| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt 13:50 - Mar 14 with 5780 views | libertine |
Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt by trying your hardest.
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:07 - Mar 14 with 862 views | controversial_jack |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 15:02 - Mar 14 by C_jack |
Because they have spent more time practising, especially during the crucial formative years where skill acquisition and fundamental movement is key.
Tiger Woods - best golfer ever arguably, out practising his swing every day from the age of 4
Andre Agassi, Williams sisters - Parents had them out every day from a young age practising relentlessly.
There are examples in every sport, especially from countries such as Russia and China where they select individuals as young as 3 for specialisation in sports such as gymnastics. They are world champions by the age of 14 and out of the sport by 16.
We are not born with a 'football gene', a 'tennis gene' or even an 'athletic gene'. The closest we come is that there is evidence to suggest that some ethnic groups, such as Jamaicans for example, are born with a greater natural amount of 'fast twitch' fibres than others. [Post edited 14 Mar 2014 15:03]
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I disagree, because practise doesn't make perfect, it makes permanent. The idea of hard work overcomes everything is not true. If you are practicing something and doing it wrong that fault will become permanent |  | | |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:07 - Mar 14 with 862 views | Shaky |
No doubt I am going to get quite a bit of flack for this but here is my story.
I was pretty good at schoolboy level but through an administrative cock-up plus my rapidly growing interest in nightclubs stopped playing at the age of 14.
I was a box to box central midfielder but also had a knack for a pass, and always knew the right spaces to put the ball where runners would appear. It was uncanny.
I then stopped playing for about 10 years and later got roped into playing for reasonable county side in Kent. By that time I already had a bit of a beer belly on me and was not fit, not did I really have any incentive to train properly but I still played a few seasons with some success.
However, when I started playing again I knew there was something missing completely unrelated to my fitness, and I still had a good touch. After a while it dawned on me that my instinctive understanding of where my teammates where and where they were running had vanished.
With hindsight I realised I had had a sort of sixth sense that had somehow lost during my break.
No doubt many will scoff at this, but has anybody ever heard of such a thing before? |  |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:09 - Mar 14 with 858 views | union_jack |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:07 - Mar 14 by Shaky |
No doubt I am going to get quite a bit of flack for this but here is my story.
I was pretty good at schoolboy level but through an administrative cock-up plus my rapidly growing interest in nightclubs stopped playing at the age of 14.
I was a box to box central midfielder but also had a knack for a pass, and always knew the right spaces to put the ball where runners would appear. It was uncanny.
I then stopped playing for about 10 years and later got roped into playing for reasonable county side in Kent. By that time I already had a bit of a beer belly on me and was not fit, not did I really have any incentive to train properly but I still played a few seasons with some success.
However, when I started playing again I knew there was something missing completely unrelated to my fitness, and I still had a good touch. After a while it dawned on me that my instinctive understanding of where my teammates where and where they were running had vanished.
With hindsight I realised I had had a sort of sixth sense that had somehow lost during my break.
No doubt many will scoff at this, but has anybody ever heard of such a thing before? |
You lost your power if spatial awareness. |  |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:10 - Mar 14 with 857 views | Drizzy |
There's certainly no "footballing gene" or any thing of the sort.
