| Divide and Conquer 05:53 - Jun 5 with 10210 views | RonaldStump |
Is Covid 19 a side track to the real agenda at play here?
The great reset?
Anybody with a brain knows there is something not right with everything going on this crazy world at the moment.
Simple question and hoping for some constructive answers instead of the usual conspiracy theory comebacks?
Gracias [Post edited 5 Jun 2021 5:58]
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| Divide and Conquer on 20:42 - Jun 8 with 1536 views | Scotia |
| Divide and Conquer on 20:26 - Jun 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
How many times do I have to tell you CO2 is plant food, it causes Greening of deserts. I showed you the NASA article on it.
CO2 has been 6000ppm 15 times higher than now in the past and did not change any natural balances and was purely natural.
It did not cause excessive warming, in fact it did not even stop the onset of Ice Ages.
Tell me how that works. |
Because Co2 is not the only factor that controls Climate. It can't be considered at the expense of other factors. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 21:04 - Jun 8 with 1525 views | Catullus |
| Divide and Conquer on 20:26 - Jun 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
How many times do I have to tell you CO2 is plant food, it causes Greening of deserts. I showed you the NASA article on it.
CO2 has been 6000ppm 15 times higher than now in the past and did not change any natural balances and was purely natural.
It did not cause excessive warming, in fact it did not even stop the onset of Ice Ages.
Tell me how that works. |
Ok but it all goes hand in hand with over factors, when the balance is not right we have problems. It's why I've said several times about pollution in the seas. The oceans absorb a lot of C)2, A LOT, about 70% so if we increase the amount of C)2 AND we damage the oceans it creates a damaging about of C)2 in the atmosphere.
https://www.maritime-executive.com/features/ocean-storage-of-co2
I keep using the word balance, that is the importnat part. 6000ppm is damging,
https://www.canna-uk.com/co2_building_blocks_for_plants
Currently CO2 is less than 500ppm but that is the highest it has been for 800,000 years. | |
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| Divide and Conquer on 21:27 - Jun 8 with 1510 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Divide and Conquer on 20:42 - Jun 8 by Scotia |
Because Co2 is not the only factor that controls Climate. It can't be considered at the expense of other factors. |
I didn't say CO2 controls climate at all, did I?
Because I don't believe it has any kind of control.
Water however does.
CO2 is absolutely essential for plant life which everything else depends on and the more the better up to the highest levels of 4-6000ppm.
Above that starts getting into dangerous territory for humans. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 21:30 - Jun 8 with 1517 views | Scotia |
| Divide and Conquer on 21:27 - Jun 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
I didn't say CO2 controls climate at all, did I?
Because I don't believe it has any kind of control.
Water however does.
CO2 is absolutely essential for plant life which everything else depends on and the more the better up to the highest levels of 4-6000ppm.
Above that starts getting into dangerous territory for humans. |
I know you don't believe it. Accountants have told you so. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 22:56 - Jun 8 with 1488 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Divide and Conquer on 21:30 - Jun 8 by Scotia |
I know you don't believe it. Accountants have told you so. |
No, real scientists have told me so.
Richard Linzen - Physicist Specialising in Atmospherics & Ex IPCC Lead Author
William Happer - Physicist
Freeman Dyson - Physicist
Willie Soon - Aerospace Engineer
49 Former NASA scientists and astronauts
Dr. Oliver W. Frauenfield - Climatologist (Author to the UN IPCC Working Group 1 Fourth Assessment Report)
Prof Myron Wyn Evan B. Sc., Ph. D., D. S - Physicist (Sigma Pi Sigma of the American Institute of Physics 1995)
Joseph E. Postma - M.Sc. Astrophysics, Honours B.Sc. Astronomy
Dennis Hollars - PH D Astrophysicist
Dr Charles Wax - past president of the American Association of State Climatologists. Currently professor of Geography and Climatology at Mississippi State University
U. S. Senate Minority Report: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008
Professor Michael Beenstock - Professor of Economics
Richard S. J. Tol - Professor of economics (does not deny warming but does deny "catastrophic".
