3 8 26 29 2 8 9 12 28 -19 41
15 Blackburn 38 6 7 6 22 23 4 4 11 18 37 -20 41
16 Sunderland 38 6 3 10 21 25 3 6 10 13 29 -20 36
17 Hull 38 3 5 11 18 36 5 6 8 21 28 -25 35
18 Newcastle 38 5 7 7 24 29 2 6 11 16 30 -19 34 (R)
19 Middlesbro 38 5 9 5 17 20 2 2 15 11 37 -29 32 (R)
20 West Brom 38 7 3 9 26 33 1 5 13 10 34 -31 32 (R) | |
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| Martinez on 16:50 - Dec 21 with 1443 views | Drizzy |
If you actually watched the football being played you'd realise they weren't a very good team. Terrible run at the end of the season and struggled to score goals.
By all means keep trying this pointless points scoring exercise as you have very little else to contribute. Please feel free to address any other argument in my OP. Have a nice day. [Post edited 21 Dec 2013 16:51]
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| Martinez on 16:58 - Dec 21 with 1424 views | Jackanapes |
| Martinez on 16:50 - Dec 21 by Drizzy |
If you actually watched the football being played you'd realise they weren't a very good team. Terrible run at the end of the season and struggled to score goals.
By all means keep trying this pointless points scoring exercise as you have very little else to contribute. Please feel free to address any other argument in my OP. Have a nice day. [Post edited 21 Dec 2013 16:51]
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They were a better team than 9 other Premier sides.
Im not sure what you mean about me not contributing, I'm contributing a line of thought, backed up by evidence, that wholehearted disagrees with the original post, and all of yours. This isnt your thread, unless you are rockin? | |
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| Martinez on 17:11 - Dec 21 with 1411 views | rockin |
| Martinez on 16:05 - Dec 21 by Drizzy |
Rockin you're absolutely spot on.
I posted a similar thread on here a few weeks ago after Everton drew away at Arsenal after putting in a performance worthy of a win.
Roberto Martinez is an exciting and ambitious manager who has a bright future in football and he's proving that at Everton.
A lot is said about his time at Wigan and how he apparently turned them from a solid mid table outfit to relegation contenders which is quite obviously wrong.
In the three seasons before Roberto Wigan averaged 41 points. In his four seasons at the club they averaged 39.25 points. Hardly the kind of catastrophic demise that the likes of O'Boogs and his band of scorned lovers continue to perpetrate. That's ignoring myriad factors involving the club's financial situation and the small matter of winning the FA Cup.
There's a persistent inferiority complex that manifests in peculiar ways despite the meteoric rise of Swansea City to a successful and established Premier League club. Some fans still can't get over the circumstances in which Martinez left and the negative rumours surrounding his time here have become more and more bizarre.
This is a fanbase and a city that is fearful of true success which is we still have a significant proportion of people who are against a significant stadium expansion. It's why we have people complaining about the number of "foreign" fans and the globalisation of the club. It's why we still have number of people (admittedly small) who still think Ferrie Bodde would waltz into our current midfield ahead of the likes of de Guzman.
However the failure to recognise the significance of Martinez's time here is just plain ignorant. The "El Greaseball" comments are cringe inducing, the jokes about his hair loss are churlish and the "Judas" remarks are just plain laughable. It was amusing and somewhat justified in the immediate aftermath of his departure but four years on people continue to express the same vitriol and bitterness.
They're happy to lick their wounds and push the same old sorrowful narrative: "poor old Swansea shafted by the man with hunger and ambition". |
Absolutely fantastic post, spot on. | | | |
| Martinez on 17:16 - Dec 21 with 1402 views | rockin |
Arguably one of the most unbelievable achievements over the last 20 years, Wigan winning the FA cup. Unbelievable achievement.
It just amuses me that people attribute his time at Wigan as poor. I'll say it again if that was the case no clubs would have shown and interest and he never have been idolized like he was by his superiors.
He would have been sacked long ago and gone off into the distance. If you believe otherwise you're more naive than I thought.
