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Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages 10:02 - Jan 15 with 1160 views

Government plans to repeal sections of the Northern Ireland Troubles Act 2023 may mean that IRA members can claim damages for internment paid by the tax payer. Experts say this could cost us millions.

'Hilary Benn, the Northern Ireland Secretary, said that the decision to repeal the law underlined “the Government’s absolute commitment to the Human Rights Act”.'

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/pm-to-pay-damages-to-gerry-adams/ar-BB1rsw

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Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 10:06 - Jan 15 with 1024 views

Luther27

Why am I not surprised by this. People have forgotten the horrors these terrorists put us the general public through.
Little changes no one notices like try and find a bin to dump your rubbish in Paddington station. There aren’t any….check out why.

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 10:13 - Jan 15 with 1017 views

onehunglow

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 10:06 - Jan 15 by Luther27
Why am I not surprised by this. People have forgotten the horrors these terrorists put us the general public through. Little changes no one notices like try and find a bin to dump your rubbish in Paddington station. There aren’t any….check out why.

Yes,it’s the nasty Brits again
God,were awful aren’t we.

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majorraglan

From what I can see it’s more complex than the headline suggests and the headlines are half a story with an anti Labour twist from the Telegraph.

The government’s hand has been forced after the Northern Ireland High Court ruled that the 2023 Northern Ireland Troubles Act was incompatible will the Human Rights Act following legislation which was initiated in the Northern Ireland Court. There are several historical cases which have lead up to this (mainly lost by our government) which eventually resulted in the last government introducing legislation which wouldn’t stand the test of scrutiny.

I’m not for 1 minute in favour of paying Adam’s and his ilk or the loyalists on the other side any compo, but I do believe in the rule of law whether I like the decisions or not.

It’s time to revisit the HRA and tweak it so it can’t be abused.

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 11:48 - Jan 15 with 964 views

AnotherJohn

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 11:07 - Jan 15 by majorraglan

So is the best way forward to amend the HRA rather than the Northern Ireland Troubles Act?

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majorraglan

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 11:48 - Jan 15 by AnotherJohn
So is the best way forward to amend the HRA rather than the Northern Ireland Troubles Act?

The NI Troubles Act is “illegal” and looks dead in the water, I suspect the same principles, even if applied in some kind of new legislation will still fall foul of of the NI High Court ruling.
We Gould change the HR Act to address other things we aren’t happy about, such as not being able to deport criminals etc.

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 13:47 - Jan 15 with 884 views

felixstowe_jack

Wonder if family members of victims of IRA terrorism can now sue the IRA members who get cash payments.

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Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 14:01 - Jan 15 with 866 views

Boundy

"The legal basis for this decision stems from a controversial Supreme Court ruling that overturned the established Carltona principle. This principle allowed powers conferred on a secretary of state to be exercised by others, such as a Minister of State, ensuring the efficient functioning of government. The Supreme Court's judgment in the case of R v Adams disrupted this long-standing precedent and opened the door for claims of wrongful imprisonment by individuals like Adams"
Why has this government been so quick to p++s off so many in so little time , pensioners, farmers, employers it seems everyone .The PO scandal for example where innocent and vindicated innocent sub post masters still waiting to be recompensed ,now we have another decision by Starmer to allow terrorists to claim yet more money form us the tax payer , I wonder if that's been fully costed because it wasn't mentioned in their manifesto. I stand corrected it is in their manifesto in that they were looking to repealing the Legacy and Reconciliation Act.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/congratulations-keir-starmer-you-can-add-i

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"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."

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AnotherJohn

The law bearing on this topic is complex and may be further contested. It seems that Starmer is exploring other ways to block civil proceedings in pursuit of compensation, which had been prohibited by the Legacy Act in a way that the NI High Court ruled was incompatible with the Windsor Agreement and the ECHR. It isn't yet clear that this court judgement will set a principle on this matter that cannot be overturned. This is the Policy Exchange's take on the judgement.

https://policyexchange.org.uk/publication/misjudging-parliaments-reversal-of-the

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Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 17:59 - Jan 15 with 743 views

Kilkennyjack

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 10:13 - Jan 15 by onehunglow
Yes,it’s the nasty Brits again God,were awful aren’t we.

