| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place 01:19 - Jan 1 with 32648 views | MyFinalHeaven |
1. DC United, which Levien owns and is the managing director of. They recently finished tied for last place in the 22 team MLS and scored the fewest number of goals. Last place, least amount of goals--talk about a parallel to us.
2. Memphis Grizzlies, which Kaplan owns and is the Vice Chairman of. Currently dead last in the Western Conference of the NBA.
3. And of course, us. Dead last in the EPL and like DC United, also dead last when it comes to goals scored.
This is a new low in sports ownership history. Never before has an individual or a group of individuals who owned 2 or more clubs ever had them all in last place like this. And these blokes own 3. Congrats on the accomplishment you stupid cvnts. It takes a special kind of incompetence and uselessness to achieve such a task, and somehow you two managed it.
What sticks out for me most is with the other football team they own besides ours, DC United, which has gone down a very similar path to SCFC since Levien took them over back in 2012. It's eerie almost in the similarities. In his first full season as owner in 2013 DC United finished dead last, and in every year of his ownership they've been in the bottom 4 of the league in terms of wage bills. And just like us, Levien has not put a cent into the club. Looking at DC United fans talk about their ownership on social media and on their message board, it's strikingly reminiscent of ours, with their supporters expressing utter hopelessness and frustration about how club brass don't give two fvcks about the club, how they only care about making money, and how even the bare minimum isn't being put in. Have a look at DC United's transfer spending sheet year by year, it's one of the most depressing things I have ever seen. In 6 years of ownership Levien has spent just £4.6m on players, and they had THREE SEASONS WHERE THEY DIDN'T EVEN SPEND A SINGLE DOLLAR ON PLAYERS:
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/d-c-united/alletransfers/verein/2440
Levien has ran to the press and postured about how desperate he is to spend and win though. Check out what he said back in April 2013. The team would end up spending £0 on players that season:
“We are willing to spend what it takes to be competitive at the upper echelons of the league,” he said. “The revenue streams are still not there, but while we are mindful of that, we want to win. And we owe it to our fans and our own competitive nature to assemble a roster that can compete with anyone in the league.”
From: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/soccer-insider/wp/2013/04/29/few-minutes-wit
Sound familiar? That's because it is. Remember what Levien said in his first conference after the takeover about how willing he was to spend, bragging endlessly about his "financial resources," how he wanted to "make a splash," and how we were no longer going to be a selling club or a club that players used as a stepping stone?:
"We will be relentless in our determination to continually improve this club - and we have the financial resources to do so. We will be competitive and we will outwork our opponents on the pitch and in the boardroom."
"We want to build a football club that is competitive...perhaps Swansea has been seen as a stepping-stone club for some players in the past, a chance to show what they can do in the Premier League before moving quickly on. Those days are over."
“I think Huw has a tremendous football mind and he’s proven that over more than a decade. We want to make sure Huw and the club have the resources to succeed. We want to make a splash."
But wait, it gets even worse. Let's not forget Levien also said the following:
"Steve and I have both said our first, second and third priority is what's going to help us on the pitch short and long-term."
"Our message to fans is we are very focused on winning and continued success."
"The biggest thing of all is that when we go out on that pitch we're competitive."
"It's something that I love, something that drives me to be involved in sports - you're in the game to win the game and that's why we're here."
We recognise this club means so much to so many people and we take the responsibility as owners very seriously. While we plan on being long-term owners we know the team belongs to the community. In essence, we see ourselves as guardians of the club but it belongs to the fans of Swansea City. One thing we want to be clear about is our priorities as owners. Priority number one, two and three is the performance of the team on the pitch. We will field a competitive team that will battle every week against the greatest teams and players in the world. We know there is always a sense of fear and trepidation when new owners arrive on the scene but we will do everything in our power to win your trust and ensure there is a long and bright future for Swansea City.
