| Time to move Key? 10:19 - Nov 28 with 2395 views | onehunglow |
He s not really the best defender is he?
Howeve ,going forward he looks a unit so maybe playing him in a wide midfield role might help us We can cover at RB
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| Time to move Key? on 10:24 - Nov 28 with 1727 views | Whiterockin |
He is fine where he is, playing RB and adding numbers in midfield. If anything he would go to 10 but Cullen is playing very well there. |  | | |
| Time to move Key? on 10:26 - Nov 28 with 1725 views | onehunglow |
| Time to move Key? on 10:24 - Nov 28 by Whiterockin |
He is fine where he is, playing RB and adding numbers in midfield. If anything he would go to 10 but Cullen is playing very well there. |
Well,thanks for that replay.
I was just thinking out aloud.
Could have said the same about Tymon
Sometimes,I’m not sure whether expressing an opinion on here is worth the hassle | |
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| Time to move Key? on 11:20 - Nov 28 with 1644 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Time to move Key? on 10:26 - Nov 28 by onehunglow |
Well,thanks for that replay.
I was just thinking out aloud.
Could have said the same about Tymon
Sometimes,I’m not sure whether expressing an opinion on here is worth the hassle |
Opinions are always welcome. If you get 10 football fans they will all give you different opinions on players.
Most think the can pick better teams than the manager and could get our team playing to their strengths. | |
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| Time to move Key? on 11:26 - Nov 28 with 1620 views | onehunglow |
| Time to move Key? on 11:20 - Nov 28 by felixstowe_jack |
Opinions are always welcome. If you get 10 football fans they will all give you different opinions on players.
Most think the can pick better teams than the manager and could get our team playing to their strengths. |
Well,exactly so.
Having said that, Liams report is eerily similar to my thoughts
A won always makes one feel good but reality is always around the corner and ours is we make it easy for opposition . I read Derby are no mugs. I thought they were pretty dire relying on set pieces .
We have enough,even with our squad depth ,to put teams like this to sleep.
Vip,derided by most ,has been very hardly treated and not been given much or many chances . This boy can finish . You’d think our coach would see to it he gets them
Nobody has explained the tippy tippy stuff on our own goal line . | |
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| Time to move Key? on 11:35 - Nov 28 with 1601 views | KeithHaynes |
Key was enormous when he came on last night, aerial duals, positioning and ability to break up play puts him way above Franco in the transfer market. An absolute diamond. |  |
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| Time to move Key? on 11:37 - Nov 28 with 1592 views | Dr_Winston |
| Time to move Key? on 10:24 - Nov 28 by Whiterockin |
He is fine where he is, playing RB and adding numbers in midfield. If anything he would go to 10 but Cullen is playing very well there. |
Mate of mine at the last game suggested trying him as a central ball carrier in a Ntcham style. I could see the merits of that. |  |
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| Time to move Key? on 12:06 - Nov 28 with 1531 views | jack247 |
| Time to move Key? on 11:26 - Nov 28 by onehunglow |
Well,exactly so.
Having said that, Liams report is eerily similar to my thoughts
A won always makes one feel good but reality is always around the corner and ours is we make it easy for opposition . I read Derby are no mugs. I thought they were pretty dire relying on set pieces .
We have enough,even with our squad depth ,to put teams like this to sleep.
Vip,derided by most ,has been very hardly treated and not been given much or many chances . This boy can finish . You’d think our coach would see to it he gets them
Nobody has explained the tippy tippy stuff on our own goal line . |
On the Vipotnik point, that finish was absolutely class. To instinctively get a shot like that away on his weaker foot was outstanding.
But then, from the second minute on, he did what he does every game. Closed Derby down hard when they were trying to play out from the back, made himself available as an outlet in our own half, gave players time to catch up and laid it off when we were pinned into our own box.
Did very little in an attacking sense until he was subbed.
Before anyone trots out the ‘we have to create for him’ line, he has to play a part in that himself. He did for his goal. He needs to do that, as well as find space in dangerous areas.
