| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet 20:16 - Jan 5 with 11223 views | epaul |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:16 - Jan 5 with 2305 views | Swanseajill |
Curt is doing what the board have asked him to do, simply because he will give his all ...while doing a tempory job for the club he loves.
Unlike a new manager that is brought in say tomorrow...Curt knows our players inside out, and currently we have not a moment to waste on, for instance a manager getting to know the squad. Settling into a new home/ city, settling in a family, sorting out a contract etc.
Curt won't need to be wasting time on all that but he will be getting every ounce of effort from the squad...now. And now is when we need it.
Time for us to think outside our panic mode, and get a team with plenty of talent playing for Curt (
and they will) and not bring in a manager who possibly will take a while to get the players playing
better than they have been doing.
I have no idea regarding the finances available. But let's not jump from the frying pan into the fire. I can remember we've done that in the past. I'm confident if anyone can do it while we're in this situation currently, then he can.
Many will disagree with me, but Thats fine by me. [Post edited 5 Jan 2016 23:18]
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:22 - Jan 5 with 2280 views | monmouth |
The next two league games will probably decide the short term strategy. Once again I think the chips are already on the table. |  |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:35 - Jan 5 with 2203 views | raynor94 |
The fat lady is clearing her voice before the next two games, I hope Huw knows what he is doing |  |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:38 - Jan 5 with 2187 views | morningstar |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:16 - Jan 5 by Swanseajill |
Curt is doing what the board have asked him to do, simply because he will give his all ...while doing a tempory job for the club he loves.
Unlike a new manager that is brought in say tomorrow...Curt knows our players inside out, and currently we have not a moment to waste on, for instance a manager getting to know the squad. Settling into a new home/ city, settling in a family, sorting out a contract etc.
Curt won't need to be wasting time on all that but he will be getting every ounce of effort from the squad...now. And now is when we need it.
Time for us to think outside our panic mode, and get a team with plenty of talent playing for Curt (
and they will) and not bring in a manager who possibly will take a while to get the players playing
better than they have been doing.
I have no idea regarding the finances available. But let's not jump from the frying pan into the fire. I can remember we've done that in the past. I'm confident if anyone can do it while we're in this situation currently, then he can.
Many will disagree with me, but Thats fine by me. [Post edited 5 Jan 2016 23:18]
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Great post Lor, Love you to bits you know that, but if Alan (melt down Ivors statues and change it too curt) Curtis, is going to be our manager until the end of the season, then we are going down. No fault of the boards or anyone else, just at the end of the day the financial's have caught up with us, and it's as simple as that. There is no way on this earth, that Alan can keep us in the premier league, and those who think he can are way underestimating the position we are in. x |  |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:41 - Jan 5 with 2167 views | Swanseajill |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:35 - Jan 5 by raynor94 |
The fat lady is clearing her voice before the next two games, I hope Huw knows what he is doing |
Probably handed over the music to Bohemian Rapsody ( the full version)
The singing should last as long as possible.  | | | |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:46 - Jan 5 with 2131 views | trampie |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:38 - Jan 5 by morningstar |
Great post Lor, Love you to bits you know that, but if Alan (melt down Ivors statues and change it too curt) Curtis, is going to be our manager until the end of the season, then we are going down. No fault of the boards or anyone else, just at the end of the day the financial's have caught up with us, and it's as simple as that. There is no way on this earth, that Alan can keep us in the premier league, and those who think he can are way underestimating the position we are in. x |
Are you saying that we will go down with Curt but not with another manager ?
If so why do you think that ? |  |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:50 - Jan 5 with 2127 views | perchrockjack |
If true, it's truly incredible as it seems either nobody wants to come to us or the candidates aren't good enough.
It's also the case we be sacked three and there is going to be huge strain on curt.
Frankly,it stinks and it seems the board have either given up, run outbox ideas or seemingly believe nothing needs to be done.
This would be a bigger debacle than the eighties.