Given all this, and with Kaplan and Levien's utterly horrendous track record when it comes to sports ownership, it is absolutely appalling why Jenkins would sell to these two, especially when he's babbled so much over the years about how he wants to ensure Swansea City is in the right hands and continues to move forward when he eventually leaves. It's especially perplexing when you take into account that he had turned down John Jay Moores' attempt to purchase us, someone who actually has a somewhat successful history of owning a team with the San Diego Padres, which he owned from 1994 to 2008. How he could turn down Moores, or anyone really, for these two con men is absolutely incredible. My only guess is that Moores' offer did not include a guarantee he would stay on as chairman and remain in power like K&L's offer, and that Moores was looking to replace him with a proper DoF should he have taken over. [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 10:06]
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 15:17 - Jan 1 with 3142 views | max936 |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 03:47 - Jan 1 by Swanseaman |
The things that people can do for money. Money can blind people, money can turn people crazy. The number of people who have killed their wives or husbands to claim the life insurance. That's how far people can take it for the love of money.
What Jenkins did, we can all see it (apart from him), that it was wrong. He should never have done it to our club, to put us in this predicament.
But I'm never going to think that he sold it to them thinking that they would turn out to be as bad as they have, he was obviously hoping that they would do well, in order for him to come out on top.. |
If Jenkins had done a due diligence assessment on them he wouldn't have sold it, the fact is he wasn't interested in doing any assessment he just wanted those Silver Dollars in his bank account, to give him everything he wanted look at what he's spending his new found wealth on massive home improvements on his house buying properties down Saundersfoot Marbella, look at what Dineen is doing, none of it would be happening without the Yanks money. It was all about the Money to them. |  |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 15:18 - Jan 1 with 3140 views | dobjack2 |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 14:38 - Jan 1 by Swanseaman |
All you do is post here slagging down and calling people thick or an c*nt, instead of tying to get everyone together and work out exactly what can be done, your only answer is to post aggressive posts to people and take it out on them. That's your enjoyment.
You want everyone to think that Jenkins knew beforehand they were as bad as they have turned out to be... Can't have anyone think that he might have believed they would actually be OK, no.
Don't try and brainwash me into thinking that he knew they would turn out to be this bad.
I think Jenkins went about the sale knowing there was a risk involved. And he didn't want to involve the trust because he knew they may not agree with the sale (may have thought the Americans may not be good enough).
I don't think Jenkins knew they would turn out this bad though, he's now having problems with them which he's felt the need to come out and make public..
If you want to believe that he really knew they would be like this, that's up to you. I can clearly see the way they are is now getting to him. There looks to be an ever increasing breakdown of communication between them both... [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 15:01]
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It’s all about thoughts and opinions unless anyone has heard things from the horse’s mouth.
IMHO the risk of the deal going wrong inside a couple of years was viewed as a lesser risk than losing out on a payday from a share sale. I can only go on the actions of the selling shareholders to exclude the trust. The only reason I can think of to do that was a concern that the due diligence of the trust may have uncovered issues that could have put the share sale at risk. Just like the time before.
I suspect that the owners may not have followed through on some of their promises but that does not validate how the share sale was conducted. |  | | |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 15:21 - Jan 1 with 3137 views | Swanseaman |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 15:18 - Jan 1 by dobjack2 |
It’s all about thoughts and opinions unless anyone has heard things from the horse’s mouth.
IMHO the risk of the deal going wrong inside a couple of years was viewed as a lesser risk than losing out on a payday from a share sale. I can only go on the actions of the selling shareholders to exclude the trust. The only reason I can think of to do that was a concern that the due diligence of the trust may have uncovered issues that could have put the share sale at risk. Just like the time before.
I suspect that the owners may not have followed through on some of their promises but that does not validate how the share sale was conducted. |
A sensible post, some good points there.. |  |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 15:28 - Jan 1 with 3122 views | swan65split |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 15:18 - Jan 1 by dobjack2 |
It’s all about thoughts and opinions unless anyone has heard things from the horse’s mouth.