Harsh I know as he’s young and inexperienced and learning a new language, but if he’s going to be our main striker, he’s either got to score more often than every four or five games, or he’s got to contribute more to our attacks. | | | |
| Time to move Key? on 12:17 - Nov 28 with 1511 views | union_jack |
I think key woukd make a good attacking midfielder, my only doubt is could he get a head of steam from being so advanced?
Maybe we will look for an established defensive RB in the window allowing him to move into a more advanced starting position. If we keep relying on Naughton we may have problems.
All that said, I think if we finish in the top half this year with a few additions in January then next season we carry on as we are and mount a challenge for the POs. |  |
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| Time to move Key? on 12:27 - Nov 28 with 1477 views | jack247 |
| Time to move Key? on 12:17 - Nov 28 by union_jack |
I think key woukd make a good attacking midfielder, my only doubt is could he get a head of steam from being so advanced?
Maybe we will look for an established defensive RB in the window allowing him to move into a more advanced starting position. If we keep relying on Naughton we may have problems.
All that said, I think if we finish in the top half this year with a few additions in January then next season we carry on as we are and mount a challenge for the POs. |
This is where the Connor Roberts thing comes in.
It makes a lot of sense (if affordable) were we either to sell Key or move him further upfield.
I’m not comfortable with Christie there, don’t mind Naughton but he can’t play all game, every game. Haven’t really seen enough of Parker, but from the little I have, he seems more attack minded. | | | |
| Time to move Key? on 12:33 - Nov 28 with 1462 views | Whiterockin |
| Time to move Key? on 12:06 - Nov 28 by jack247 |
On the Vipotnik point, that finish was absolutely class. To instinctively get a shot like that away on his weaker foot was outstanding.
But then, from the second minute on, he did what he does every game. Closed Derby down hard when they were trying to play out from the back, made himself available as an outlet in our own half, gave players time to catch up and laid it off when we were pinned into our own box.
Did very little in an attacking sense until he was subbed.
Before anyone trots out the ‘we have to create for him’ line, he has to play a part in that himself. He did for his goal. He needs to do that, as well as find space in dangerous areas.
Harsh I know as he’s young and inexperienced and learning a new language, but if he’s going to be our main striker, he’s either got to score more often than every four or five games, or he’s got to contribute more to our attacks. |
I know this thread is supposed to be about Key, but as Vipotnik has be brought up I think he needs to learn when to press and when to hold off. It's all well and good applying pressure on defenders but one player pressing on three defenders is pointless as they pass around you. Derby played it well yesterday when they pressed there were always at least two in tandem, when one forward was isolated they didn't press up front only in midfield. | | | |
| Time to move Key? on 13:05 - Nov 28 with 1406 views | jack247 |
| Time to move Key? on 12:33 - Nov 28 by Whiterockin |
I know this thread is supposed to be about Key, but as Vipotnik has be brought up I think he needs to learn when to press and when to hold off. It's all well and good applying pressure on defenders but one player pressing on three defenders is pointless as they pass around you. Derby played it well yesterday when they pressed there were always at least two in tandem, when one forward was isolated they didn't press up front only in midfield. |
Absolutely. That looks impressive to some people because he’s sprinting, but it’s just a waste of energy.
If you’re doing it like Piroe did, with two quick wingers marking your passing options, that’s another story but doing it on your own is pretty pointless.
Not a criticism of the player there, he’s obviously been told to do it. | | | |
| Time to move Key? on 14:02 - Nov 28 with 1347 views | RichardO |
Mentioned Key moving into the midfield quite sometime ago but was derided about putting square pegs in round holes. At that time we needed a rightback playing right back when Key eventually got moved from the left when we acquired 3 left footed players he moved to rightback, Key then got injured. Then Darling got tried again at right back until Naughton was picked and showed he still had something to give at rightback even if it wasn't 90mins until the last day if the season were most thought he was done with the Swans. It has resulted in a settled back four which for the most part has continued to this season, Key, Cabango,Darling and Tymon.
Key and Franco seem to be protected understandably given Key's injury record in the short time here, not sure about Franco injury record before joining but he does seem to take beating in the middle.
So if Key moves into the middle who goes to rightback Naughton or maybe Christie now although haven't read the thread on Darling yet so may not be available. As has be mentioned when Key came on he added a bit of steel down rhe flanks to reduce Derby's effectiveness, even Tymon with Christie behind him seem to up the defensive side of his game not letting the winger dictate the game to him as the game progress our flanks seemed better protected because of Tymon's defensive play not because of the addition of Christie.