Well its not a Brits thing, its a Tory thing.

At the time the BBC said ‘ The controversial act has been opposed by victims' groups and all the main political parties in Northern Ireland - while the UK government maintains the law is human rights compliant and draws a line under the past’.

All the political parties in NI opposed this load of Tory bs.
Victims groups also opposed this Bill.

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Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 18:12 - Jan 15 with 723 views

onehunglow

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 17:59 - Jan 15 by Kilkennyjack
Well its not a Brits thing, its a Tory thing. At the time the BBC said ‘ The controversial act has been opposed by victims' groups and all the main political parties in Northern Ireland - while the UK government maintains the law is human rights compliant and draws a line under the past’. All the political parties in NI opposed this load of Tory bs. Victims groups also opposed this Bill.

Labour first send in the troops
They stayed as the Irish were butchering each other

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Kilkennyjack

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 18:12 - Jan 15 by onehunglow
Labour first send in the troops They stayed as the Irish were butchering each other

But factually the Tories raised this bill that nobody supported.

Incompetent and unfit to govern - which is why they were thrown out in disgrace.

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Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 09:25 - Jan 16 with 638 views

felixstowe_jack

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 18:33 - Jan 15 by Kilkennyjack
But factually the Tories raised this bill that nobody supported. Incompetent and unfit to govern - which is why they were thrown out in disgrace.

Still no answer from you about the IRA and Sinn Fein providing money to compensate the families of victims the murdered or maimed.

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onehunglow

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 18:33 - Jan 15 by Kilkennyjack
But factually the Tories raised this bill that nobody supported. Incompetent and unfit to govern - which is why they were thrown out in disgrace.

Callaghan sent the troops i
I actually remember the day
Trouble is this part of the Union is split on religious lines .Still.
We really should not have filled the province with Scottish Protestant dregs to keep it British .
Ideally, a land we should have let go and let them get on with it .
Omagh
Who did it

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Kilkennyjack

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 10:48 - Jan 16 by onehunglow
Callaghan sent the troops i I actually remember the day Trouble is this part of the Union is split on religious lines .Still. We really should not have filled the province with Scottish Protestant dregs to keep it British . Ideally, a land we should have let go and let them get on with it . Omagh Who did it

Our fellow Cymro, David Lloyd George ,devised the partition of Ireland.

A failure with a global profile.

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onehunglow

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 14:47 - Jan 16 by Kilkennyjack
Our fellow Cymro, David Lloyd George ,devised the partition of Ireland. A failure with a global profile.

I know.
Can’t really disagree.
Gog ,see.

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AnotherJohn

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 16:12 - Jan 16 by onehunglow
I know. Can’t really disagree. Gog ,see.

Another lawyer PM, although apparently the only one so far to have practiced as a solicitor rather than a barrister. A Gog who was born in Manchester, but whose first language was Welsh.

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SullutaCreturned

No terrorist should get any compensation, they already got a free pass for all that murdering.

Gerry Adams, as far as I'm concerned proof has been provided that he was part of it and there should be a way to legally prevent him from claiming any compo. If there's not then it's yet more proof the world is screwed.

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 18:55 - Jan 16 with 407 views

onehunglow

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 17:44 - Jan 16 by SullutaCreturned
No terrorist should get any compensation, they already got a free pass for all that murdering. Gerry Adams, as far as I'm concerned proof has been provided that he was part of it and there should be a way to legally prevent him from claiming any compo. If there's not then it's yet more proof the world is screwed.

A terrorist and one along with much missed Marty Mac ,who made sure the British filth suffered for the sins of our fathers . This included the likes of lovely lads like Tim Parry,out with his mum and day shopping .
Yeah,real warriors wee sein fein IRA

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Kilkennyjack

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 18:55 - Jan 16 by onehunglow
A terrorist and one along with much missed Marty Mac ,who made sure the British filth suffered for the sins of our fathers . This included the likes of lovely lads like Tim Parry,out with his mum and day shopping . Yeah,real warriors wee sein fein IRA

We should all be celebrating the last 20 years of peace.
Going back is not a good idea.
Nobody deserved to lose their life.