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:57 - Jan 5 with 2102 views | Swanseajill |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:38 - Jan 5 by morningstar |
Great post Lor, Love you to bits you know that, but if Alan (melt down Ivors statues and change it too curt) Curtis, is going to be our manager until the end of the season, then we are going down. No fault of the boards or anyone else, just at the end of the day the financial's have caught up with us, and it's as simple as that. There is no way on this earth, that Alan can keep us in the premier league, and those who think he can are way underestimating the position we are in. x |
Gar, the alternate possibilities have no guarantees either. And as I've said in previous posts ...the devil we know is better than the devil we don't.
I'm all for getting the right manager in, and hope he stays long enough to get his washing back ironed and tidy from the local laundry.
But, he has to be the right guy for the job, not anyone that's available to placate the fans ....until he has a few bum games.That would be the pits once again.
Curtis done ok in the games since Garry left, each game an improvement. We need to give him the encouragement he deserves at this moment in time...all of us. What we see is what we have, and until we get a permanent manager, let's show him a bit of faith until he back walking his dog on the beach again. | | | |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 00:02 - Jan 6 with 2076 views | trampie |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:57 - Jan 5 by Swanseajill |
Gar, the alternate possibilities have no guarantees either. And as I've said in previous posts ...the devil we know is better than the devil we don't.
I'm all for getting the right manager in, and hope he stays long enough to get his washing back ironed and tidy from the local laundry.
But, he has to be the right guy for the job, not anyone that's available to placate the fans ....until he has a few bum games.That would be the pits once again.
Curtis done ok in the games since Garry left, each game an improvement. We need to give him the encouragement he deserves at this moment in time...all of us. What we see is what we have, and until we get a permanent manager, let's show him a bit of faith until he back walking his dog on the beach again. |
Good post Swanseajill or Lor as a lot of posters call you.  | |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 07:49 - Jan 6 with 1947 views | AngelRangelQS |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 22:34 - Jan 5 by Al_Bundy |
Well you've misquoted me there.. I was saying and responding if Curtis ticks HJ's boxes what is HJ waiting for to appoint Curt. I personally I think this would be a wrong move ! |
I'm not sure how I've misquoted you...
My opinion is that Curtis ticks very few of Huw's boxes yet he's in the job at the moment and we are doing okay under him. Probably better than expected.
Maybe Huw thinks that with a couple of additional players to boost us, we have a good chance of staying up this season under Curtis. Like everyone else though, he knows it is risky.
I think we have someone lined up if the sh*t hits the fan who we'd be able to bring in immediately but who we have reservations about long term/next season. Therefore if we can get away with not appointing them then we won't. If we have to then we will.
If the above is true, they are not going to announce to everyone that Curtis has it as it will involve needlessly humiliating him in public. I know curt will be happy to revert back to his old role but I don't think it's appropriate to one minute come out and say that he's the right man only for them to change their minds a few weeks down the line.
I don't think for one minute the board see Curtis as being the best man to keep them up. I think they see him as the best (and possibly only person willing) to keep the seat warm until the summer.
Not that I massively agree with it or don't think it's a huge gamble |  | | |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 08:45 - Jan 6 with 1841 views | Pegojack |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 21:33 - Jan 5 by AngelRangelQS |
This manager business is a red herring as far as I'm concerned.
The most important thing is that we add some players in January. Manager position can be reassessed then. I wouldn't expect some big announcement about curtis. The official line will be that we are actively looking |
I agree. I don't believe bringing in a new manager at this stage will automatically be the answer to all our problems. I think Curtis has as much chance as anyone of saving our Premiership status.
The FAR more pressing problem is the playing squad. If we can get rid of Go-Miss and Shelvey for big bucks, and bring in a decent striker, that will give us the best chance of survival in my humble opinion. It's all about what we do in the transfer market in the next four weeks, and preferably as soon as possible. Over to you, Huw. |  | | |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 08:59 - Jan 6 with 1807 views | Jackanapes |
Curtis has indeed overseen but one win. Thats one win more than Monk managed in several months. |  |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 09:04 - Jan 6 with 1789 views | max936 |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 08:45 - Jan 6 by Pegojack |
I agree. I don't believe bringing in a new manager at this stage will automatically be the answer to all our problems. I think Curtis has as much chance as anyone of saving our Premiership status.
