| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:38 - Sep 30 with 2303 views | daveB |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 11:35 - Sep 30 by JonDoeman |
Still talking consolidation ! Ramsey is getting a free pass. Took us down with a whimper, & now 4 th bottom up is the target? Surprised the owners are standing for this shit! |
consolidation doesn't mean 4th bottom, think they will be expecting top 10 |  | |  |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:39 - Sep 30 with 2299 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:05 - Sep 30 by Northernr |
Haven't those players cost about 400m in 18 months? |
Off-topic but I'm just having a quick shudder at the thought of what would have happened if either of our last two managers were given £400m to spend |  | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:43 - Sep 30 with 2296 views | daveB |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 11:58 - Sep 30 by stevec |
What is this new philosophy that Les talks of? I'm totally baffled. |
Trying to bridge the gap between the under 21's and first team so players can break through which they have done with Doughty and a few others this season.
Looking to sign players on the way up with something to prove as they have done with Chery, Luonga and Gladwin.
Obviously also need experienced players which is why they signed Tozer, Konchesky and Perch as well.
it's actually all set out on the offical web site what they are trying to do but not a hope in hell that QPR fans have the patience required for it, said that when everyone was screaming for a change to this philosophy last season.
We'll soon be back to the short term vision everyone seems to love soon enough | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:44 - Sep 30 with 2293 views | daveB |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:01 - Sep 30 by bob566 |
don't want to jump on the mans back but man utd took on a s*** load of new players and are top of the league. |
They did spend nearly 300 million on them and are still looking crap most weeks | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:45 - Sep 30 with 2284 views | essextaxiboy |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:43 - Sep 30 by daveB |
Trying to bridge the gap between the under 21's and first team so players can break through which they have done with Doughty and a few others this season.
Looking to sign players on the way up with something to prove as they have done with Chery, Luonga and Gladwin.
Obviously also need experienced players which is why they signed Tozer, Konchesky and Perch as well.
it's actually all set out on the offical web site what they are trying to do but not a hope in hell that QPR fans have the patience required for it, said that when everyone was screaming for a change to this philosophy last season.
We'll soon be back to the short term vision everyone seems to love soon enough |
Thanks Dave , Was just going to post that . |  | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:46 - Sep 30 with 2282 views | CiderwithRsie |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 11:34 - Sep 30 by jamois |
I'm not particularly impressed. He has said exactly what he should say and what he is paid to say. Any person in his role will always be bargaining for more time and that is what he is doing. Yet all this bedding in of new faces - we seem to play the same team every week with few changes, especially off the bench. And then this learning about the new philosophy - well any philosophy is new to a bunch of new players, it's a moot point. It's all very well talking about consolidating and dampening expectations but it seems almost negligent in his position to be missing the point. And that point is that there is no evidence to suggest we are moving in the right direction, regardless of Charlie and Matty. And that insights CAN be reached after 6 months of watching his manager coach and manage and conceding 2 goals per game. |
Fair points, but "He has said exactly what he should say and what he is paid to say" is actually progress compared to the stuff we had from Redknapp or indeed Fernandes.
And precisely because Ferdinand has produced a textbook bromide, as he should, we cannot tell what conclusions he's drawn about Ramsey so far nor, crucially, what he's going to do about it. I'd like to think his thinking is close to NW10's post above, but I'd be pretty unimpressed if he said so publicly. | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:48 - Sep 30 with 2272 views | essextaxiboy |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:01 - Sep 30 by bob566 |
don't want to jump on the mans back but man utd took on a s*** load of new players and are top of the league. |
Are you honestly comparing our signings with Manchester Utds ?
Where are the three new faces that came from 2 leagues below them ? | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:50 - Sep 30 with 2260 views | essextaxiboy |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 11:35 - Sep 30 by JonDoeman |
Still talking consolidation ! Ramsey is getting a free pass. Took us down with a whimper, & now 4 th bottom up is the target? Surprised the owners are standing for this shit! |
If he hadnt been"caretaker" manager when we went down , would you be as critical of him now after the start we have made and our league position now ?
Honest question | | | |
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| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:53 - Sep 30 with 2250 views | Pablo_Hoopsta |
Nothing particularly surprising here.
I didnt want Ramsey as Manager, I dont think he is the right man and I dont think he will be a success, but Im hoping to be proven wrong.
We wanted stability so now its either have some, and live with the consequences, or fire him and get another (and live with the consequences).
My glass is definitely half empty, I just dont want to get relegated, so on that basis, for now, he can stay. |  | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:54 - Sep 30 with 2242 views | TacticalR |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:39 - Sep 30 by CiderwithRsie |
Off-topic but I'm just having a quick shudder at the thought of what would have happened if either of our last two managers were given £400m to spend |
They would have blown the money on a combination of injured players, head cases, discarded Manchester City youth team players (Hughes), Tottenham Old Boys (Redknapp), topped off with Defoe and Adebayor up front. It's all laid out in Mike Rigg's one hundred-year plan. |  |
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| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:57 - Sep 30 with 2234 views | Pablo_Hoopsta |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:50 - Sep 30 by essextaxiboy |
If he hadnt been"caretaker" manager when we went down , would you be as critical of him now after the start we have made and our league position now ?
