| Does Brexit die tonight? 11:59 - Sep 3 with 35280 views | westwalesed |
When this bill passes, which I expect it to, my understanding is that the EU theoretically can propose a different extension to the proposed January 31st, 2020 date currently in the bill.
The bill states that the PM has to accept that date, and that Parliament has two days to either accept or reject it (thereby putting any future extension date in the hands of Parliament as opposed to the PM). Given that we have a remain leaning parliament currently it's hard tp see how any proposed date would be rejected.
PM Johnson would then seek an election as he has stated, but now that it is looking as if the opposition parties may not get to the two-thirds of MPs required to trigger it, there will be no election at all. What then?
With a Govt that has to accept any date given and Parliament refusing to give him an opportunity to change the make up of the Commons, is this the day that Brexit dies?
Is it revoking A50 by the back door? |  |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:52 - Sep 9 with 1534 views | rockinjk |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:49 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
Who are all remainers. |
What should we do with them?
Should we start opening up camps? Should be put them in the army? What should we do? Firing squad?
Where is this going? | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:52 - Sep 9 with 1534 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:52 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
"She may have been remain before the referendum but this nonsense that’s she did her damndest to keep us in all along is just that."
Just what do you think the withrawal deal actually did, because it certainly did not remove us from the control of the EU or the ECJ. |
Yes it did, at the end of the implementation period in 2021. |  |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:54 - Sep 9 with 1525 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:42 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
So there we have it, a Not real Fund that is an accounting Curio rather than a real fund that just happens to have real cash allocated to it that is decreasing and may run out.
That is something that everyone including the Government calls a Fund.
What do I think it means I think that of course there is a pot of money, you cannot make a "nominal calculation" without the basis of real cash being somewhere.
The fact that it is lumped in with NHS and Benefits still means that there ids cash paid in and has have cash allocated. The nominal calculation merely means the amount allocated to Pensions has to taken from the overall Pot.
Perhaps if you think there is no fund you can explain where the Cash comes from that the Government calls a Fund?
I don't call it a fund they do. |
That’s a lengthy way of admitting you were wrong fansdad...
It doesn’t have real cash allocated to it. It’s an accounting figure only. As for your question - where does the cash come from. As I explained to you, the cash you get for your pension comes from people paying tax and national insurance at the moment.
Now, try again...
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:54 - Sep 9 with 1518 views | sherpajacob |
From your own link.
" for parliamentary approval to be required for any withdrawal agreement negotiated between HM Government and the European Union."
Parliament has not, as yet, approved any withdrawal agreement., as mentioned elsewhere, mainly due to the ERG and DUP voting against us leaving. |  |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:56 - Sep 9 with 1513 views | rockinjk |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:52 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy |
Yes it did, at the end of the implementation period in 2021. |
The most unbelievable part of all of this is the lack of understanding of what May produced
It was a hard Brexit:
Out of single market
End of free movement
Out of customs union once alternative arrangements agreed
The key point in this is end of free movement what most leave voters care about
But the right wing press has told them it’s terrible so therefore it’s terrible | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:56 - Sep 9 with 1512 views | WarwickHunt |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:49 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
Who are all remainers. |
The stupidity on this thread has reached new heights. Quite an achievement.😂
Catallus and ‘Dad’ - get warmed up, you’re off the bench... [Post edited 9 Sep 2019 21:00]
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:57 - Sep 9 with 1505 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:52 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy |
Yes it did, at the end of the implementation period in 2021. |
He’s as clueless about the WA as he is about the pension he is getting that is being paid for by IMMIGRANTS. And only immigrants. They’ve separated it out into a fund to pay fansdad.
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:57 - Sep 9 with 1505 views | rockinjk |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:56 - Sep 9 by WarwickHunt |
The stupidity on this thread has reached new heights. Quite an achievement.😂
Catallus and ‘Dad’ - get warmed up, you’re off the bench... [Post edited 9 Sep 2019 21:00]
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Cognitive dissonance reigns supreme
They will never admit it | | | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:04 - Sep 9 with 1475 views | WarwickHunt |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:54 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob |
From your own link.
" for parliamentary approval to be required for any withdrawal agreement negotiated between HM Government and the European Union."
Parliament has not, as yet, approved any withdrawal agreement., as mentioned elsewhere, mainly due to the ERG and DUP voting against us leaving. |
The own goal king gets a hat-trick.
