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Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 19:47 - Mar 10 by sxdale
Indeed because Lineker's comments about Quatar on his piece to camera at the start of the world Cup were sanctioned by the BBC, additionally when Lineker last tweeted controversially the BBC said he was a freelancer and he was not subject to the same impartiality as those directly employed by them
Linaker took £1.6M from Qatar - the Qatar that has the death penalty for homosexuality and modern slavery (was it the Guardian that said 6,500 immigrant workers had died building these stadiums?)
Linaker is a freelancer so he can avoid paying income tax on his fee.
All in all, Linaker can say what he likes but I don't have to listen to him, he is not living by his own ethical preaching.
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Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 10:25 - Mar 15 with 2371 views
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 15:07 - Mar 13 by D_Alien
I wasn't comparing "the Daily Express with an actual holocaust survivor"
The source of the article is a Rabbi, i.e a leader of a Jewish community, as i suggested in my post about Jewish communities feeling insulted by Lineker's use of language
My point about keeping this thread at the level of opinions applies to the above. I wasn't wrong
Rabbi's are not always representative of the Jewish community, just like other religious leaders are not of theirs. Many are completely out of touch. And the Jewish community is not all one , just like all religious communities they have different views. As an example there are many Jews who don't support the Zionist movement, the very movement that is powerful in Israel and made deals with the Nazis in the 1930s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement There are left wing Jews, there are right wing Jews, centrist Jews, there are even left wing Rabbis. If I really could be bothered, I bet I can find a Rabbi or more, who supports what Lineker said, I certainly know Jews who do. A right wing paper like the express could always find a right wing Rabbi.
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 19:40 - Mar 14 by watford_dale
I think it is important to have an independent broadcaster, who can hold the govt to account and can broadcast without fear. The current system of having #10 appoint the director general is beyond me. Much as having a politician who can decide on a prisoners parole, even though they have zero qualifications or experience to make such an assessment.
BBC salaries, agree - you want to get paid, same as any other public sector organisation - don't tell me it costs for the talent, let the talent work their magic in the private sector and there they will get paid.
I would halve all BBC salaries in an instant, they make all their private money from having a BBC profile.
Maybe amalgamation of the channels so they may have a stab at a decent programme schedule and stop chasing generation alpha (born 2010 - 2020) because they don't obey tv schedules. Mainly because they, like, can't concentrate on anything, like more than like 5 minutes.
I agree with you on salaries paid out of “public funds”. I think that in any organisation that is mainly funded from the public purse no one should be paid more than the prime minister (currently £165,000 per annum).
On a couple of points.
1. Political Appointments at the BBC.
For accuracy number 10 did not appoint the director general (CEO) of the BBC, Tim Davie, the BBC board did.
I think you are referring to the chairman, Richard Sharp.
The chairman of the BBC is appointed by the monarch on advice (instruction) from the prime minister.
In the last case this was Richard Sharp, he was appointed as chairman of the BBC by the queen on the advice (instruction) of Boris Johnson so your point about political cronyism and pressure is still valid.
Richard Sharp is remunerated in this role with FEES of £160,000 per annum plus expenses. It would be interesting to know how his fees are taxed.
I do not think that it is the role of an independent state broadcaster to “hold a government to account”.
In our democracy holding the government to account is the role is of our ELECTED parliament and in particular the opposition parties. It can be quite worrying though when on some issues the whole of parliament is in complete agreement, and we seem to have only one narrow view expressed.
I think the role of an independent state news broadcaster is to simply report as far as possible the accurate and complete facts of the news (balanced) without fear, favouritism and without a “narrative” that attempts to influence public opinion.
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Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 12:32 - Mar 15 with 2235 views
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 10:25 - Mar 15 by foreverhopefulDale
Rabbi's are not always representative of the Jewish community, just like other religious leaders are not of theirs. Many are completely out of touch. And the Jewish community is not all one , just like all religious communities they have different views. As an example there are many Jews who don't support the Zionist movement, the very movement that is powerful in Israel and made deals with the Nazis in the 1930s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement There are left wing Jews, there are right wing Jews, centrist Jews, there are even left wing Rabbis. If I really could be bothered, I bet I can find a Rabbi or more, who supports what Lineker said, I certainly know Jews who do. A right wing paper like the express could always find a right wing Rabbi.