Honest question |
I wouldnt be, id be inclined to say he is new to the team and the players and 3 x 3 x 3 isnt a bad stab at it in a tough division when momentum is downwards, and he should be given a go.
Outcome would be the same, but thought process would be different for sure. | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 14:11 - Sep 30 with 2198 views | JonDoeman |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:50 - Sep 30 by essextaxiboy |
If he hadnt been"caretaker" manager when we went down , would you be as critical of him now after the start we have made and our league position now ?
Honest question |
Honest answer is I wouldn't be as critical of him if I didn't think his appointment was highly dodgy, & the club had searched a bit further for the man to lead us into this new era, than the next office to Les, whose judgement has to be questioned, he was all over the press talking Rooney rule in March, & in May he gives Ramsey a 3 yr contract on the back of that audition. Now I don't care what colour he is, I just think we could have got someone better for last season & this . Don't you? |  |
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| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 14:15 - Sep 30 with 2190 views | daveB |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 14:11 - Sep 30 by JonDoeman |
Honest answer is I wouldn't be as critical of him if I didn't think his appointment was highly dodgy, & the club had searched a bit further for the man to lead us into this new era, than the next office to Les, whose judgement has to be questioned, he was all over the press talking Rooney rule in March, & in May he gives Ramsey a 3 yr contract on the back of that audition. Now I don't care what colour he is, I just think we could have got someone better for last season & this . Don't you? |
They did try to get Paul Clement but he didn't want to know | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 14:24 - Sep 30 with 2172 views | bosh67 |
Much as I love Les we can only gel if we have a clear style of play. We don't. |  |
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| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 14:39 - Sep 30 with 2149 views | essextaxiboy |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 14:11 - Sep 30 by JonDoeman |
Honest answer is I wouldn't be as critical of him if I didn't think his appointment was highly dodgy, & the club had searched a bit further for the man to lead us into this new era, than the next office to Les, whose judgement has to be questioned, he was all over the press talking Rooney rule in March, & in May he gives Ramsey a 3 yr contract on the back of that audition. Now I don't care what colour he is, I just think we could have got someone better for last season & this . Don't you? |
The reason for my position is this .
I put the first relegation down to Hughes and the toxic dressing room and the last one down to Redknapp who took the cowards way out quitting with the last transfer window shut .
Ramsey and Ferdinand were put in place IMO in advance of Sherwood arriving , when he wanted too much (because he thought he was a shoe in ) I was happy that Ramsey took it on on . Who was we going to get with multi milion pound fines and conference football being talked about? I didnt expect too much , but I was surprised at how he seemed to be respected by the youth (who he gave chances to ) and the seasoned pros.Clement wouldnt take a chance on us , maybe no one else of note would .
So h e gets a clean sheet this season for me , he is in a league where he could reasonably be expected to succeed and its peaks and troughs (Fridays nights trough was hard to take) .
Since you mention colour , I have been taken aback a bit by the vitriol and abuse that I have heard Ramsey take from fans in the ground this season, it seems disproprtionate to the situation I STRESS NOT ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD .
It occurred to me that some people might see him in a different way to me for another reason and enjoyed a free shot with no comebacks .I WOULD STRESS AGAIN , NOT ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD .
I asked my youngest boy whos 20 on the way to the Forest game whether he felt it and he said no so maybe I am wrong.Its Just a personal view .
No manager has a divine right to keep his job no matter what , but i think 9 games in , not even October , 3 pts off the top 6 , talk of a sacking is harsh | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 14:39 - Sep 30 with 1862 views | Dando |
Ramsay talks a good game, yet im still yet to see anything of it on the pitch except in glimpses. You could excuse him for inheriting a poor squad last year (even though I think he could have done better), but even then some of his choices were shocking. Henry on the wing says it all for me, that should immediately show that something is clearly wrong.
Then to go down, solid bottom and still get the job? Maybe I sound harsh as he inherited a shambolic side, but we ended up rock bottom and some shocking tactics and decisions were displayed. Could he really have done any worse, and still got the job?! Baffling!
This year we have only played good football in small glimpses, and whether or not there is a high turnover of players, there is no excuse for letting in a ridiculous amount of goals when you have that amount of experienced players on the field. When games are not going our way, tactics have not changed. Ramsay needs to stop blaming players for not sticking to his "game plan". Maybe his so called "game plan" isnt working!
Tired of having a nice guy in charge, who talks a good game. Time to get in someone who the players fear and respect | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 14:47 - Sep 30 with 1843 views | bob566 |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:48 - Sep 30 by essextaxiboy |
Are you honestly comparing our signings with Manchester Utds ?
