| Get with the programme! 17:59 - Feb 17 with 7924 views | borntogo |
If match programme sales were low last night (and I'm sure they were) it might be because the seller(s) hared off (past lots of possible punters) about 15 minutes before the kick off. This was at the Sandy Lane end of the ground.
At half-time someone walked around the pitch waving them but at such a speed it was impossible to negotiate the stairs and folks carrying pie and peas to actually flag him down.
Such a shame when it's a good read. |  | | |  |
| Get with the programme! on 18:01 - Feb 17 with 5959 views | TVOS1907 |
Could you email this information to the club? |  |
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| Get with the programme! on 18:13 - Feb 17 with 5916 views | 49thseason |
Hey TVOS,
Given that there were less than 2000 fans there last night, is it actually possible to make a profit from selling programmes over the whole season?
If you printed say 10,000 per match and got enough advertising to cover the print and editorial costs, could you not give a copy to everyone at the match and distribute the remainders to schools (via Keith Hicks)? |  | | |
| Get with the programme! on 18:24 - Feb 17 with 5882 views | TalkingSutty |
| Get with the programme! on 18:13 - Feb 17 by 49thseason |
Hey TVOS,
Given that there were less than 2000 fans there last night, is it actually possible to make a profit from selling programmes over the whole season?
If you printed say 10,000 per match and got enough advertising to cover the print and editorial costs, could you not give a copy to everyone at the match and distribute the remainders to schools (via Keith Hicks)? |
That's a form of child cruelty. |  | | |
| Get with the programme! on 19:07 - Feb 17 with 5800 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get with the programme! on 18:13 - Feb 17 by 49thseason |
Hey TVOS,
Given that there were less than 2000 fans there last night, is it actually possible to make a profit from selling programmes over the whole season?
If you printed say 10,000 per match and got enough advertising to cover the print and editorial costs, could you not give a copy to everyone at the match and distribute the remainders to schools (via Keith Hicks)? |
To be honest, I don't deal with the money side of things so I don't know how it goes regarding profit.
I do know that games like Leeds, Forest, etc, help greatly in that regard, however.
The second idea would need some thought and is a big gamble, especially as it would take a lot more advertising to cover costs. | |
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| Get with the programme! on 19:18 - Feb 17 with 5768 views | D_Alien |
With the Crewe game being played last night following the Boxing Day postponement, was last night's programme the original?
Just thinking about the revenue from our two postponements, we'd have lost over 1000 spectators last night, and will possibly lose around 500 next week against Fleetwood.
That's in the region of £30,000 lost |  |
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| Get with the programme! on 20:22 - Feb 17 with 5642 views | boromat |
I saw something similar against Millwall a seller was moving from the main entrance down sandy either back to the shop or to a different position but there was still another seller at the main gate so didn't think too much about it. I'm sure there was a valid reason. | |
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| Get with the programme! on 20:24 - Feb 17 with 5651 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Get with the programme! on 19:18 - Feb 17 by D_Alien |
With the Crewe game being played last night following the Boxing Day postponement, was last night's programme the original?
Just thinking about the revenue from our two postponements, we'd have lost over 1000 spectators last night, and will possibly lose around 500 next week against Fleetwood.
That's in the region of £30,000 lost |
You raise a good point here.......IF the match had been played on Boxing Day could we realistically have 2 more points right now?
Crewe were pretty poor then and we were holding our own........it's the opposite now>
That's postponements for you........yes,I know there are no guarantees!!! | | | |
| Get with the programme! on 20:47 - Feb 17 with 5608 views | nordenblue |
| Get with the programme! on 19:18 - Feb 17 by D_Alien |
With the Crewe game being played last night following the Boxing Day postponement, was last night's programme the original?
Just thinking about the revenue from our two postponements, we'd have lost over 1000 spectators last night, and will possibly lose around 500 next week against Fleetwood.
That's in the region of £30,000 lost |
I'm sure tvos mentioned it was the original program with a 4 page addition,if my dodgy memory is anywhere near correct | | | |
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| Get with the programme! on 21:34 - Feb 17 with 5543 views | R17ALE |
| Get with the programme! on 20:47 - Feb 17 by nordenblue |
I'm sure tvos mentioned it was the original program with a 4 page addition,if my dodgy memory is anywhere near correct |
There was an insert in yesterday's TVOS, as usual with re-arranged games.