The FAR more pressing problem is the playing squad. If we can get rid of Go-Miss and Shelvey for big bucks, and bring in a decent striker, that will give us the best chance of survival in my humble opinion. It's all about what we do in the transfer market in the next four weeks, and preferably as soon as possible. Over to you, Huw. |
After watching Liverpool Firmino and Benteke last night and for the money they cost Gomis is a bargain, Benteke's work rate is awful and he's a big powder puff on his latest showings, Firmino can't shoot and can't pass water, flaming awful. [Post edited 6 Jan 2016 18:38]
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 09:19 - Jan 6 with 1734 views | Starsky |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:57 - Jan 5 by Swanseajill |
Gar, the alternate possibilities have no guarantees either. And as I've said in previous posts ...the devil we know is better than the devil we don't.
I'm all for getting the right manager in, and hope he stays long enough to get his washing back ironed and tidy from the local laundry.
But, he has to be the right guy for the job, not anyone that's available to placate the fans ....until he has a few bum games.That would be the pits once again.
Curtis done ok in the games since Garry left, each game an improvement. We need to give him the encouragement he deserves at this moment in time...all of us. What we see is what we have, and until we get a permanent manager, let's show him a bit of faith until he back walking his dog on the beach again. |
Just to add to this...
If we'd had a new manager lined up as soon as Monk was sacked then I'd have said that the new manager would have had some time to make a quick assessment of our squad to bring in new players in January.
However, were already approaching the 2nd week of January and I think it would be too great a risk to bring a new manager in now, unless it was Brendan who could hit the ground running.
It's probably a lesser risk now for Curtis working with the senior members of the playing staff to get it together for them to lead us to survival.
Personally I'm on board with it and what a great opportunity for Curt to further enhance his legend status with our club by achieving survival. There is little pressure on Curt as it appears he has been nudged into this position.
Come on guys, there is enough experience with our core players and Curt to bring survival and to one of my favourite posters, Morning Star, seeing you write off Curtis you have on this thread is disappointing. He has every chance to succeed.
If we can get a striker this month and beat Sunderland, then hopefully the confidence will return to the team and we can move further away from the relegation zone.
Don't forget, we were 2 points behind 17th before Christmas. Progress has been made. |  |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 09:22 - Jan 6 with 1724 views | Jackanapes |
How many " we are already relegated" threads were there when Monk got the job till the end of the season? | |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 10:34 - Jan 6 with 1612 views | CopperJack |
Out of curiosity, what happened to all the people 'ITK' who claimed that Brendan Rodgers was returning? I am disappointed he's not to be honest. Clearly, there has been a sharp upturn in form since Curtis took charge, but we're trusting our survival to a manager who has very little top flight experience (does he even have badges?). At least Monk was working through his badges at the time he took charge. It's a big gamble.
My other concern, two years ago when we were in a similar position, Huw splashed out on the mighty David Ngog. Another signing of that stature would indicate he's planning for the championship. That season we were lucky in that we had an outstanding striker. We weren't a bad side, but in my opinion, were being managed badly by a manager who had lost interest. Now, I fear we don't have the quality to score the goals to keep us up, and a manager who, despite being Swansea through and through, might be out of his depth. | |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 11:12 - Jan 6 with 1574 views | waynekerr55 |
The players will have the incentive of a significant bonus for staying up... Shirley? |  |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 11:31 - Jan 6 with 1545 views | perchrockjack |
Its the impasse starksy that is unsettling. You have to have a special mindset of not concerned at the moment.
A new manager would have been able to bring in his own people as opposed to Curt seemingly to be doing the lot. He might as well feed the stadium cat.