Its not all good vs bad though.
Two sides to every story.

Collusion betwern loyalist terrorists and British Crown Forces did immense damage to community relations, sadly the army moved away from trying to keep the peace.

Here is a famous ecample, a lawyer murdered. Not a gunman, a lawyer.

Patrick Finucane (38), a Catholic civilian, was shot dead by members of the Ulster Freedom Fighters (UFF), a cover name (pseudonym) used by the Ulster Defence Association (UDA). Finucane was a Belfast solicitor who had represented a number of Republicans. He was killed at his home, Fortwilliam Drive, off Antrim Road, Belfast, in front of the members of his family. The shooting followed comments made (on 17 January 1989) by Douglas Hogg, then a British Home Office Minister, about a "number of solicitors in Northern Ireland who are unduly sympathetic to the cause of the IRA". [There were a number of accusations that there had been collusion between Loyalist paramilitaries and the security forces in the killing of Finucane. There were futher claims of collusion on 29 August 1989. On 17 April 1999 John Stevens, then deputy commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, returned to Northern Ireland to launch a third Inquiry specifically into the killing of Finucane. He also began to investigate allegations raised by campaign group British-Irish Rights Watch and the United Nations. Stevens' third report was presented to the Police Service of Northern Ireland (PSNI) on 17 April 2003. The report concluded that there had been collusion in the killing of Finucane between members of the security forces, especially the Force Research Unit (FRU), and Loyalists.

Best to try and look forward.

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onehunglow

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 08:31 - Jan 17 by Kilkennyjack

Fair comment and that means no compensation to terrorists as that opens up old wounds

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felixstowe_jack

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 08:31 - Jan 17 by Kilkennyjack

No mention of the Collusion between the Irish government and the IRA. With the Irish Government giving IRA terrorist from the North safe sanctuary.

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trampie

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 12:55 - Jan 17 by felixstowe_jack
No mention of the Collusion between the Irish government and the IRA. With the Irish Government giving IRA terrorist from the North safe sanctuary.

Can't be arsed to go looking for links for people on the net, but im sure I've seen it that the Irish Government hung far more IRA members than what the British did and the Irish authorities were also accused of scores of extra judicial killings of IRA members as well.

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trampie

The bottom line is the English/Brits/Loyalists/Unionists were the baddies, you can't go treating the indigenous population as second class citizens and expect no push back.

Jailing people without trial, you would expect that in a war......oh dear, they said it wasn't a war but acted like it was soldiers on the street, internment, curfews etc.
But the bad behaviour by the English types was well before jailing people without trial, it was no jobs, no votes for many, housing issues etc for the indigenous types, although the people in power, local government etc were the English types.

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SullutaCreturned

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 13:47 - Jan 17 by trampie
Can't be arsed to go looking for links for people on the net, but im sure I've seen it that the Irish Government hung far more IRA members than what the British did and the Irish authorities were also accused of scores of extra judicial killings of IRA members as well.

The Irish government executed IRA members during the Irish Civil War and World War II

The Irish Free State government executed 81 IRA members during the Irish Civil War.

The Irish government executed IRA members who committed criminal offenses during the war.
For example, George Plant was executed in 1942 for murdering a suspected informer.
Charlie Kerins, the chief of staff of the IRA from 1942 to 1944, was also executed for murdering a local police officer.

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Kilkennyjack

Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages on 15:28 - Jan 17 by SullutaCreturned

True but a bit potentially misleading.

The fall out between the irish Free Staters and the remaing IRA was based on Michael Collins agreeing to the partition of Ireland.

The IRA wanted a free whole Ireland, staying true to the cause of an Ireland not just Gaelic, not just free …but both Gaelic and free.
But the British threatened a terrible war if partition was not agreed.
That would threaten any of Ireland being free.

Everyone actually wanted a united Ireland, but the Free Staters reluctantly decided to take the British offer.
Michael Collins paid with his life.
War was avoided.

But all parties wanted a united Ireland, its just how we get there. Michael Collins said partition gave Ireland ‘the freedom to achieve freedom’ (in tbe north).

Only the Brits (and specifically the Brits planted in the north) actually wanted the loyalist Northern Ireland statelet.

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