The problem of the sellers buggering off 15 minutes before kick-off is an old one, and must decimate sales as 66% of the crowd turn up in that 15 minute window.
I know they do so as not to miss kick-off, but they're paid to do a job, and if that means they miss the first 5 minutes then so be it. (Although yesterday probably justifies their early finish!)
We could easily sell an extra 100 programmes per match which equals £6,900 over a League season, or a loan player for a month. |  |
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| Get with the programme! on 21:40 - Feb 17 with 5525 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get with the programme! on 20:47 - Feb 17 by nordenblue |
I'm sure tvos mentioned it was the original program with a 4 page addition,if my dodgy memory is anywhere near correct |
It was mentioned on the official website. That was the first I knew about them doing the insert. | |
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| Get with the programme! on 21:45 - Feb 17 with 5508 views | Dorislove |
| Get with the programme! on 21:34 - Feb 17 by R17ALE |
There was an insert in yesterday's TVOS, as usual with re-arranged games.
The problem of the sellers buggering off 15 minutes before kick-off is an old one, and must decimate sales as 66% of the crowd turn up in that 15 minute window.
I know they do so as not to miss kick-off, but they're paid to do a job, and if that means they miss the first 5 minutes then so be it. (Although yesterday probably justifies their early finish!)
We could easily sell an extra 100 programmes per match which equals £6,900 over a League season, or a loan player for a month. |
Thats Turnover R17 ,profit to pay a players wage is about 30/40 percent of that ,maybe still a months wages but a closer amount to pay them. |  | | |
| Get with the programme! on 21:53 - Feb 17 with 5483 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get with the programme! on 21:34 - Feb 17 by R17ALE |
There was an insert in yesterday's TVOS, as usual with re-arranged games.
The problem of the sellers buggering off 15 minutes before kick-off is an old one, and must decimate sales as 66% of the crowd turn up in that 15 minute window.
I know they do so as not to miss kick-off, but they're paid to do a job, and if that means they miss the first 5 minutes then so be it. (Although yesterday probably justifies their early finish!)
We could easily sell an extra 100 programmes per match which equals £6,900 over a League season, or a loan player for a month. |
You need to relay this information to the club..... | |
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| Get with the programme! on 21:55 - Feb 17 with 5473 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get with the programme! on 19:18 - Feb 17 by D_Alien |
With the Crewe game being played last night following the Boxing Day postponement, was last night's programme the original?
Just thinking about the revenue from our two postponements, we'd have lost over 1000 spectators last night, and will possibly lose around 500 next week against Fleetwood.
That's in the region of £30,000 lost |
Yes, it was the original.
It costs around £1000 to print the quantity we have, so it's not financially prudent to pulp them all and start again.
A club like Man United will sell at least 50,000 programmes per match, including subscriptions, I reckon. Think about the profit on that! | |
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| Get with the programme! on 22:15 - Feb 17 with 5436 views | R17ALE |
| Get with the programme! on 21:45 - Feb 17 by Dorislove |
Thats Turnover R17 ,profit to pay a players wage is about 30/40 percent of that ,maybe still a months wages but a closer amount to pay them. |
No. that's profit.
If you order 700 programmes, you pay the printers that fee irrespective of how many you sell.
If you sell 500 that's £1500 in revenue.
If you sell 100 more that's £300 per match extra profit. | |
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| Get with the programme! on 22:18 - Feb 17 with 5426 views | R17ALE |
| Get with the programme! on 21:53 - Feb 17 by TVOS1907 |
You need to relay this information to the club..... |
I did once. I told Messrs. D. E.
Otherwise known as Deaf Ears! | |
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| Get with the programme! on 22:29 - Feb 17 with 5403 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get with the programme! on 22:18 - Feb 17 by R17ALE |
I did once. I told Messrs. D. E.
Otherwise known as Deaf Ears! |
Don't think I know him. | |
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| Get with the programme! on 22:32 - Feb 17 with 5395 views | judd |
| Get with the programme! on 21:55 - Feb 17 by TVOS1907 |
Yes, it was the original.
It costs around £1000 to print the quantity we have, so it's not financially prudent to pulp them all and start again.