Of course not all Rabbi's are representative of their communities
You needn't have bothered with any of your post, since it'd already been demonstrated that some Jews/Jewish communities were offended and some weren't
It's sufficient that Lineker took that risk in order to virtue-signal. He's at it again with a twitter post today about free speech, outside the BBC headquarters
I really could say a lot more about the huge amount of harm already being caused to communities by gangs who've crossed the channel and are forming criminal networks with rivalries being imported from either their country of origin or with gangs from other countries - some established in the UK for many years. Some of that's happening right under your noses if you care to venture into Rochdale town centre. The police have had to break up more than one gathering recently in Broadfield Park, for instance, where a lot of weapons were confiscated
Does any of this affect, or even bother Lineker? Or those of you virtue-signalling on here?
That's the reality of illegal immigration. It needs to be stopped, and the government are at last trying to do something about it. I've posted before that a more streamlined system for genuine asylum seeking should be established; that's the right way forward
All the posts, and all the up & downvoting on here pales into absolute insignificance. Those fleeing persecution need to be welcomed, the rest need stopping from gaining entry forthwith
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 12:32 - Mar 15 by D_Alien
Of course not all Rabbi's are representative of their communities
You needn't have bothered with any of your post, since it'd already been demonstrated that some Jews/Jewish communities were offended and some weren't
It's sufficient that Lineker took that risk in order to virtue-signal. He's at it again with a twitter post today about free speech, outside the BBC headquarters
I really could say a lot more about the huge amount of harm already being caused to communities by gangs who've crossed the channel and are forming criminal networks with rivalries being imported from either their country of origin or with gangs from other countries - some established in the UK for many years. Some of that's happening right under your noses if you care to venture into Rochdale town centre. The police have had to break up more than one gathering recently in Broadfield Park, for instance, where a lot of weapons were confiscated
Does any of this affect, or even bother Lineker? Or those of you virtue-signalling on here?
That's the reality of illegal immigration. It needs to be stopped, and the government are at last trying to do something about it. I've posted before that a more streamlined system for genuine asylum seeking should be established; that's the right way forward
All the posts, and all the up & downvoting on here pales into absolute insignificance. Those fleeing persecution need to be welcomed, the rest need stopping from gaining entry forthwith
Please could you point us to the tweet he made today about free speech from outside the BBC headquarters?
I follow Gary on Twitter and his only tweet I can see today is:
The long awaited addressing of the elephant in the room, and it’s every bit as fascinating and illuminating as you would expect. https://t.co/wZV3BlJtNF
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 13:13 - Mar 15 by EllGazzell
Please could you point us to the tweet he made today about free speech from outside the BBC headquarters?
I follow Gary on Twitter and his only tweet I can see today is:
The long awaited addressing of the elephant in the room, and it’s every bit as fascinating and illuminating as you would expect. https://t.co/wZV3BlJtNF
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 12:32 - Mar 15 by D_Alien
Of course not all Rabbi's are representative of their communities
You needn't have bothered with any of your post, since it'd already been demonstrated that some Jews/Jewish communities were offended and some weren't
It's sufficient that Lineker took that risk in order to virtue-signal. He's at it again with a twitter post today about free speech, outside the BBC headquarters
I really could say a lot more about the huge amount of harm already being caused to communities by gangs who've crossed the channel and are forming criminal networks with rivalries being imported from either their country of origin or with gangs from other countries - some established in the UK for many years. Some of that's happening right under your noses if you care to venture into Rochdale town centre. The police have had to break up more than one gathering recently in Broadfield Park, for instance, where a lot of weapons were confiscated
Does any of this affect, or even bother Lineker? Or those of you virtue-signalling on here?
That's the reality of illegal immigration. It needs to be stopped, and the government are at last trying to do something about it. I've posted before that a more streamlined system for genuine asylum seeking should be established; that's the right way forward
All the posts, and all the up & downvoting on here pales into absolute insignificance. Those fleeing persecution need to be welcomed, the rest need stopping from gaining entry forthwith
The UK needs economic migrants. It's not in the interests of the Government, the right wing press, or to a degree the mainstream media, to talk about net migration. They would rather focus on those coming here (in 'swarms' etc). But as Watford Dale pointed out, half a million people left the UK last year, many more than the number that arrived.
I don't see an issue with welcoming those that want to come and work as well as those fleeing persecution. I accept that the net migration ratio won't be the same for every area or town and we need to look at how immigration impacts on specific places. But that's why we need more homes built, funding of public services and investment across the country, not just in the South East. None of that is part of the Government's agenda though, apart from in meaningless soundbites like 'levelling up'.