Dr. Edward Wegman - Prof of Statistics
500 Authors of Peer Reviewed Sceptical papers in 2018 and another 35 already by march 2019.
For another list see Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientifi
Judith Curry is an Atmospheric Scientist and also an ex IPCC contributor
Not all of these people are totally sceptical of AGW, some are lukewarmers believing that Man and cO2 make some sort of contribution to Climate Change but do not agree on the extent.
There is also a very informative write up of Climate Science failings here
https://misesuk.org/2017/11/27/an-epistemological-criticism-the-lack-of-proof-fo [Post edited 9 Jun 2021 14:15]
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| Divide and Conquer on 08:00 - Jun 9 with 1474 views | Scotia |
| Divide and Conquer on 22:56 - Jun 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
No, real scientists have told me so.
Richard Linzen - Physicist Specialising in Atmospherics & Ex IPCC Lead Author
William Happer - Physicist
Freeman Dyson - Physicist
Willie Soon - Aerospace Engineer
49 Former NASA scientists and astronauts
Dr. Oliver W. Frauenfield - Climatologist (Author to the UN IPCC Working Group 1 Fourth Assessment Report)
Prof Myron Wyn Evan B. Sc., Ph. D., D. S - Physicist (Sigma Pi Sigma of the American Institute of Physics 1995)
Joseph E. Postma - M.Sc. Astrophysics, Honours B.Sc. Astronomy
Dennis Hollars - PH D Astrophysicist
Dr Charles Wax - past president of the American Association of State Climatologists. Currently professor of Geography and Climatology at Mississippi State University
U. S. Senate Minority Report: More Than 650 International Scientists Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008
Professor Michael Beenstock - Professor of Economics
Richard S. J. Tol - Professor of economics (does not deny warming but does deny "catastrophic".
Dr. Edward Wegman - Prof of Statistics
500 Authors of Peer Reviewed Sceptical papers in 2018 and another 35 already by march 2019.
For another list see Wiki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientifi
Judith Curry is an Atmospheric Scientist and also an ex IPCC contributor
Not all of these people are totally sceptical of AGW, some are lukewarmers believing that Man and cO2 make some sort of contribution to Climate Change but do not agree on the extent.
There is also a very informative write up of Climate Science failings here
https://misesuk.org/2017/11/27/an-epistemological-criticism-the-lack-of-proof-fo [Post edited 9 Jun 2021 14:15]
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The late Myron Evans. That's a name I've not heard in a long, long time. Craig Cefn Parc's greatest son. So esteemed he has a blue heritage plaque on his Rhyddwen Road house emphasising his greatness, it's unfortunate he felt the need to put it there himself.
He developed the famous Einstein-Cartan-Evans theory. Yes he put his name alongside two of the greatest physicists to support his theory. Unfortunately he got the maths wrong and it was debunked.
He was a bit of a Walter Mitty character. An intelligent man but quite deluded. I've had a lot of correspondence with him over the years. It never made much sense.
Dr Edward Wegman is clearly a prolific researcher. He's even given evidence to the House Of Representatives. He said this.
"I was not asked to assess the reality of global warming and indeed this is not an area of my expertise"
This isn't a climate change thread. I'm not turning it to one. Stop posting this rubbish. | | | |
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| Divide and Conquer on 10:56 - Jun 9 with 1460 views | Catullus |
| Divide and Conquer on 21:27 - Jun 8 by A_Fans_Dad |
I didn't say CO2 controls climate at all, did I?
Because I don't believe it has any kind of control.
Water however does.
CO2 is absolutely essential for plant life which everything else depends on and the more the better up to the highest levels of 4-6000ppm.
Above that starts getting into dangerous territory for humans. |
Actually 5000ppm of CO2 is dngerous to humans with prolonged exposure, a few hours can be enough. If the air we beathe was at a constant 6000ppm it is harmful,
https://www.dhs.wisconsin.gov/chemical/carbondioxide.htm | |
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| Divide and Conquer on 11:39 - Jun 9 with 1450 views | howenjack |
| Divide and Conquer on 08:00 - Jun 9 by Scotia |
The late Myron Evans. That's a name I've not heard in a long, long time. Craig Cefn Parc's greatest son. So esteemed he has a blue heritage plaque on his Rhyddwen Road house emphasising his greatness, it's unfortunate he felt the need to put it there himself.
