| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? 18:13 - Nov 12 with 23387 views | Lohengrin |
Let me take you back to last April and in the wake of half a dozen accusations from Democrat party workers of “sexually inappropriate behaviour” and one of rape levelled at Joe Biden Kamala Harris mounts a platform to declare to the assembled press "I believe them and I respect them being able to tell their story and having the courage to do it."
Let’s not discount a politician’s ability to stand there and lie with a completely straight face if there’s an advantage for them in it, give her the benefit of the doubt for now, accept that is her genuine, considered conclusion. If she really does believe Biden to be a deviant then why on Earth is she happy for him to rake a claw over her young daughter?
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 23:03 - Nov 17 with 1005 views | trampie |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 22:57 - Nov 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Correct, for the large majority of that time I wasn't eligible to. For the rest of the time that was not down to a lack of desire to. I am not going to vote for a party I disagree with, I will leave that up to those who have strong feelings either way.
If people only voted once they fully understood what it was they were voting for then there is no chance anarchy, communism or any form of ''progressive'' ideals would happen. |
We are not talking about people voting once, we are talking about people not voting at all (like yourself). |  |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 23:10 - Nov 17 with 985 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 23:03 - Nov 17 by trampie |
We are not talking about people voting once, we are talking about people not voting at all (like yourself). |
I am unsure what point you are making, I am not talking about people voting once either.
If people don't like any party then they shouldn't just vote for anyone, just to cast a vote. That's probably as undemocratic a process I could think of.
My vote is valuable, it only gets cast when a party is deserving of my support. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 23:13]
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 23:16 - Nov 17 with 973 views | trampie |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 23:10 - Nov 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
I am unsure what point you are making, I am not talking about people voting once either.
If people don't like any party then they shouldn't just vote for anyone, just to cast a vote. That's probably as undemocratic a process I could think of.
My vote is valuable, it only gets cast when a party is deserving of my support. [Post edited 17 Nov 2020 23:13]
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Anarchy is the point. | |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 23:20 - Nov 17 with 969 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 23:16 - Nov 17 by trampie |
Anarchy is the point. |
Not sure how it relates really, but OK. | |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 23:36 - Nov 17 with 956 views | chad |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 23:03 - Nov 17 by trampie |
We are not talking about people voting once, we are talking about people not voting at all (like yourself). |
Conjunctive form of once (i.e when, rather than one time) seems apparent from the context |  | | |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:18 - Nov 18 with 920 views | DJack |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 20:33 - Nov 17 by NotLoyal |
Maybe you should change your name to Friday and give an example? |
Remind me again which right wing hate group do you think are patriots? |  |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:22 - Nov 18 with 918 views | Highjack |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:18 - Nov 18 by DJack |
Remind me again which right wing hate group do you think are patriots? |
The oogie booger boys? |  |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:40 - Nov 18 with 914 views | DJack |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:22 - Nov 18 by Highjack |
The oogie booger boys? |
Aw, how cute!
In comes Highjack with a diversionary post... Oh look a squirrel! | |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:43 - Nov 18 with 911 views | Highjack |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:40 - Nov 18 by DJack |
Aw, how cute!
In comes Highjack with a diversionary post... Oh look a squirrel! |
At least a squirrel has nuts... | |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:45 - Nov 18 with 910 views | DJack |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:43 - Nov 18 by Highjack |
At least a squirrel has nuts... |
So tell me, in relation to this thread and our posts, who doesn't? | |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:47 - Nov 18 with 908 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:18 - Nov 18 by DJack |
Remind me again which right wing hate group do you think are patriots? |
What constitutes a ''hate group'' in your opinion? | |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:14 - Nov 18 with 875 views | Catullus |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:45 - Nov 18 by DJack |
So tell me, in relation to this thread and our posts, who doesn't? |
My dog.....but back to your point...... |  |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:29 - Nov 18 with 872 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 21:59 - Nov 17 by Catullus |
So Capitalism. Then you spend a lot of time defending Trump AND attacking the left. I can't be certain but I'd say a lot of people would assume you are right wing.
Perhaps if you spend more time criticisng the right too then I may hold a different view.
Taking your post at face value and putting Trump to one side, we probably have a lot more in commin politically than I'd thought.
I'm not a great fan of capitalism as it is right now but I also understand that socialism has failed badly. You cannot overcome human nature so easily, capitalism feeds the greedy and it's made most of us greedy whereas socialism starves the masses to feed the few; "some animals are more equal than others" comes to mind.
My political viewpoint is an ever evolving beast. |
"Then you spend a lot of time defending Trump AND attacking the left."