No one wants illegal migration, criminal gangs or traffickers. But the new Bill, at least according to Theresa May in the article below, and Yvette Cooper in the Commons this week, won't solve that problem and could make the lives of those exploited by criminals tougher. The whole thing feels like an ill thought out populist dog whistle policy, in keeping with the character of this current government.
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 12:32 - Mar 15 by D_Alien
Of course not all Rabbi's are representative of their communities
You needn't have bothered with any of your post, since it'd already been demonstrated that some Jews/Jewish communities were offended and some weren't
It's sufficient that Lineker took that risk in order to virtue-signal. He's at it again with a twitter post today about free speech, outside the BBC headquarters
I really could say a lot more about the huge amount of harm already being caused to communities by gangs who've crossed the channel and are forming criminal networks with rivalries being imported from either their country of origin or with gangs from other countries - some established in the UK for many years. Some of that's happening right under your noses if you care to venture into Rochdale town centre. The police have had to break up more than one gathering recently in Broadfield Park, for instance, where a lot of weapons were confiscated
Does any of this affect, or even bother Lineker? Or those of you virtue-signalling on here?
That's the reality of illegal immigration. It needs to be stopped, and the government are at last trying to do something about it. I've posted before that a more streamlined system for genuine asylum seeking should be established; that's the right way forward
All the posts, and all the up & downvoting on here pales into absolute insignificance. Those fleeing persecution need to be welcomed, the rest need stopping from gaining entry forthwith
Please point out my "virtue signalling" in this post. Just to make it clear, even though I agree with what he said in his original Twitter post, my viewpoint was about him and everyone else have the freedom to express their views if legal. Everything he said was factually correct regarding the language spoken. The Daily Mail as an example were using the same language about Jews escaping Hitler as they use about today's asylum seekers.
I know full well what you highlight in what's happening in our town, none of it is down to anyone who is opposing the government, but down to criminals who can do their lawbreaking far easier due to massive cuts in the police and boarder agencies since 2010. Yes there is a need to make the seeking of asylum easier in other countries, why not at our Embassies?
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 19:15 - Mar 14 by watford_dale
Happy to respond and leave SX and Dalien to it, that may go for some time yet.
Don't we suffer from net migration every year - 504,000 left the UK last year and therefore require balance so the current demographic of the population can be maintained.
I read your post several times because I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you claiming that last year 504,000 more people left the UK than arrived and so we need more immigration to make up the balance of people we have lost? If so, the reverse is true.
“1.1 million people migrated into the UK and 560,000 people emigrated from it, leaving net migration of 504,000 people. This represents the balance of long-term migrants moving in and out of the country.”
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 14:29 - Mar 15 by A_Newby
I read your post several times because I am not sure what point you are trying to make. Are you claiming that last year 504,000 more people left the UK than arrived and so we need more immigration to make up the balance of people we have lost? If so, the reverse is true.
“1.1 million people migrated into the UK and 560,000 people emigrated from it, leaving net migration of 504,000 people. This represents the balance of long-term migrants moving in and out of the country.”
The net migration into the UK has been about 200,000 per year since 2004.
Last year the large increase of around 300,000 on previous years is due to a large influx of people from the Ukraine, Hong Kong, and Afghanistan.
This large increase has caused some of the pressure on services, housing, schools, doctors etc.
"By the beginning of the 2020s, the UK’s foreign-born population was approximately 14%. This share is similar to high-income countries such as the United States and Spain (placing the UK 19th out of 34 OECD countries). The UK has a smaller foreign-born population than Australia, Canada, and New Zealand. The foreign-born population in Australia, for example, is roughly double that of the UK as a share of the population. By contrast, the UK has a higher share of foreign-born people in the population compared to Italy, Portugal, and most Eastern European countries."
Migration Observatory University of Oxford Dec 2022
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 11:43 - Mar 15 by A_Newby
I agree with you on salaries paid out of “public funds”. I think that in any organisation that is mainly funded from the public purse no one should be paid more than the prime minister (currently £165,000 per annum).
On a couple of points.
1. Political Appointments at the BBC.
For accuracy number 10 did not appoint the director general (CEO) of the BBC, Tim Davie, the BBC board did.
I think you are referring to the chairman, Richard Sharp.
The chairman of the BBC is appointed by the monarch on advice (instruction) from the prime minister.