He developed the famous Einstein-Cartan-Evans theory. Yes he put his name alongside two of the greatest physicists to support his theory. Unfortunately he got the maths wrong and it was debunked.
He was a bit of a Walter Mitty character. An intelligent man but quite deluded. I've had a lot of correspondence with him over the years. It never made much sense.
Dr Edward Wegman is clearly a prolific researcher. He's even given evidence to the House Of Representatives. He said this.
"I was not asked to assess the reality of global warming and indeed this is not an area of my expertise"
This isn't a climate change thread. I'm not turning it to one. Stop posting this rubbish. |
There must be something in the air in Graig Cefn Parc because there was another scientist lived there who developed a laser ray if Iam not mistaken can't remember his name now. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 14:12 - Jun 9 with 1425 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Yes that is why all the sub-mariners are dead or something.
https://www.nap.edu/read/11170/chapter/5
Humans breath out 40,000ppm, so anyone, like kids under the sheets are experiencing extremely high values. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 14:27 - Jun 9 with 1422 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Divide and Conquer on 08:00 - Jun 9 by Scotia |
The late Myron Evans. That's a name I've not heard in a long, long time. Craig Cefn Parc's greatest son. So esteemed he has a blue heritage plaque on his Rhyddwen Road house emphasising his greatness, it's unfortunate he felt the need to put it there himself.
He developed the famous Einstein-Cartan-Evans theory. Yes he put his name alongside two of the greatest physicists to support his theory. Unfortunately he got the maths wrong and it was debunked.
He was a bit of a Walter Mitty character. An intelligent man but quite deluded. I've had a lot of correspondence with him over the years. It never made much sense.
Dr Edward Wegman is clearly a prolific researcher. He's even given evidence to the House Of Representatives. He said this.
"I was not asked to assess the reality of global warming and indeed this is not an area of my expertise"
This isn't a climate change thread. I'm not turning it to one. Stop posting this rubbish. |
Nice quote, but at odds with the Committee on Energy and Commerce Report (Wegman Report) where he takes apart the Michael Mann hockey stick graph amongst other things. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 15:02 - Jun 9 with 1421 views | Scotia |
| Divide and Conquer on 14:27 - Jun 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
Nice quote, but at odds with the Committee on Energy and Commerce Report (Wegman Report) where he takes apart the Michael Mann hockey stick graph amongst other things. |
It is in that very written statement that the Dr Wegman makes the admission that climate change is not his area of expertise. Go and read it.
His entire "taking apart of the hockey stick" is built on his own admission, in writing, to the committee that he isn't an expert on climate change. [Post edited 10 Jun 2021 7:25]
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| Divide and Conquer on 15:23 - Jun 9 with 1416 views | Professor |
That’s the sort of levels used for euthanasia of lab animals Catullus. Slow sleep and death | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 15:29 - Jun 9 with 1411 views | Catullus |
| Divide and Conquer on 15:23 - Jun 9 by Professor |
That’s the sort of levels used for euthanasia of lab animals Catullus. Slow sleep and death |
Ah, I suppose it's fairly humane then! AFD seems to think 40,000ppm is safe for humans though.
Everything I've looked up says otherwise. | |
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| Divide and Conquer on 16:00 - Jun 9 with 1402 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Divide and Conquer on 15:02 - Jun 9 by Scotia |
It is in that very written statement that the Dr Wegman makes the admission that climate change is not his area of expertise. Go and read it.
His entire "taking apart of the hockey stick" is built on his own admission, in writing, to the committee that he isn't an expert on climate change. [Post edited 10 Jun 2021 7:25]
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No he is an expert on statistics, which is what was in question on the Hockey Stick and how was arrived at.