If there is evidence that the left are lying, cheating, corrupt and possibly even treasonous are you saying that anybody, regardless of their "leaning" should not call them out on it? | | | |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:32 - Nov 18 with 870 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 01:18 - Nov 18 by DJack |
Remind me again which right wing hate group do you think are patriots? |
Sorry, you need to define what is a right wing hate group and what is being patriotic.
For instance if they join the armed forces and fight for their country is that patriotic? | | | |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:34 - Nov 18 with 869 views | Catullus |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 22:06 - Nov 17 by Dr_Parnassus |
Capitalism is something the vast majority of the world agrees with, you are talking an absolute sliver of the world that think socialism is a good idea. Give me a successful example of it?
You have a dreamy view of socialism instead of a realistic one. Unfortunately that's not how it works.
The left at the moment is utterly insane, they deserve to be called out for it. That doesn't make me right wing because I think attacking old ladies and calling them Nazi is bad. The fact is the majority of the attacks, destruction and criminality has been from the left - overwhelmingly so.
I am also seeing a media wave of dishonesty fueling it, which also deserves to be called out on it.
My defense of Trump is from my common sense stand point. I don't fall for the media guff talking about him walking down a ramp or personally killing 250,000 people. Its nonsense and embarrassing.
What would you like me to attack the right over? Specifically. From where I am standing they aren't doing an awful lot wrong. Or are they? |
Where in my post did you get the idea I have a dreamy view of socialism, was it when I said it had failed badly or when I said it starved the masses to feed the few...some animals are more equal than others?
It's the version of capitalism that is the problem, this version where the poor get demonised for being benefit scroungers, wastrels and ne'er do wells. This version where the rich just keep getting richer at the expense of the vast majority of us and with all the damage the corporates are doing to the planet.
Just because socialism has been a cluster (removed) it doesn't mean that this version of capitalism is the best way.
This media wave of dishonesty, it's a bit peculiar given that (in the UK at least) most of the media seems right wing. It asks the question what is the real agenda?
Social media seems to be the biggest problem, it is rife with lies.
Your defence of Trump, you say it is from "my" common sense standpoint. Plenty of others would disagree that's it's common sense. It is your oinion definitely.
Take Trump today, he has sacked Chris Kebs for openly contradicting him. Krebs basically said you shouldn't believe lies posted online, even if the President posted them. He has also said any claims of ballot machines transferring votes are wrong and that this years US election was the most secure in history. He was also a Trump appointment.
Trump is on the verge of creating a constitutional crisis. Biden is a poor option and Harris is yet another politial chameleon but they won and according to CISA they won fair and square. It doesn't matterhwat good things Trump did, it doesn't matter how bad Biden and Harris turn out to be, if Trump destroys USA democracy because he's a narcissist who refuses to believe he lost, is that defensible? | |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:36 - Nov 18 with 869 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 21:11 - Nov 17 by Thursday |
Genuine apologies if the comments were not taken as intended. I thought they were quite clear, but they don't seem to be have been received that way and that's on me. A Fans Dad comment was quite as ludicrous, and that's what I was trying to point out. I thought it was safe using such a statement in response to such a statement.
Will pick back up later this evening, heading off to a meeting. |
Your problem is that you jumped in to this thread with a post about my post without any clue of the context of my post.
And then continue to call my post ridiculous.
The context was that we had already had lengthy discussions about who the Proud Boys are on another thread, which you obviously were not aware of. | | | |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:47 - Nov 18 with 855 views | trampie |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:36 - Nov 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
Your problem is that you jumped in to this thread with a post about my post without any clue of the context of my post.
And then continue to call my post ridiculous.
The context was that we had already had lengthy discussions about who the Proud Boys are on another thread, which you obviously were not aware of. |
I heard that Proud Boys are right wing Trump supporters that allow Ngo to make staged propaganda videos. | |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:53 - Nov 18 with 854 views | Catullus |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:29 - Nov 18 by A_Fans_Dad |
"Then you spend a lot of time defending Trump AND attacking the left."
If there is evidence that the left are lying, cheating, corrupt and possibly even treasonous are you saying that anybody, regardless of their "leaning" should not call them out on it? |
Trump hasn't produced any evidence. Those you and Dr P usually attack are guilty of a lot of things but where is the proof of corruption, voter fraud or treason.
No doubt those in Bidens camp could make a case for Treason against Trump for refusing to accept the result of the legally binding (and as Krebs states) and most secure election in USA history.
Whatever the truth is, what people choose to believe will always matter. Bidens stirring up of BLM and antifa is just as damaging, just as divisive as any lie Trump tells. | |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:58 - Nov 18 with 851 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:34 - Nov 18 by Catullus |
Where in my post did you get the idea I have a dreamy view of socialism, was it when I said it had failed badly or when I said it starved the masses to feed the few...some animals are more equal than others?