Its also the case a manager of some stature would have been able to attract new and better players and dump our dross whence they came.
We ALL want us to survive and if people are worried ,then this place is appropriate for airing such concerns..
Sadly, we just turn on each other and some see themselves as more loyal, supportive and better; which they re not | |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 12:33 - Jan 6 with 1498 views | Dewi1jack |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 23:57 - Jan 5 by Swanseajill |
Gar, the alternate possibilities have no guarantees either. And as I've said in previous posts ...the devil we know is better than the devil we don't.
I'm all for getting the right manager in, and hope he stays long enough to get his washing back ironed and tidy from the local laundry.
But, he has to be the right guy for the job, not anyone that's available to placate the fans ....until he has a few bum games.That would be the pits once again.
Curtis done ok in the games since Garry left, each game an improvement. We need to give him the encouragement he deserves at this moment in time...all of us. What we see is what we have, and until we get a permanent manager, let's show him a bit of faith until he back walking his dog on the beach again. |
Another excellent post.
If we're getting that French bloke Alain çurtês in for the season (just to placate those who don't want Alan Curtis, as he's not a big enough name/ draw for players etc) then the club needs to get some decent coaches in.
This is what many of us advocated when saying keep GM and lose the back room staff he had. Appears to have been a multiple clusterf**k going on.
We have good players who've turned into total crap overnight. Doubtful they all went duff that quickly.
We certainly have some with egos too big for the standard they're at.
We certainly have enough of a talented squad to ensure survival, if they want it that is.
Club needs to back Curt to the hilt. Couple of players, preferably above the standard of Ngog, Vasquez,Schecter etc, good coaching staff and Curt can retire an absolute hero, after ensuring another season in the PL.
The majority of us right thinking fans will not change their mind about Curt and his time with the club, even if he presides over a relegation. He will still be a club legend to us all.
A real (probably very vocal) minority will see him as a club failure if the worst occurs. These people require pity and just need their meds adjusting until the correct dose is found again  |  |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 12:44 - Jan 6 with 1458 views | max936 |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 12:33 - Jan 6 by Dewi1jack |
Another excellent post.
If we're getting that French bloke Alain çurtês in for the season (just to placate those who don't want Alan Curtis, as he's not a big enough name/ draw for players etc) then the club needs to get some decent coaches in.
This is what many of us advocated when saying keep GM and lose the back room staff he had. Appears to have been a multiple clusterf**k going on.
We have good players who've turned into total crap overnight. Doubtful they all went duff that quickly.
We certainly have some with egos too big for the standard they're at.
We certainly have enough of a talented squad to ensure survival, if they want it that is.
Club needs to back Curt to the hilt. Couple of players, preferably above the standard of Ngog, Vasquez,Schecter etc, good coaching staff and Curt can retire an absolute hero, after ensuring another season in the PL.
The majority of us right thinking fans will not change their mind about Curt and his time with the club, even if he presides over a relegation. He will still be a club legend to us all.
A real (probably very vocal) minority will see him as a club failure if the worst occurs. These people require pity and just need their meds adjusting until the correct dose is found again |
l just can't believe that some people will see Curt as a failure if the dreaded happened, if they do they'd have very short memory's or be newbies who know/seen nothing else from us except seeing us in the Premier league. | |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 13:05 - Jan 6 with 1414 views | Dewi1jack |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 12:44 - Jan 6 by max936 |
l just can't believe that some people will see Curt as a failure if the dreaded happened, if they do they'd have very short memory's or be newbies who know/seen nothing else from us except seeing us in the Premier league. |
Always believe in
Faeries
Santa
Elves
The honesty and integrity of players like Costa, Suarez, Fellaini etc
Decent politicians
And the odd person (very odd in more sense than one) who would class Curt as a useless failure.
Ok.
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 13:09 - Jan 6 with 1408 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 12:33 - Jan 6 by Dewi1jack |
Another excellent post.