So please point out exactly where he said that in the report. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 16:00 - Jun 9 with 1404 views | Professor |
| Divide and Conquer on 15:29 - Jun 9 by Catullus |
Ah, I suppose it's fairly humane then! AFD seems to think 40,000ppm is safe for humans though.
Everything I've looked up says otherwise. |
No comment.
But submarines and spacecraft have to remove carbon dioxide using 'scrubbers' -as in a crucial part of Apollo 13.
ATB for tomorrow. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 16:02 - Jun 9 with 1402 views | Catullus |
| Divide and Conquer on 16:00 - Jun 9 by Professor |
No comment.
But submarines and spacecraft have to remove carbon dioxide using 'scrubbers' -as in a crucial part of Apollo 13.
ATB for tomorrow. |
Having watched Apollo 13 yes, scrubbers are important.
Thanks Prof, I'm looking forward to getting it over with. | |
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| Divide and Conquer on 16:03 - Jun 9 with 1399 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Divide and Conquer on 15:23 - Jun 9 by Professor |
That’s the sort of levels used for euthanasia of lab animals Catullus. Slow sleep and death |
Lab animals, being very small are not Humans, their blood volume would be saturated in a very short time. [Post edited 9 Jun 2021 16:04]
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| Divide and Conquer on 16:22 - Jun 9 with 1396 views | Professor |
| Divide and Conquer on 16:02 - Jun 9 by Catullus |
Having watched Apollo 13 yes, scrubbers are important.
Thanks Prof, I'm looking forward to getting it over with. |
Of course Cat, there are number of issues with high carbon dioxide that are problematical ecologically. Acidification of the oceans for one. High levels are not all that rosy for plants which can only utilise dependent on light and temeperature, but above 35 ish photosynthesis also starts to slow down. Anyhow increased photosynthesis will also turn over water in plants quickly (via transpiration) meaning greater water uptake and requirement which can lead to drought. It's all a balance and as Scotia says it's not as simplistic as one thing. And if you chop down efficient broadleaf dicotyledonous plants and replace with less efficient monocots, it's not great either. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 16:51 - Jun 9 with 1384 views | Scotia |
| Divide and Conquer on 16:00 - Jun 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
No he is an expert on statistics, which is what was in question on the Hockey Stick and how was arrived at.
So please point out exactly where he said that in the report. |
Statistics are irrelevant if you don't understand the science behind them, as you so often demonstrate. It is why you are wrong so often, you don't understand them you believe what people tell you they say. He was wrong too as more recent data demonstrates.
https://web.archive.org/web/20080228154509/ http://energycommerce.house.gov/reparchives/108/Hearings/07192006hearing1987/Weg
Check out the bottom half of the first page. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 18:29 - Jun 9 with 1373 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Sorry, the wayback machine does not hold your link correctly, so it only goes to the wayback home page and gives an error when entered in the search. | | | |
| Divide and Conquer on 21:12 - Jun 9 with 1353 views | Catullus |
The link you posted is just a link to buying a book, all it says besides is this,
U.S. Navy personnel who work on submarines are in an enclosed and isolated environment for days or weeks at a time when at sea. Unlike a typical work environment, they are potentially exposed to air contaminants 24 hours a day. To protect workers from potential adverse health effects due to those conditions, the U.S. Navy has established exposure guidance levels for a number of contaminants. The Navy asked a subcommittee of the National Research Council (NRC) to review, and develop when necessary, exposure guidance levels for 10 contaminants.
Overall, the subcommittee found the values proposed by the Navy to be suitable for protecting human health. For a few chemicals, the committee proposed levels that were lower than those proposed by the Navy. In conducting its evaluation, the subcommittee found that there is little exposure data available on the submarine environment and echoed a previous recommendation from an earlier NRC report to conduct monitoring that would provide a complete analysis of submarine air and data on exposure of personnel to contaminants.
Not very helpful.
We exhale between 35-50000ppm, what does that prove, that we expel it because keeping it in the body would be bad for us? It then gets dispersed in the atmosphere. The amount we expel is going to be much higher in ppm because we have extracted other parts of the air for our bodies use. | |
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