| Prison Menus 17:06 - Oct 17 with 12704 views | Lord_Bony |
Not too bad actually. I think a lot of homeless people would prefer to be inside with a couple of square meals a day and access to playstions,tv,books etc. Like being in a holiday camp for some.
But to be fair,hard-core violent prisoners don't have access to any of this.
Here's a typical menu from HM Prison Hull...
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/chicken-curry-pizz |  |
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| Prison Menus on 20:44 - Oct 18 with 1877 views | LeonWasGod |
| Prison Menus on 19:15 - Oct 18 by Sirjohnalot |
I defended a chap who was charged with murder.
He was in bed and his house was broken into. There were two of them, one said his mate had his wife and daughter downstairs and were going to rape them. He fought this guy and in doing so, killed him with a knife from the house.
My client was arrested for murder and remanded for a trial which took place around 9 months later.....what type of food should he have had ? |
9 months sounds pretty quick compared to some stories coming out of the system. The public should be as interested in the state of the justice system as they are the NHS or schools, but don’t seem to be for some reason. |  | | |
| Prison Menus on 21:11 - Oct 18 with 1859 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Prison Menus on 20:40 - Oct 18 by Flashberryjack |
If I may ask, if he/she admits to committing a serious crime, but wants you to plead his/her innocence, how would that change things ? |
Always ask, always happy to answer anything I can.
Your first duty is to the court, you cannot mislead the court or lie to it. So if he tells you he has done it but wants to go not guilty, you cannot ‘assert a positive case’. What this means is that you can’t cross examine any witness saying that he is not guilty or did not do A B or C. You are able to let the prosecution case unfold without asking any questions to see if a case is made out but cannot call defendant and let him say he’s not done it if he’s told you he has.
If he insists on you cross examining witnesses and giving evidence, you can no longer represent him and you are professionally obliged to walk away. This is what normally happens, as you explain to him that you cannot properly represent him based on what he’s said. |  | | |
| Prison Menus on 21:14 - Oct 18 with 1852 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Prison Menus on 20:44 - Oct 18 by LeonWasGod |
9 months sounds pretty quick compared to some stories coming out of the system. The public should be as interested in the state of the justice system as they are the NHS or schools, but don’t seem to be for some reason. |
Because they think everyone accused is scum or guilty based in what they read in the papers. Had a guy yesterday on an appeal a conviction in the Crown Court which was successful, his name was cleared. He paid privately, but will only get a fraction of his costs back as the Government stopped reimbursing people about 5 years ago who’d be found not guilty. | | | |
| Prison Menus on 00:10 - Oct 19 with 1799 views | Jack123 |
Iv'e been watching the crime and punishment documentary on c4, only two episodes in, but to be in prison look's absolutely horrific! Nothing but self harm and locked up for 23 hours plus.. From what I have seen, doesn't seem to be much rehabilitation for these guys, just a constant cycle, prison, out, prison. :( |  |
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| Prison Menus on 00:14 - Oct 19 with 1798 views | DJack |
| Prison Menus on 19:20 - Oct 18 by Swanjaxs |
Do you think it's a good idea coming on a public forum and discussing one of your past clients?
To answer your question...
Basic prison food |
So then, he gave no identifying details...What's your point?
Secondly. What the fùck is "Basic prison food "? |  |
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| Prison Menus on 00:47 - Oct 19 with 1779 views | majorraglan |
| Prison Menus on 21:14 - Oct 18 by Sirjohnalot |
Because they think everyone accused is scum or guilty based in what they read in the papers. Had a guy yesterday on an appeal a conviction in the Crown Court which was successful, his name was cleared. He paid privately, but will only get a fraction of his costs back as the Government stopped reimbursing people about 5 years ago who’d be found not guilty. |
It’s a pretty poor state of affairs that people found not guilty are not reimbursed, I read the other day that the Government are looking to change this after a couple of high profile cases including the one against Nigel Evans MP. It can’t be right that people found Not Guilty are left picking up the pieces, potentially to the tune of tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds. |  | | |
| Prison Menus on 01:35 - Oct 19 with 1759 views | Swanjaxs |
| Prison Menus on 00:14 - Oct 19 by DJack |
So then, he gave no identifying details...What's your point?
Secondly. What the fùck is "Basic prison food "? |
Oh shut up you prìck your starting to annoy me know... |  |
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| Prison Menus on 01:38 - Oct 19 with 1753 views | DJack |
| Prison Menus on 01:35 - Oct 19 by Swanjaxs |
Oh shut up you prìck your starting to annoy me know... |
OK I'll bite. My previous post and what other annoys you?
p.s. Don't go searching to justify! | |
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| Prison Menus on 01:45 - Oct 19 with 1737 views | Swanjaxs |
| Prison Menus on 01:38 - Oct 19 by DJack |
OK I'll bite. My previous post and what other annoys you?
p.s. Don't go searching to justify! |
Everything you post annoys me.
p.s. go fuçk yourself 👠| |
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| Prison Menus on 01:46 - Oct 19 with 1734 views | DJack |
Any articles on rehabilitatin versus incarceration and their individual recidivism rates? | |
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| Prison Menus on 01:50 - Oct 19 with 1722 views | DJack |
| Prison Menus on 01:45 - Oct 19 by Swanjaxs |
Everything you post annoys me.
p.s. go fuçk yourself 👠|
For a docker you seem a bit sensitive. | |
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| Prison Menu on 07:51 - Oct 19 with 1661 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Prison Menus on 19:20 - Oct 18 by Swanjaxs |
Do you think it's a good idea coming on a public forum and discussing one of your past clients?