In the last case this was Richard Sharp, he was appointed as chairman of the BBC by the queen on the advice (instruction) of Boris Johnson so your point about political cronyism and pressure is still valid.
Richard Sharp is remunerated in this role with FEES of £160,000 per annum plus expenses. It would be interesting to know how his fees are taxed.
I do not think that it is the role of an independent state broadcaster to “hold a government to account”.
In our democracy holding the government to account is the role is of our ELECTED parliament and in particular the opposition parties. It can be quite worrying though when on some issues the whole of parliament is in complete agreement, and we seem to have only one narrow view expressed.
I think the role of an independent state news broadcaster is to simply report as far as possible the accurate and complete facts of the news (balanced) without fear, favouritism and without a “narrative” that attempts to influence public opinion.
Agree with some of your factual corrections but not about the role of the state broadcaster. A free press is the greatest protector of our democracy - that's why it's the first amendment of the American constitution:-
“The press was to serve the governed, not the governors.”–U.S. Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black in New York Times Co. v. United States (1971)
and more worryingly it's why the Nazis in the early 1930s took over the German press introducing laws requiring editors to omit anything “calculated to weaken the strength of the Reich abroad or at home.”.. not unlike Braverman's 'blob' attack .
It seems the culture war and gaslighting is not the only worrying trend; not at all good being compared to Hungary and Poland in the global index of civic freedoms.
“The downgrade reflects the worrying trends we are seeing in restrictions across civil society that are threatening UK democracy."
“The UK is becoming increasingly authoritarian and is among concerning company in the Civicus Monitor ratings as restrictive laws and dangerous rhetoric are creating a hostile environment towards civil society in the UK.”
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 17:43 - Mar 16 by EllGazzell
It seems the culture war and gaslighting is not the only worrying trend; not at all good being compared to Hungary and Poland in the global index of civic freedoms.
“The downgrade reflects the worrying trends we are seeing in restrictions across civil society that are threatening UK democracy."
“The UK is becoming increasingly authoritarian and is among concerning company in the Civicus Monitor ratings as restrictive laws and dangerous rhetoric are creating a hostile environment towards civil society in the UK.”
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 18:04 - Mar 16 by sxdale
Ooh you nasty horrible guardian reading wokerati you
A post appeared on this thread at 13.31, 11 March...
"It's the same all over the world currently, the middle ground has disappeared and extremes have come to dominate. You're either in our camp or the enemy.
It's getting worse and I think it's down to social media, and living in echo chambers."
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 18:20 - Mar 16 by D_Alien
A post appeared on this thread at 13.31, 11 March...
"It's the same all over the world currently, the middle ground has disappeared and extremes have come to dominate. You're either in our camp or the enemy.
It's getting worse and I think it's down to social media, and living in echo chambers."
Exemplary comments, i'd say
Roundd 2 sir?
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Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 18:42 - Mar 16 with 1645 views
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 18:20 - Mar 16 by D_Alien
A post appeared on this thread at 13.31, 11 March...
"It's the same all over the world currently, the middle ground has disappeared and extremes have come to dominate. You're either in our camp or the enemy.
It's getting worse and I think it's down to social media, and living in echo chambers."
Exemplary comments, i'd say
reminds me of this.
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Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 08:50 - Mar 19 with 1197 views
Anyone want to present MotD tomorrow? on 14:12 - Mar 15 by rich_dale
The UK needs economic migrants. It's not in the interests of the Government, the right wing press, or to a degree the mainstream media, to talk about net migration. They would rather focus on those coming here (in 'swarms' etc). But as Watford Dale pointed out, half a million people left the UK last year, many more than the number that arrived.
I don't see an issue with welcoming those that want to come and work as well as those fleeing persecution. I accept that the net migration ratio won't be the same for every area or town and we need to look at how immigration impacts on specific places. But that's why we need more homes built, funding of public services and investment across the country, not just in the South East. None of that is part of the Government's agenda though, apart from in meaningless soundbites like 'levelling up'.
No one wants illegal migration, criminal gangs or traffickers. But the new Bill, at least according to Theresa May in the article below, and Yvette Cooper in the Commons this week, won't solve that problem and could make the lives of those exploited by criminals tougher. The whole thing feels like an ill thought out populist dog whistle policy, in keeping with the character of this current government.
It is not easy, but with the right will, a "swarm" can be shown compassion, sheltered and actually contribute to the economy when supported and helped.
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