It's the version of capitalism that is the problem, this version where the poor get demonised for being benefit scroungers, wastrels and ne'er do wells. This version where the rich just keep getting richer at the expense of the vast majority of us and with all the damage the corporates are doing to the planet.
Just because socialism has been a cluster (removed) it doesn't mean that this version of capitalism is the best way.
This media wave of dishonesty, it's a bit peculiar given that (in the UK at least) most of the media seems right wing. It asks the question what is the real agenda?
Social media seems to be the biggest problem, it is rife with lies.
Your defence of Trump, you say it is from "my" common sense standpoint. Plenty of others would disagree that's it's common sense. It is your oinion definitely.
Take Trump today, he has sacked Chris Kebs for openly contradicting him. Krebs basically said you shouldn't believe lies posted online, even if the President posted them. He has also said any claims of ballot machines transferring votes are wrong and that this years US election was the most secure in history. He was also a Trump appointment.
Trump is on the verge of creating a constitutional crisis. Biden is a poor option and Harris is yet another politial chameleon but they won and according to CISA they won fair and square. It doesn't matterhwat good things Trump did, it doesn't matter how bad Biden and Harris turn out to be, if Trump destroys USA democracy because he's a narcissist who refuses to believe he lost, is that defensible? |
We have discussed socialism before. No version of socialism is better than any version of capitalism.
I am a perfect example of capitalism by the way. I came from a poor background, didn’t go to a particularly good school yet worked hard and make a nice life for myself and my family. You get out of life what you put in and that is what capitalism promotes.
As we have discussed before the rich are often mass employers and/or bring innovation to improve everybody's lives. Name me one successful society without a millionaire. There won’t be one.
The vast majority of Western media is left wing. Absolutely no doubt about it and have proven so many times. That includes social media which acts as another branch of government at the moment complete with political agenda.
Now for Trump, it’s not my opinion, I am often stating facts when I defend him. His successes stand for themselves, they aren’t spoken about of course because the media prefer to lie which the left then lap up. Him walking down a ramp slowly or saying “pussy” does not negate Middle East peace deals and lowest unemployment rates on record... it just doesn’t.
Being a Trump appointment means nothing. There seems to be some myth that if appointed under a certain administration then that means they swear allegiance to that party, it’s not true and there are many examples of such.
Trump has every right to follow the constitutional process in such an unprecedented election where such a historically inaccurate method of voting has been promoted to become such a large part of it. Without such processes they wouldn’t have found the thousands of miscounted or forgotten votes that not surprisingly would have largely gone in favour of Trump.
I have never seen so many people fans of Democracy be so offended by someone following a democratic process before. Anyone would think they have an agenda.... [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 11:04]
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 11:02 - Nov 18 with 850 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:53 - Nov 18 by Catullus |
Trump hasn't produced any evidence. Those you and Dr P usually attack are guilty of a lot of things but where is the proof of corruption, voter fraud or treason.
No doubt those in Bidens camp could make a case for Treason against Trump for refusing to accept the result of the legally binding (and as Krebs states) and most secure election in USA history.
Whatever the truth is, what people choose to believe will always matter. Bidens stirring up of BLM and antifa is just as damaging, just as divisive as any lie Trump tells. |
Cat, you are talking rubbish.
Biden was openly told by his side to “not concede under any circumstances” and you think they have a case against Trump for not conceding (as is his right) until investigations are complete, investigations which have so far shown thousands of miscounted votes.
I don’t know why you keep repeating the “no evidence” lie purported by the media. It’s a lie and just not true. There is plenty of evidence. Hundreds of pages of sworn affidavits from postal workers, poll watchers and ballot counters. | |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 11:36 - Nov 18 with 834 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 10:53 - Nov 18 by Catullus |
Trump hasn't produced any evidence. Those you and Dr P usually attack are guilty of a lot of things but where is the proof of corruption, voter fraud or treason.
No doubt those in Bidens camp could make a case for Treason against Trump for refusing to accept the result of the legally binding (and as Krebs states) and most secure election in USA history.
Whatever the truth is, what people choose to believe will always matter. Bidens stirring up of BLM and antifa is just as damaging, just as divisive as any lie Trump tells. |
Sorry Cat, but choosing to ignore what evidence of corruption and other activities involving the Democrats, FBI, DOJ, DHS & CIA does not make it go away. Only Biden being elected will do that.
The simple release of government data to the mass media is illegal, are you unaware of those incidents?
Just like the post on the ban of petrol & deisel cars which you have not responded to, you continue to ignore official data. | | | |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 11:52 - Nov 18 with 826 views | Catullus |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 11:02 - Nov 18 by Dr_Parnassus |
Cat, you are talking rubbish.