IMHO the risk of the deal going wrong inside a couple of years was viewed as a lesser risk than losing out on a payday from a share sale. I can only go on the actions of the selling shareholders to exclude the trust. The only reason I can think of to do that was a concern that the due diligence of the trust may have uncovered issues that could have put the share sale at risk. Just like the time before.
I suspect that the owners may not have followed through on some of their promises but that does not validate how the share sale was conducted. |
as someone described as lost his marbles and a thick K00nt ....I concur . |  | | |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 15:34 - Jan 1 with 3107 views | Swanseaman |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 15:10 - Jan 1 by A_Fans_Dad |
What don't you understand about whether he knew or not, it is immaterial as he obviously does not give a Sh!t.
Add to that the fact that his Ego is far too big to let him think he could possibly be wrong, when he obviously has been many times in the recent past and you have a recipy for disaster and the longer he is here the larger the disaster could get. |
I agree it is totally immaterial, my opinion he may not have known how bad they would turn out to be or not, that isn't the main issue. I said a lot more than that in my post
I said that 'He should have known from the Tony Petty era, to involve the fans because there are those who would have have worked them out.. '
And I said that 'The Americans should sell us on now because if they mess their investment up with us, (if we get relegated) their value will plummet.
I think the main focus should be aimed more at ousting the Americans, yes Jenkins has done wrong, but I believe that the Americans are our main problem at the moment.
If we could work out a way to convince them to want to sell up, possibly a block from the council on them getting their hands on the Liberty stadium. Would be a start. | |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:01 - Jan 1 with 3076 views | sammylee3 |
They are a pair of Jewish gangsters with no interest in the club, they are interested in one thing buying and selling franchises. They will asset strip us to the core.
How many times have I said it, Jenkins and trust were and are absolute jokers allowing this take over. Everything they worked for has been thrown away to the highest bidder. Many seem utterly clueless to the type of people we are dealing with. [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 16:03]
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:20 - Jan 1 with 3051 views | Humpty |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:01 - Jan 1 by sammylee3 |
They are a pair of Jewish gangsters with no interest in the club, they are interested in one thing buying and selling franchises. They will asset strip us to the core.
How many times have I said it, Jenkins and trust were and are absolute jokers allowing this take over. Everything they worked for has been thrown away to the highest bidder. Many seem utterly clueless to the type of people we are dealing with. [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 16:03]
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Oh do f*ck off.
All the way back to Stormfront. |  | | |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:26 - Jan 1 with 3043 views | sammylee3 |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:20 - Jan 1 by Humpty |
Oh do f*ck off.
All the way back to Stormfront. |
shut up you bellend, so your happy they own our club . Clearly their massive Swans fans and weren't interested in buying a debt free premier league club for little money cashing in on our best players as they go you utter mug. [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 16:32]
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:40 - Jan 1 with 3011 views | Humpty |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:26 - Jan 1 by sammylee3 |
shut up you bellend, so your happy they own our club . Clearly their massive Swans fans and weren't interested in buying a debt free premier league club for little money cashing in on our best players as they go you utter mug. [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 16:32]
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No I'm not happy they own our club. And they are doing what I expected them to do. That's why I'm angry the club was sold to them.
I agree with you on that.
You know damn well what I disagree with you about though. F*cking idiot. | | | |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:44 - Jan 1 with 3011 views | caerleon_jack |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 03:38 - Jan 1 by Swanseaman |
We didn't all just know. We didn't know for sure. We were all fed their bullshit, and most of us hoped they would turn out to be OK.
Now we know, now we know for 100% certain what they are like.
And I don't think Jenkins sold to them thinking they would turn out this bad. I'm not sticking up for him at all by saying that. He was wrong in what he did, but he would have been hoping they would have been a lot better than they have.