Where are the three new faces that came from 2 leagues below them ? |
off course not. Probably a bad example but you could say west ham have bought a load of players and are doing well. Ipswich have bought tons of players in the last two years and are doing well. I don't buy into this gelling as a team.
Well here's one. David Moyes bought a lot of players when at man utd. | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 14:49 - Sep 30 with 1835 views | NW10Hoop |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 13:38 - Sep 30 by daveB |
consolidation doesn't mean 4th bottom, think they will be expecting top 10 |
probably naive on my part. But that squad should (and most likely will) cruise to a top 10 finish regardless of who is managing. Top 10 can not be the target with a keeper that has broken back into the England squad, Charlie Austin, Matt Phillips, Sandro, Leroy Fer and a couple of players who seemed to play a key role in Watford's promotion.
That's like telling me I don't have to start work until lunchtime. [Post edited 30 Sep 2015 15:17]
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| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 15:01 - Sep 30 with 1811 views | fakekerby |
It's all great talking about long term and stability HOWEVER if the guy at the top (and by that I mean Ramsey) isn't up to the job then it doesn't matter how many years you give him things just aren't going to get any better.
If you want to create a stable club then you bring in an experienced manager who knows what he is doing. Like him or hate him but somebody like Sam Allardyce is who you want if you want a successful and stable club over a period of time. And yes I would take his style of play over NO style of play, which is what we are getting. | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 15:06 - Sep 30 with 1796 views | Mark1 |
I was there Friday and there didn't appear to be any game plan whatsoever and agree with the above post. With some of the players we have we should be doing a lot better than that performance.
Big Sam anyone ? | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 15:21 - Sep 30 with 1771 views | GetMeRangers |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 14:47 - Sep 30 by bob566 |
off course not. Probably a bad example but you could say west ham have bought a load of players and are doing well. Ipswich have bought tons of players in the last two years and are doing well. I don't buy into this gelling as a team.
Well here's one. David Moyes bought a lot of players when at man utd. |
Wherever you cite examples you are open to being pulled back down. Ipswich. The same team that got tanked at home 1-5 by the Fakes? West Ham... their second half of last season went ever so well
Part of me feels that the Fulham game was needed to bring home to the players etc that they are going to have to really dig in. The previous results could easily be regarded, by them, as disappointing and teh team just carry on bumbling along with inconsistent performances. The mark of CR and the players is how they respond to Friday, and from then onwards. This will be more like the team we might have expected to be left with after the transfer window with Chaz out for four weeks
It might be a painful experience, but I am intrigued to see the next four games |  | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 15:25 - Sep 30 with 1766 views | Northernr |
I'm not sure I buy this "sam allardyce is who you want if you want a stable club over a period of time". Allardyce is a decent manager but his club's consistently die on their ars once he's left.
Now that could be because he's an all conquering beast of a manager and nobody can ever possibly be better than him however much you spend on a replacement, or it could be that he signs his players, his favourites, for his style to get him a result this Saturday to keep his team up and keep him in a job. That's exactly what we were doing before that we wanted to go away from isn't it? The need to completely rip it up and start all over again whenever we sack the manager?
Either way, as I said after Friday's debacle, are we ever going to come around to the idea that the manager might not be the (only) problem here? |  | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 15:27 - Sep 30 with 1758 views | GetMeRangers |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 15:25 - Sep 30 by Northernr |
I'm not sure I buy this "sam allardyce is who you want if you want a stable club over a period of time". Allardyce is a decent manager but his club's consistently die on their ars once he's left.
Now that could be because he's an all conquering beast of a manager and nobody can ever possibly be better than him however much you spend on a replacement, or it could be that he signs his players, his favourites, for his style to get him a result this Saturday to keep his team up and keep him in a job. That's exactly what we were doing before that we wanted to go away from isn't it? The need to completely rip it up and start all over again whenever we sack the manager?
Either way, as I said after Friday's debacle, are we ever going to come around to the idea that the manager might not be the (only) problem here? |
Which players do you feel dont want to be here?  | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 15:41 - Sep 30 with 1727 views | daveB |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 15:25 - Sep 30 by Northernr |
I'm not sure I buy this "sam allardyce is who you want if you want a stable club over a period of time". Allardyce is a decent manager but his club's consistently die on their ars once he's left.
Now that could be because he's an all conquering beast of a manager and nobody can ever possibly be better than him however much you spend on a replacement, or it could be that he signs his players, his favourites, for his style to get him a result this Saturday to keep his team up and keep him in a job. That's exactly what we were doing before that we wanted to go away from isn't it? The need to completely rip it up and start all over again whenever we sack the manager?
Either way, as I said after Friday's debacle, are we ever going to come around to the idea that the manager might not be the (only) problem here? |
Allardyce is no different to Redknapp, a very good manager in the right circumstances who will get short term results but expect a mess when he leaves unless he's been well managed from above. | | | |
| Ferdinand from West London Sport on 15:44 - Sep 30 with 1720 views | simmo |
Agree with the above, the next few games are massive. How we react on Saturday will show a lot about Ramsey and the players. |  |
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