If we're getting that French bloke Alain çurtês in for the season (just to placate those who don't want Alan Curtis, as he's not a big enough name/ draw for players etc) then the club needs to get some decent coaches in.
This is what many of us advocated when saying keep GM and lose the back room staff he had. Appears to have been a multiple clusterf**k going on.
We have good players who've turned into total crap overnight. Doubtful they all went duff that quickly.
We certainly have some with egos too big for the standard they're at.
We certainly have enough of a talented squad to ensure survival, if they want it that is.
Club needs to back Curt to the hilt. Couple of players, preferably above the standard of Ngog, Vasquez,Schecter etc, good coaching staff and Curt can retire an absolute hero, after ensuring another season in the PL.
The majority of us right thinking fans will not change their mind about Curt and his time with the club, even if he presides over a relegation. He will still be a club legend to us all.
A real (probably very vocal) minority will see him as a club failure if the worst occurs. These people require pity and just need their meds adjusting until the correct dose is found again |
I don't think anyone who's supported the club for more than five minutes will blame Curt.
He's a club legend and always will be. He even got forgiven (along with Robbie) for playing for Cardiff. If you can get away with that you are a very special man indeed. |  |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 14:49 - Jan 6 with 1337 views | Starsky |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 11:31 - Jan 6 by perchrockjack |
Its the impasse starksy that is unsettling. You have to have a special mindset of not concerned at the moment.
A new manager would have been able to bring in his own people as opposed to Curt seemingly to be doing the lot. He might as well feed the stadium cat.
Its also the case a manager of some stature would have been able to attract new and better players and dump our dross whence they came.
We ALL want us to survive and if people are worried ,then this place is appropriate for airing such concerns..
Sadly, we just turn on each other and some see themselves as more loyal, supportive and better; which they re not |
Thoughtful reply there Rich.
It's not that I'm unconcerned. I'm looking at the situation positively.
It's what I am in life/career. If Im not then I don't function as well.
We're not marooned in the danger zone. We have enough quality, with a couple of January signings, to put a bit of distance between us and 18th spot, starting with the upcoming Sunderland game.
If we don't beat or we lose to Sunderland then we deserve everything that comes to us.
I really think it's too late in the season to bring someone else in now.
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 16:08 - Jan 6 with 1273 views | sully49 |
It's difficult situation for Alan and i'm sure he will continue to "manage" us, even though privately he wishes it all gets sorted asap. I think I remember that HJ gave an interview following GM's appointment that continuity is priority of playing "the Swansea Way".
Even now that we have become more gritty than pretty he see's, especially now, that it is crucial we have a safe pair of hands in our fight for PL status.
I've read some brilliant opinions on this thread for and against and I believe that at this moment in time, I would keep AC, either until the end if the season, or until we are safe from relegation. The team will rally behind him I'm sure, and we will have to rely on HJ in the transfer stakes. My only caveat is with that hopefully HJ will put aside his search for a new boss and concentrate wholly on the teams needs 100% |  |
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| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 16:14 - Jan 6 with 1251 views | hammy |
| Jim White Sky Sports Tweet on 08:59 - Jan 6 by Jackanapes |
Curtis has indeed overseen but one win. Thats one win more than Monk managed in several months. |
Given that football is totally results based and very measurable, then Curt is just about keeping his head (and the club) above water at the moment, with 5 points in 5 games. If we keep this up to end of season then we will end up with 37 points (which is usually enough to stay up in recent seasons; Hull went down with 35 points in 18th place last year).
If we start to drift off this absolute minimum target then a significant change(s) will need to be made. The board must have reviewed and / or interviewed all available suitable managers on the market at the moment and should be able to push through a change of manager. There would also be approx. 2 weeks of the transfer window remaining after the Watford home game, so would give us time to pick up any additional players.
Going to be very interesting to see how January goes and how much we gamble on maintaining the current status quo against making changes. At least it's more interesting than mid table mediocrity ! |  |
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