A club like Man United will sell at least 50,000 programmes per match, including subscriptions, I reckon. Think about the profit on that! |
It makes great bog roll. |  |
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| Get with the programme! on 22:44 - Feb 17 with 5370 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get with the programme! on 22:32 - Feb 17 by judd |
It makes great bog roll. |
I know, saves me a fortune in Izal. | |
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| Get with the programme! on 22:59 - Feb 17 with 5344 views | D_Alien |
| Get with the programme! on 22:44 - Feb 17 by TVOS1907 |
I know, saves me a fortune in Izal. |
The Spanish rock band?
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| Get with the programme! on 23:01 - Feb 17 with 5340 views | Dorislove |
| Get with the programme! on 22:15 - Feb 17 by R17ALE |
No. that's profit.
If you order 700 programmes, you pay the printers that fee irrespective of how many you sell.
If you sell 500 that's £1500 in revenue.
If you sell 100 more that's £300 per match extra profit. |
If a run cost is about £1000 (TVOS) 700 costs £1.40 each.
Sell them at £3 each
Club gains £3 minus £1.40 =£1100 Not sure if the VAT is included in the costs.If not
£2100 -£1176 £924 than take away the sellers 10% +£846 TO THE CLUB.
Not sure if my figures match with yours but not really a sum to send the pulses racing for all the hard work that is put into it. | | | |
| Get with the programme! on 23:24 - Feb 17 with 5309 views | 1mark1 |
It's the principle that as many fans as possible who turn up to a match can get a programme, if they want one, for various reasons, including helping getting the club's news out to fans. No matter how much extra income to the club, it all helps. |  |
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| Get with the programme! on 23:28 - Feb 17 with 5295 views | 442Dale |
| Get with the programme! on 23:24 - Feb 17 by 1mark1 |
It's the principle that as many fans as possible who turn up to a match can get a programme, if they want one, for various reasons, including helping getting the club's news out to fans. No matter how much extra income to the club, it all helps. |
They want it to read kit nonsense.
FACT. |  |
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| Get with the programme! on 00:08 - Feb 18 with 5265 views | oddjob007 |
While on the subject, it is perhaps surprising in this digital age that match day programmes do still exist, especially when you think of the recent announcement of the demise of the printed edition of the Independent.
I wonder what the future holds for the match day programme? Clearly a lucrative revenue source for premiership clubs, but what about us smaller lower league clubs? What is the alternative? Or will they buck the trend of the new digital world? | | | |
| Get with the programme! on 06:18 - Feb 18 with 5183 views | TalkingSutty |
| Get with the programme! on 00:08 - Feb 18 by oddjob007 |
While on the subject, it is perhaps surprising in this digital age that match day programmes do still exist, especially when you think of the recent announcement of the demise of the printed edition of the Independent.
I wonder what the future holds for the match day programme? Clearly a lucrative revenue source for premiership clubs, but what about us smaller lower league clubs? What is the alternative? Or will they buck the trend of the new digital world? |
Buying a programme goes hand in hand with attending the game for many fans,its the first thing i do when i get to the Stadium. Many people like to collect them and they are interesting to read. One thing I particularly like are the old black and white pictures on the last page and the reminders of how Spotland used to look.
Its alright downloading information on your laptop/iPad but having a programme at the game also means you can check opposition players who catch your eye. You can also refer to the referee by his surname when advising him about the odd decision during the game.
The price of programmes is what will break the camels back, people will pay three quid but once it goes over that mark then I think psychologically people will think 'I won't bother'. TVOS produces the programme in his own time for no financial reward and it saves somebody at the club having to do it. I would imagine it probably brings not far off 15K a year into the club (rough guess), that's a lot of money for one fan to generate ( TVOS).
Multiply the annual amount by the years he's been producing the programme and you realise the amount of money his efforts have brought into the Club. It's a good read. [Post edited 18 Feb 2016 6:22]
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| Get with the programme! on 08:32 - Feb 18 with 5091 views | TVOS1907 |
| Get with the programme! on 00:08 - Feb 18 by oddjob007 |
While on the subject, it is perhaps surprising in this digital age that match day programmes do still exist, especially when you think of the recent announcement of the demise of the printed edition of the Independent.
I wonder what the future holds for the match day programme? Clearly a lucrative revenue source for premiership clubs, but what about us smaller lower league clubs? What is the alternative? Or will they buck the trend of the new digital world? |
Some clubs do produce digital programmes, but these are the likes of Arsenal and Man United who have worldwide fanbases, thereby making it quite lucrative for them.
We have been approached by a company but their cut of the sales was such that Dale would have been left with very little profit.
What will happen in future is anyone's guess, though. | |
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