Do you think that Jenkins really knew how bad the Americas would turnout to be? |
No Jenkins didn't know how bad they would be, the problem is that he quite clearly didn't care, as long as he and his mates got their payday. If he honestly did any due diligence on Levein, he would have found plenty that would have concerned him if he cared about the club moving forward. |  |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:46 - Jan 1 with 3007 views | sammylee3 |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:40 - Jan 1 by Humpty |
No I'm not happy they own our club. And they are doing what I expected them to do. That's why I'm angry the club was sold to them.
I agree with you on that.
You know damn well what I disagree with you about though. F*cking idiot. |
we know who owns what and good luck to them including most the worlds banks, major companies, major sports franchises and every media outlet in the US nearly.
Facts are facts and you can now add Swans to that list pr1ck end. [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 16:46]
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:48 - Jan 1 with 2989 views | Humpty |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:46 - Jan 1 by sammylee3 |
we know who owns what and good luck to them including most the worlds banks, major companies, major sports franchises and every media outlet in the US nearly.
Facts are facts and you can now add Swans to that list pr1ck end. [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 16:46]
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Who owns the banks, the major companies, sport franchises, every media outlet and the Swans?
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:52 - Jan 1 with 2981 views | sammylee3 |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:48 - Jan 1 by Humpty |
Who owns the banks, the major companies, sport franchises, every media outlet and the Swans?
Who? |
look it up for yourself w4nker | | | |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:53 - Jan 1 with 2975 views | Smellyplumz |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:52 - Jan 1 by sammylee3 |
look it up for yourself w4nker |
Season of good will to all men huh |  |
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""Although I cannot promise or predict the future, I can guarantee one thing - the current board of directors will always fight, as we have done over the last 12 years, to work together as one with the Supporters Trust to make 100% sure that Swansea City football club remains the number one priority in all our thoughts and in every decision we make." | | Poll: | Huw Jenkins |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:54 - Jan 1 with 2972 views | caerleon_jack |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:52 - Jan 1 by sammylee3 |
look it up for yourself w4nker |
Do they own the search engines as well? | |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:56 - Jan 1 with 2965 views | sammylee3 |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:54 - Jan 1 by caerleon_jack |
Do they own the search engines as well? |
Do you mean google, FB, twitter? | | | |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 17:51 - Jan 1 with 2907 views | Swanseaman |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:44 - Jan 1 by caerleon_jack |
No Jenkins didn't know how bad they would be, the problem is that he quite clearly didn't care, as long as he and his mates got their payday. If he honestly did any due diligence on Levein, he would have found plenty that would have concerned him if he cared about the club moving forward. |
I agree.
His actions, blinded by the love of money, but knowing there were potential risks involved. He decided to go ahead with it, thinking that if he stayed on as DOF he could mitigate any potential dangers and everything would all OK.
What he failed to foresee was that the Americans would be so hard to deal with, they would not agree to everything Jenkins wanted/advised and things would turn messy.
Ultimately, the blame lies with Jenkins and the other directors who chose to sell to these Americans. But the main problem we have now isn't Jenkins, it is the Americans. Apart from running the club badly and making poor decisions, they are also trying to get a hold of the Liberty stadium, if that were to happen it could spell disaster for us.. | |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 18:05 - Jan 1 with 2898 views | sammylee3 |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 17:51 - Jan 1 by Swanseaman |
I agree.
His actions, blinded by the love of money, but knowing there were potential risks involved. He decided to go ahead with it, thinking that if he stayed on as DOF he could mitigate any potential dangers and everything would all OK.
What he failed to foresee was that the Americans would be so hard to deal with, they would not agree to everything Jenkins wanted/advised and things would turn messy.