To answer your question...
Basic prison food |
it was in the paper at the time and reported. I’ve not said where, when, or anything about it that could lead to his being identified as he was also anonymised in the paper.
I’ve repeated the reported facts. | | | |
| Prison Menus on 09:15 - Oct 19 with 1618 views | jacks777 |
| Prison Menus on 21:54 - Oct 17 by Sirjohnalot |
Also the fact that a lot are locked up 22 plus hours a day in a small cell, face record levels of violence and and suicides.
Don’t believe all this holiday camp nonsense you read in the Daily Mail. It’s not true. I’ve just finished a inquest into a death of a prisoner in a local jail. Very grim. |
Well if they didn’t commit crime they wouldn’t be in jail would they. | | | |
| Prison Menus on 09:50 - Oct 19 with 1600 views | Highjack |
| Prison Menus on 09:15 - Oct 19 by jacks777 |
Well if they didn’t commit crime they wouldn’t be in jail would they. |
This. Let’s not start feeling sympathy for the human sputum who knowingly and willingly choose to hurt other people. |  |
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| Prison Menus on 12:01 - Oct 19 with 1568 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Prison Menus on 09:15 - Oct 19 by jacks777 |
Well if they didn’t commit crime they wouldn’t be in jail would they. |
Putting aside the growing number of people inside with major mental health problems, you are supposing that everybody in prison have been rightly convicted. The fact that people get freed on appeal may disprove that.
It also said that a society is judged on how it treats its poor and prisoners. Irrespective of what someone has done, is it not right that when they are in prison they should be treated with dignity ? Otherwise, is society, as a whole, any better than those who they are imprisoning ?
If prison is meant to be rehabilitation and punishment then treating people badly will only make them worse, surely ? | | | |
| Prison Menus on 12:06 - Oct 19 with 1553 views | jacks777 |
| Prison Menus on 12:01 - Oct 19 by Sirjohnalot |
Putting aside the growing number of people inside with major mental health problems, you are supposing that everybody in prison have been rightly convicted. The fact that people get freed on appeal may disprove that.
It also said that a society is judged on how it treats its poor and prisoners. Irrespective of what someone has done, is it not right that when they are in prison they should be treated with dignity ? Otherwise, is society, as a whole, any better than those who they are imprisoning ?
If prison is meant to be rehabilitation and punishment then treating people badly will only make them worse, surely ? |
Ridiculous. We can’t treat all prisoners on the theory that they may be innocent that logic just wouldn’t work. The vast majority are guilty.
Also who actually said “ society is judged” ? Probably some liberal snowflake who’s completely detached from reality. | | | |
| Prison Menus on 12:21 - Oct 19 with 1535 views | Swanjaxs |
| Prison Menus on 01:50 - Oct 19 by DJack |
For a docker you seem a bit sensitive. |
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| Prison Menus on 12:31 - Oct 19 with 1526 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Prison Menus on 12:06 - Oct 19 by jacks777 |
Ridiculous. We can’t treat all prisoners on the theory that they may be innocent that logic just wouldn’t work. The vast majority are guilty.
Also who actually said “ society is judged” ? Probably some liberal snowflake who’s completely detached from reality. |
It was Mahatma Ghandi. Not sure I’d describe him as a snowflake.
Not sure we’re going to agree here but if you’re going to Wigan in a couple of weeks, happy to buy you a pint. Hope you have a lovely weekend. | | | |
| Prison Menus on 12:35 - Oct 19 with 1523 views | jacks777 |
| Prison Menus on 12:31 - Oct 19 by Sirjohnalot |
It was Mahatma Ghandi. Not sure I’d describe him as a snowflake.
Not sure we’re going to agree here but if you’re going to Wigan in a couple of weeks, happy to buy you a pint. Hope you have a lovely weekend. |
Thanks for the offer but not going to Wigan. | | | |
| Prison Menus on 12:47 - Oct 19 with 1513 views | DJack |
| Prison Menus on 09:50 - Oct 19 by Highjack |
This. Let’s not start feeling sympathy for the human sputum who knowingly and willingly choose to hurt other people. |
Highjack, you and I have gone over this topic before and I still believe rehabilitation is a better choice than punishment, it doesn't mean I "have sympathy". It's just the countries that go for rehabilitation have less recidivism and it would be better to have a society of functioning, contributing humans rather than aggrieved thugs and charlatans. | |
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| Prison Menus on 12:47 - Oct 19 with 1513 views | DJack |
| Prison Menus on 12:21 - Oct 19 by Swanjaxs |
Cock |
Do you need a safe space? 
Try ADDING something to the discussion. | |
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| Prison Menus on 12:49 - Oct 19 with 1511 views | jacks777 |
| Prison Menus on 12:47 - Oct 19 by DJack |
Highjack, you and I have gone over this topic before and I still believe rehabilitation is a better choice than punishment, it doesn't mean I "have sympathy". It's just the countries that go for rehabilitation have less recidivism and it would be better to have a society of functioning, contributing humans rather than aggrieved thugs and charlatans. |
Rubbish | | | |
| Prison Menus on 13:39 - Oct 19 with 1491 views | Lord_Bony |
Gentlemen please. | |
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| Prison Menus on 13:59 - Oct 19 with 1469 views | Swanjaxs |
| Prison Menus on 12:47 - Oct 19 by DJack |
Do you need a safe space?
Try ADDING something to the discussion. |
I've made my point several times in this thread you div.
I seem to be a bit of a problem for you I think mate...
Now go fuçk yourself 👠| |
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