If Darling is out cannot see Key being moved until Christie gets a run of games. Naughton can do a job but obviously his legs cannot match some wingers even if his brain can.
Key gives that drive and quality on the ball when pushed into the middle but as seen cover was lacking against Leeds for his runs forward.
January transfer window seems we have a number requests for players in different areas of the pitch to allow the games of lost points into one's where points that should have been gained are. | | | |
| Time to move Key? on 17:15 - Nov 28 with 1212 views | ploppy |
I have mixed feelings about Key. I don't think he's a bad defender. He looks OK when he's carrying the ball forward. But, when he goes on his meandering runs into midfield, how often does he lose the ball? When he does lose the ball he's pretty much out of the game and it exposes us to the transition - which is arguably our weakest point. I also think he gets muscled off the ball too easily. He's played the inverted fullback recently - most notably in the first half against Coventry - and he's OK - just OK. To play in midfield - especially the centre of midfield - you need to be quick of mind and feet. And he's not. For me, he's got lots to work on but he's got time. | | | |
| Time to move Key? on 17:48 - Nov 28 with 1158 views | onehunglow |
| Time to move Key? on 12:06 - Nov 28 by jack247 |
On the Vipotnik point, that finish was absolutely class. To instinctively get a shot like that away on his weaker foot was outstanding.
But then, from the second minute on, he did what he does every game. Closed Derby down hard when they were trying to play out from the back, made himself available as an outlet in our own half, gave players time to catch up and laid it off when we were pinned into our own box.
Did very little in an attacking sense until he was subbed.
Before anyone trots out the ‘we have to create for him’ line, he has to play a part in that himself. He did for his goal. He needs to do that, as well as find space in dangerous areas.
Harsh I know as he’s young and inexperienced and learning a new language, but if he’s going to be our main striker, he’s either got to score more often than every four or five games, or he’s got to contribute more to our attacks. |
Well,it’s hard to create something 80 yards away .
When we are dallying about with the ball ,what exactly is he supposed to do.
Last night,after we scored,we went backwards literally
That in itself should answer your questions | |
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| Time to move Key? on 18:03 - Nov 28 with 1130 views | jack247 |
| Time to move Key? on 17:48 - Nov 28 by onehunglow |
Well,it’s hard to create something 80 yards away .
When we are dallying about with the ball ,what exactly is he supposed to do.
Last night,after we scored,we went backwards literally
That in itself should answer your questions |
I don’t have any questions. I was making statements.
He did what he does every game, regardless of whether we are on top or getting battered. The difference yesterday was a flash of absolute magic for the goal
I’ve said before, his shooting is sharp. He can get a shot away with little time or back lift and get good power and accuracy on it. He doesn’t get on the ball enough to do it often, but I’ve noticed it a couple of times with shots that have been blocked or gone just wide.
I didn’t realise he could do that with both feet.
Needs to get much more involved in our attacks. That’s his responsibility, not Grimes’ or Ronalds or whoever. | | | |
| Time to move Key? on 18:04 - Nov 28 with 1128 views | RichardO |
| Time to move Key? on 17:15 - Nov 28 by ploppy |
I have mixed feelings about Key. I don't think he's a bad defender. He looks OK when he's carrying the ball forward. But, when he goes on his meandering runs into midfield, how often does he lose the ball? When he does lose the ball he's pretty much out of the game and it exposes us to the transition - which is arguably our weakest point. I also think he gets muscled off the ball too easily. He's played the inverted fullback recently - most notably in the first half against Coventry - and he's OK - just OK. To play in midfield - especially the centre of midfield - you need to be quick of mind and feet. And he's not. For me, he's got lots to work on but he's got time. |
His pace is an asset and the further up the park he uses it the better, he has got good feet but you have to remember is he use to being in the middle of midfield with his back to the opposition defenders, he seems to be a good striker of the ball and a calmness about him to take the right options as he bears down on goal. He has had to gain experience at Championship level even at right back, nice to see that both him and Tymon seem to improving defensively, Tymon had a torrid time organist the wing but in the end it was nice to see him ensure the winger didn't get as much time on the ball in the closing stages.