Ultimately, the blame lies with Jenkins and the other directors who chose to sell to these Americans. But the main problem we have now isn't Jenkins, it is the Americans. Apart from running the club badly and making poor decisions, they are also trying to get a hold of the Liberty stadium, if that were to happen it could spell disaster for us.. |
They will rip the sh1t out of us, just don't tell Numpty | | | |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 19:47 - Jan 1 with 2844 views | caerleon_jack |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:56 - Jan 1 by sammylee3 |
Do you mean google, FB, twitter? |
Facebook and Twitter aren't search engines, but I'm sure you could apply your anti-Semitic rhetoric to them as well. | |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 19:53 - Jan 1 with 2838 views | Yossarian |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 16:53 - Jan 1 by Smellyplumz |
Season of good will to all men huh |
He is a total bellend though. |  |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 22:04 - Jan 1 with 2794 views | sammylee3 |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 19:47 - Jan 1 by caerleon_jack |
Facebook and Twitter aren't search engines, but I'm sure you could apply your anti-Semitic rhetoric to them as well. |
whats antisemitic about saying our owners are Jewish, there are many Chinese owners in the premier league. They also consider themselves a non multi cultural race. The Chinese own a lot companies and football clubs, the Jews own large percentages of American media, banking, the internet and sport as a race FACT.
Just because I believe our owners gangsters in reality does not mean I think all Jews are gangsters you idiots. | | | |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 22:43 - Jan 1 with 2765 views | MyFinalHeaven |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 02:15 - Jan 1 by clloy2 |
I suspect HJ didn't turn down Moores offer, it was the trust. Presumably the trust can confirm this. |
I know the trust weren't keen on selling to Moores, but if Jenkins wanted to do so and felt as though he offered a deal that best suited him and his posse, he would have taken it, 100%. We already saw how he defied the trust when he went behind their backs to collude with the Americans to sell the club in secrecy. Given that, I have no doubt he would have sold to Moores even if the trust said no.
In the last year and a half Jenkins has held the trust, their shareholding, and their authority in contempt time and time again. To them, they're just a nuisance against getting his riches. | |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 22:48 - Jan 1 with 2751 views | sammylee3 |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 22:43 - Jan 1 by MyFinalHeaven |
I know the trust weren't keen on selling to Moores, but if Jenkins wanted to do so and felt as though he offered a deal that best suited him and his posse, he would have taken it, 100%. We already saw how he defied the trust when he went behind their backs to collude with the Americans to sell the club in secrecy. Given that, I have no doubt he would have sold to Moores even if the trust said no.
In the last year and a half Jenkins has held the trust, their shareholding, and their authority in contempt time and time again. To them, they're just a nuisance against getting his riches. |
I asked Jenkins before if we need investment why not float on the stock market as Man U did on the NYSE. He was not interested, was seemingly tired of the club along with directors. He wanted to cash in as did all the other sellouts, selling the fans down the river completely.
His plan is for the Yanks to spunk the money up, rip the shit out of us then come back with Morgan and pick the pieces up down the road. This is and was the plan and nothing changes, next few years we are going to get shafted and there will be little new investment. [Post edited 1 Jan 2018 23:02]
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 00:01 - Jan 2 with 2694 views | Jack123 |
Very en-lighting posts, must admit, it makes me very sad the way we have been shafted..it's starting to really stand out now. |  |
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| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 00:16 - Jan 2 with 2675 views | BanosPerth |
| Kaplan and Levien now own 3 sports teams that are all in last place on 22:04 - Jan 1 by sammylee3 |
whats antisemitic about saying our owners are Jewish, there are many Chinese owners in the premier league. They also consider themselves a non multi cultural race. The Chinese own a lot companies and football clubs, the Jews own large percentages of American media, banking, the internet and sport as a race FACT.
Just because I believe our owners gangsters in reality does not mean I think all Jews are gangsters you idiots. |
I agree with you mate, you can barely use the word 'Jewish' or be critical of Israel these days without somebody bleating and playing the race card. So let's change this for the benefit of the more sensitive souls among us. Let's replace 'Jewish gangsters' with 'Jewish con-men'. | | | |
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