Biden was openly told by his side to “not concede under any circumstances” and you think they have a case against Trump for not conceding (as is his right) until investigations are complete, investigations which have so far shown thousands of miscounted votes.
I don’t know why you keep repeating the “no evidence” lie purported by the media. It’s a lie and just not true. There is plenty of evidence. Hundreds of pages of sworn affidavits from postal workers, poll watchers and ballot counters. |
Biden doesn'thav to concede, he won.
Where are these investigations showing thousands of miscounted votes being published then?
Where are these "Hundreds of pages" and in the spirit of conspiracies, how do we know they are not Trump supporters making it up?
Apparenlty we can't trsut the MSM or socila media and FAD says he gets his info from official sources and yet the official sources say there was no widespread fraud and these elections were the most secure ever.
So if not from MSM or social media nor from CISA, where is your evidence of voter fraud? Like I said previously, when Trump presents this evidence in court, then we will know biut if a judge throws it out what will you say then. Possibly call the judge corrupt?
You keep rpeating your opinion is based on commone sense, well until a judge backs Trump and calls for a fresh election, or tells Trump to stand down, I will continue to believe the evidence I have seen. That evidence comes from the official USA source, CISA. | |
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 12:33 - Nov 18 with 815 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 11:52 - Nov 18 by Catullus |
Biden doesn'thav to concede, he won.
Where are these investigations showing thousands of miscounted votes being published then?
Where are these "Hundreds of pages" and in the spirit of conspiracies, how do we know they are not Trump supporters making it up?
Apparenlty we can't trsut the MSM or socila media and FAD says he gets his info from official sources and yet the official sources say there was no widespread fraud and these elections were the most secure ever.
So if not from MSM or social media nor from CISA, where is your evidence of voter fraud? Like I said previously, when Trump presents this evidence in court, then we will know biut if a judge throws it out what will you say then. Possibly call the judge corrupt?
You keep rpeating your opinion is based on commone sense, well until a judge backs Trump and calls for a fresh election, or tells Trump to stand down, I will continue to believe the evidence I have seen. That evidence comes from the official USA source, CISA. |
He was told that before the election, not after.
Biden hasn’t won anything yet, has he.
What do you mean when are they being published? Like this you mean?
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.ajc.com/politics/georgia-recount-uncovers-26
There is a difference between official data and official opinion. One is fact based the other is opinion based.
Also what do you mean where are the affidavits? Why does it matter what their current location is? The point is their existence. If you want to create a conspiracy that hundreds of poll workers and postal workers are risking prison time by saying what they saw then that’s up to you I guess. But I tend to stay away from conspiracy theories personally.
You are letting your irrational and media driven bias against a man cloud your views and your judgement. That much is obvious and has been for quite some time. [Post edited 18 Nov 2020 12:35]
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 12:36 - Nov 18 with 812 views | A_Fans_Dad |
Cat, what if this is true.
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| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 18:41 - Nov 18 with 791 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| What’s the story with Kamala Harris? on 11:52 - Nov 18 by Catullus |
Biden doesn'thav to concede, he won.
Where are these investigations showing thousands of miscounted votes being published then?
Where are these "Hundreds of pages" and in the spirit of conspiracies, how do we know they are not Trump supporters making it up?
Apparenlty we can't trsut the MSM or socila media and FAD says he gets his info from official sources and yet the official sources say there was no widespread fraud and these elections were the most secure ever.
So if not from MSM or social media nor from CISA, where is your evidence of voter fraud? Like I said previously, when Trump presents this evidence in court, then we will know biut if a judge throws it out what will you say then. Possibly call the judge corrupt?
You keep rpeating your opinion is based on commone sense, well until a judge backs Trump and calls for a fresh election, or tells Trump to stand down, I will continue to believe the evidence I have seen. That evidence comes from the official USA source, CISA. |
Well would you call this evidence.
In Wayne county there are 1,336598 elligible voters.
Election voters for Wayne county 1,410,498.
A minor little discrepancy of 74,000 too many voters.
If this proves to be true, because we in the UK have absolutely no way of finding out one way or the other until it is declared true in court, then I would say that it suggests major fraud.
Or how about the case of David Shafer the chairman of the Georgia Republican party, who has reported "One of our monitors discovered a 9,626 vote error in the DeKalb County hand count. One batch was labeled 10,707 for Biden and 13 for Trump — an improbable margin even by DeKalb standards. The actual count for the batch was 1,081 for Biden and 13 for Trump."
So that is 9626 in just one pile of previously counted votes.
Are you prepared to call this guy a liar, because he would be pretty stupid to put it on the internet if it is not true.
Of course it could have been a simple mistake, you know, writing 10,707 instead 1,081 as they are so alike | | | |
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