When I saw the thread header I thought the question was do we move him on and sell him, to me he needs to be one of the mainstays of the team for as long as we can hold onto him | | | |
| Time to move Key? on 18:43 - Nov 28 with 1082 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
If you are playing full back and asked to push forward you need support from those around you. Key seems decent enough to me I'm not sure we have the team organisation around him right? When we attack I'm not sure how we balance the team, there are often large gaps when we lose the ball? |  |
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| Time to move Key? on 19:13 - Nov 28 with 1048 views | swancity |
Key needs to concentrate on his defensive positioning and spacial awareness. There are too msny occasions where he is out of position. The Leeds game being a good example. In contrast he’s got an outstanding ability to get forward and quickly. With some work on his positional sense he could make Angel Rangel Mk2 as he’s talented enough albeit it’s a bit raw as it was initially with Angel when he switched from his right midfield role. | |
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| Time to move Key? on 19:52 - Nov 28 with 989 views | onehunglow |
| Time to move Key? on 19:13 - Nov 28 by swancity |
Key needs to concentrate on his defensive positioning and spacial awareness. There are too msny occasions where he is out of position. The Leeds game being a good example. In contrast he’s got an outstanding ability to get forward and quickly. With some work on his positional sense he could make Angel Rangel Mk2 as he’s talented enough albeit it’s a bit raw as it was initially with Angel when he switched from his right midfield role. |
Which is why I believe we would be better served with him playing more advanced
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| Time to move Key? on 20:00 - Nov 28 with 957 views | max936 |
| Time to move Key? on 12:06 - Nov 28 by jack247 |
On the Vipotnik point, that finish was absolutely class. To instinctively get a shot like that away on his weaker foot was outstanding.
But then, from the second minute on, he did what he does every game. Closed Derby down hard when they were trying to play out from the back, made himself available as an outlet in our own half, gave players time to catch up and laid it off when we were pinned into our own box.
Did very little in an attacking sense until he was subbed.
Before anyone trots out the ‘we have to create for him’ line, he has to play a part in that himself. He did for his goal. He needs to do that, as well as find space in dangerous areas.
Harsh I know as he’s young and inexperienced and learning a new language, but if he’s going to be our main striker, he’s either got to score more often than every four or five games, or he’s got to contribute more to our attacks. |
Cullens ball for Ronnie to score was sublime, seems to have come of age does Cullen hope his rich vein of form continues. |  |
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| Time to move Key? on 20:02 - Nov 28 with 931 views | Whiterockin |
| Time to move Key? on 20:00 - Nov 28 by max936 |
Cullens ball for Ronnie to score was sublime, seems to have come of age does Cullen hope his rich vein of form continues. |
Cullen has taken to the AM role exceptionally well. | | | |
| Time to move Key? on 20:03 - Nov 28 with 927 views | KeithHaynes |
| Time to move Key? on 20:02 - Nov 28 by Whiterockin |
Cullen has taken to the AM role exceptionally well. |
Would anyone approve of a sale of around two million in January ? | |
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| Time to move Key? on 20:05 - Nov 28 with 910 views | Whiterockin |
| Time to move Key? on 20:03 - Nov 28 by KeithHaynes |
Would anyone approve of a sale of around two million in January ? |
No, even on the reported £5K a week he offers exceptional value. | | | |
| Time to move Key? on 20:06 - Nov 28 with 904 views | onehunglow |
| Time to move Key? on 20:03 - Nov 28 by KeithHaynes |
Would anyone approve of a sale of around two million in January ? |
Yes.
Depends on who replaces though | |
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| Time to move Key? on 20:22 - Nov 28 with 878 views | Dr_Winston |
| Time to move Key? on 20:05 - Nov 28 by Whiterockin |
No, even on the reported £5K a week he offers exceptional value. |
Edit: read it wrong.
£2m for Cullen would be a good deal based on what we've seen of him in his career so far. Maybe he could develop a bit more where he's been playing in recent weeks, but it's unlikely that he'll ever be as good as a specialist in the role. [Post edited 29 Nov 7:19]
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