He has revolutionized Everton already and now Rodgers is taking Liverpool back to being title contenders. We were very blessed, very blessed indeed. | | | |
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| Martinez on 17:17 - Dec 21 with 1401 views | Jackanapes |
| Martinez on 17:11 - Dec 21 by rockin |
Absolutely fantastic post, spot on. |
Spot on except for all the bits that are factually incorrect. | |
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| Martinez on 17:19 - Dec 21 with 1399 views | Jackanapes |
"If you believe otherwise you're more naive than I thought"
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| Martinez on 17:25 - Dec 21 with 1389 views | Jackanapes |
So people who make judgements based on facts are naive if those judgements contradict your beliefs? I think I'm representing that correctly. | |
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| Martinez on 17:27 - Dec 21 with 1383 views | Darran |
So who was the manager that oversaw Wigan getting relegated if it wasn't Martinez then?  |  |
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| Martinez on 17:35 - Dec 21 with 1365 views | exiledclaseboy |
I love it when Rockin' here. Never fails to create a debate and a reaction. Legend. |  |
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| Martinez on 17:37 - Dec 21 with 1351 views | Phil_S |
Martinez was a bollocks manager
As was Rodgers
Joe Allen was a crap midfielder who was overrated for all his time here
Scott Sinclair was rubbish and would never have scored if he hadnt have scored all those penalties
Same for Jason Scotland
Michu will have been a one season wonder when he departs
Laudrup is already overrated in many quarters
Its what we do - we rewrite history... |  | | |
| Martinez on 17:37 - Dec 21 with 1345 views | Darran |
| Martinez on 17:35 - Dec 21 by exiledclaseboy |
I love it when Rockin' here. Never fails to create a debate and a reaction. Legend. |
Indeed,shame the big massive bender keeps going AWOL. | |
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| Martinez on 17:42 - Dec 21 with 1329 views | rockin |
| Martinez on 17:37 - Dec 21 by Darran |
Indeed,shame the big massive bender keeps going AWOL. |
It comes down to money and Phillip will not come up with the goods. | | | |
| Martinez on 18:32 - Dec 21 with 1283 views | bermudajack |
| Martinez on 17:37 - Dec 21 by Phil_S |
Martinez was a bollocks manager
As was Rodgers
Joe Allen was a crap midfielder who was overrated for all his time here
Scott Sinclair was rubbish and would never have scored if he hadnt have scored all those penalties
Same for Jason Scotland
Michu will have been a one season wonder when he departs
Laudrup is already overrated in many quarters
Its what we do - we rewrite history... |
I think both managers benefitted greatly by others...
In my humble opinion, both manages have similar traits, both took on squads that needed more of an attacking threat, both had quite solid defences for their prospective leagues but lacked that goal scoring flair/ threat. Both managers brought in pace out wide and both loved to dominate possession.
The building blocks arguably could be attributed toward Flynn and our ultimate survival 10 yrs ago, Jackett brought some steel and beefed up our squad.
Rodgers added discipline to our fitness and a scoring edge to get us here and survive.
Laudrup has brought in foreign quality that compliments our style without breaking our financial structure, tweeked our singular approach and given us variety, a trophy and Europe...
But Martinez changed the way we played completely. He installed our new DNA, our board loved it, our fans loved it and every manager/ player since has benefitted from it. The way he left was unfortunate, we knew we had ' the special one' when he dumped us for bloody Wigan we were gutted, outraged etc.
without doubt his time here will be looked upon as a major turning point for the club.
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| Martinez on 18:36 - Dec 21 with 1275 views | rockin |
| Martinez on 18:32 - Dec 21 by bermudajack |
I think both managers benefitted greatly by others...
In my humble opinion, both manages have similar traits, both took on squads that needed more of an attacking threat, both had quite solid defences for their prospective leagues but lacked that goal scoring flair/ threat. Both managers brought in pace out wide and both loved to dominate possession.
The building blocks arguably could be attributed toward Flynn and our ultimate survival 10 yrs ago, Jackett brought some steel and beefed up our squad.