He’s ace.😂 | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:17 - Sep 9 with 1432 views | sherpajacob |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:56 - Sep 9 by rockinjk |
The most unbelievable part of all of this is the lack of understanding of what May produced
It was a hard Brexit:
Out of single market
End of free movement
Out of customs union once alternative arrangements agreed
The key point in this is end of free movement what most leave voters care about
But the right wing press has told them it’s terrible so therefore it’s terrible |
Indeed, if she didn't need the DUP, GB would now be in the implementation period and a United Ireland would be in the post. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:19 - Sep 9 with 1429 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:17 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob |
Indeed, if she didn't need the DUP, GB would now be in the implementation period and a United Ireland would be in the post. |
Talk now is that the backstop will become NI only as per the original plan cos Johnson doesn’t need the DUP anymore now that his majority is down to about minus 40 and an election is imminent. That won’t help him with the ERG loons mind. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:20 - Sep 9 with 1419 views | LeonWasGod |
It was advisory. That’s the Withdrawal Act  |  | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:22 - Sep 9 with 1411 views | Professor |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 19:49 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy |
“A conspiracy theorist might say that when Yellowhammer was commissioned, if a remain PM asked for it might they have ensured remain supporting civil servants compiled it?”
That would be a particularly stupid conspiracy theory given that no one asks civil servant who they vote for and/or how they voted in the referendum.
“Although only politicians have seen the whole thing,”
That’s not true either.
Edit: May wasn’t a “remain PM” either. She may have been remain before the referendum but this nonsense that’s she did her damndest to keep us in all along is just that. She was utterly useless mind. [Post edited 9 Sep 2019 19:52]
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Penny Mordaunt's comments tend to support the theory May was just useless
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/09/penny-mordaunt-says-calls-for-c
She may be Tory leader by Christmas | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:23 - Sep 9 with 1403 views | sherpajacob |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:19 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy |
Talk now is that the backstop will become NI only as per the original plan cos Johnson doesn’t need the DUP anymore now that his majority is down to about minus 40 and an election is imminent. That won’t help him with the ERG loons mind. |
Will the conservative and unionist party vote for it?
What's left of them. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:24 - Sep 9 with 1399 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:23 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob |
Will the conservative and unionist party vote for it?
What's left of them. |
That party now exists in name only. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:25 - Sep 9 with 1392 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:20 - Sep 9 by LeonWasGod |
It was advisory. That’s the Withdrawal Act |
Give him a break. He’s had a tough day. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:28 - Sep 9 with 1385 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:23 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob |
Will the conservative and unionist party vote for it?
What's left of them. |
Dominic Cummings has been quoted tonight as saying he doesn’t care if Northern Ireland falls into the sea.
I’m sure it’s reciprocal.
That’s another 10 you need for the General Election Dominic. Added to the 13 in Scotland and the London MPs, and the MPs in the South West, that’s a lot in the North. Oh, and Farage has called you out again tonight. Oops. | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:02 - Sep 9 with 1351 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:54 - Sep 9 by sherpajacob |
From your own link.
" for parliamentary approval to be required for any withdrawal agreement negotiated between HM Government and the European Union."
Parliament has not, as yet, approved any withdrawal agreement., as mentioned elsewhere, mainly due to the ERG and DUP voting against us leaving. |
Funny how you all skipped over the first and main part of the Act, ie repealing of the European Communities Act.
Which means we will be out of the EU. | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:07 - Sep 9 with 1343 views | rockinjk |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 21:24 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy |
That party now exists in name only. |
English Nationalist party now
Authoritarian, Economically Nationalist, anti immigrant, corporatist
Sounds very fascist | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:11 - Sep 9 with 1333 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:07 - Sep 9 by rockinjk |
English Nationalist party now
Authoritarian, Economically Nationalist, anti immigrant, corporatist
Sounds very fascist |
It’s certainly the very antithesis of conservatism and/Toryism. And as you know, I was no fan in the first place. | |
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| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:16 - Sep 9 with 1322 views | rockinjk |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:11 - Sep 9 by exiledclaseboy |
It’s certainly the very antithesis of conservatism and/Toryism. And as you know, I was no fan in the first place. |
Hmm don’t fully agree it’s a strand of conservatism
The Monday Club then later UKIP style
What centre right politics has been able to do is muzzle them now they have the power and all bets are off
This isn’t meant to be the case. But you’re right traditional conservatism is in trouble | | | |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 22:48 - Sep 9 with 1272 views | DJack |
| Does Brexit die tonight? on 20:49 - Sep 9 by A_Fans_Dad |
Who are all remainers. |
You are totally bonkers. |  |
| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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