Rodgers added discipline to our fitness and a scoring edge to get us here and survive.
Laudrup has brought in foreign quality that compliments our style without breaking our financial structure, tweeked our singular approach and given us variety, a trophy and Europe...
But Martinez changed the way we played completely. He installed our new DNA, our board loved it, our fans loved it and every manager/ player since has benefitted from it. The way he left was unfortunate, we knew we had ' the special one' when he dumped us for bloody Wigan we were gutted, outraged etc.
without doubt his time here will be looked upon as a major turning point for the club.
I for one will welcome him back tomorrow |
Absolutely. You have to look at things in the round, it all stems back to Flynn who arguably did the best job of the lot - don't forget he recruited Martinez and we still have Leon Britton!
Each manager since then has to an extent improved us, but as you rightly highlight our philosophy was introduced by Martinez. That is our brand and it's the reason we're top half of the league and more importantly than that we can ATTRACT the best players and managers. If we were a classic hoofer team we may have scraped a season or two at best. | | | |
| Martinez on 20:28 - Dec 21 with 1227 views | max936 |
| Martinez on 17:11 - Dec 21 by rockin |
Absolutely fantastic post, spot on. |
So Swansea never had the hunger and ambition for him then? fukme sidewards. |  |
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| Martinez on 20:43 - Dec 21 with 1216 views | stircrazyjack |
| Martinez on 20:28 - Dec 21 by max936 |
So Swansea never had the hunger and ambition for him then? fukme sidewards. |
Bobby is a talented manager but let's not pretend he worked on a shoestring budget at Wigan. They spent huge amounts on transfers and spent more than all but the top 6 clubs. |  | | |
| Martinez on 20:52 - Dec 21 with 1198 views | max936 |
| Martinez on 20:43 - Dec 21 by stircrazyjack |
Bobby is a talented manager but let's not pretend he worked on a shoestring budget at Wigan. They spent huge amounts on transfers and spent more than all but the top 6 clubs. |
Spot on, the utter c:nt bought the players for Wigan that he had scouted while at the Swans, who had paid for those scouting missions, the tw@t is a slimy tw@t and will never change, I'd have Rogers back in a heartbeat though if he became available and if and when Laudrup leaves. [Post edited 21 Dec 2013 20:55]
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| Martinez on 21:19 - Dec 21 with 1178 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
Martinez =Swansea City Legend. |  |
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| Martinez on 22:42 - Dec 21 with 1139 views | Townhill_Hilton |
| Martinez on 00:36 - Dec 21 by rockin |
All the people I know who follow the swans have a similar viewpoint to myself now, the respect has returned.
These guys built this club up and I thank them for it. |
Well said.
My view too. |  | | |
| Martinez on 22:47 - Dec 21 with 1137 views | Townhill_Hilton |
| Martinez on 13:44 - Dec 21 by rockin |
No you wouldn't, you'd have a hissy fit.
After a few scintillating performances and a run of victories you'd be like a choir boy.
As would Jobbie and all the rest.
Does make me laugh how bitter some people still are, genuinely laughable.
If it wasn't for the two names mentioned we'd still be scratching around the championship playing hoof ball watched by less than 14k, if not league 1.
Our niche is our style and he was the pioneer. |
Aye, and it was the compo that we received from both that allowed us to reinvest in better qualifty players.
It's time to bury any hatchets and enjoy the ever growing Swansea influence in the Premier League, and as that Guardian article a few weeks ago showed, neither of the two managers are shy in giving our club the fullest of appreciation for the opportunity that we gave them.
Just another thing to be proud of about our club, in my view. | | | |
| Martinez on 22:53 - Dec 21 with 1130 views | reddythered |
| Martinez on 17:27 - Dec 21 by Darran |
So who was the manager that oversaw Wigan getting relegated if it wasn't Martinez then? |
I'd suggest finances and the fact fotball doesn't appear to be the most popular sport there helped that. Could argue Martinez did a decent job keeping them up in years before.
Think he's done a cracking job with Everton, arguably better than Rodgers at Liverpool as Rodgers has more talent at his club. | |
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