However genetics are what dictate your body type which dictate your ability in a particular sport. Bodybuilders are a good example of this although that's more of an aesthetic focus rather than functional. All of them are incredibly dedicated to what they do and train phenomenally hard however there are just certain people who are built better than others e.g. Arnold, Frank Zane etc. |  |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:12 - Mar 14 with 854 views | TheFranchise |
China does it as well as many former Soviet countries. |  | | |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:12 - Mar 14 with 854 views | Shaky |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:09 - Mar 14 by union_jack |
You lost your power if spatial awareness. |
I have never heard it described in those terms before, but that is exactly what happened! | |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:13 - Mar 14 with 853 views | Phaedrus |
I was offered terms by Man Utd but I turned them down to go and do missionary work in the Congo. |  |
| And what is good Phaedrus, and what is not good. Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:15 - Mar 14 with 846 views | TheFranchise |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:13 - Mar 14 by Phaedrus |
I was offered terms by Man Utd but I turned them down to go and do missionary work in the Congo. |
How was the Um Bongo there? | | | |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:16 - Mar 14 with 844 views | Shaky |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:13 - Mar 14 by Phaedrus |
I was offered terms by Man Utd but I turned them down to go and do missionary work in the Congo. |
My team won the unofficial Danish U14 championship, beating Laudrup's Brøndby side in the quarter or semi finals. | |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:17 - Mar 14 with 841 views | Phaedrus |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:16 - Mar 14 by Shaky |
My team won the unofficial Danish U14 championship, beating Laudrup's Brøndby side in the quarter or semi finals. |
And Im the Nolan sisters. | |
| And what is good Phaedrus, and what is not good. Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:19 - Mar 14 with 832 views | Shaky |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:17 - Mar 14 by Phaedrus |
And Im the Nolan sisters. |
Should have quit at the top like me, then. | |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learn on 17:20 - Mar 14 with 830 views | C_jack |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learn on 17:03 - Mar 14 by union_jack |
Ok, let's take Mozart as an example. Scoring music from the age of about 6.
Did his folks sit him down and make him work, work, work so that he could achieve that standard at such an early age. Well although I wasn't actually there I believe they did not.
So what was it? It's this thing called natural ability.
The same could be said for Messi, Federer, Phil Taylor and many others.
Or you could make the same argument for Nobel winners. If I had stuck at it and worked harder could I have achieved one. NO!
Or politicians. Could we all do what..............well maybe that defeats my argument a little so we'll leave that one there.
But seriously, some people have the necessary ability needed to get to the top, others don't. No amount of hard work or dedication will get them there. |
I know very little about Mozart, as does anyone really, but I do remember reading that he had symptoms of being on the autistic spectrum, which go something along the lines of obsession with repeated habits and movement. I'd hazard a strong guess that his early years and subconscious development was spent around music, and that through his repeated habits and he had developed fantastic dexterity in his fingers, enabling him to be as good as he was with musical instruments. I don't know, I think the book by Syed references Mozart better.
When 3 year old Messi saw his first football, do you think he went on a mazy dribble down the garden, it just came natural to him?? He fell flat on his face, like you and me.
When 3 year old Federer picks up a tennis racket, do you think he smashed a forehand down the line for the very first time? just came natural to him? He missed the ball completely, like you and me.
Phil Taylor and the first dart etc, you get the story..
We have to learn everything that we do, no voluntary action comes naturally, that is science. |  |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:22 - Mar 14 with 824 views | sidekick_jack |
Anyone who has played football at a young age or trained a kids team will see quite clearly that there are certain people with a natural ability for things. Ever had that mate who is good at everything?
A friend of mine plays football every Saturday. His diet is awful, he doesn't excercise much and he trains sporadically. But you put him up front and he'll run rings around the opposition and score consistently. That's natural ability. [Post edited 14 Mar 2014 17:23]
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:27 - Mar 14 with 808 views | C_jack |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:07 - Mar 14 by controversial_jack |
I disagree, because practise doesn't make perfect, it makes permanent. The idea of hard work overcomes everything is not true. If you are practicing something and doing it wrong that fault will become permanent |
It doesn't make perfect, I agree, skill is subject to most external stimuli and factors such as confidence and pressure. Hence the explanation as to why a lot crumble under the pressure, mental and external stimuli over ride their true ability. The skill doesn't disappear.
There's nothing natural in that though either, we all develop our own ability as to how we deal with that. | |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:28 - Mar 14 with 808 views | ApeShit |
C Jack give it a rest you are having a mare here mate! |  | | |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learn on 17:39 - Mar 14 with 787 views | union_jack |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learn on 17:20 - Mar 14 by C_jack |
I know very little about Mozart, as does anyone really, but I do remember reading that he had symptoms of being on the autistic spectrum, which go something along the lines of obsession with repeated habits and movement. I'd hazard a strong guess that his early years and subconscious development was spent around music, and that through his repeated habits and he had developed fantastic dexterity in his fingers, enabling him to be as good as he was with musical instruments. I don't know, I think the book by Syed references Mozart better.
When 3 year old Messi saw his first football, do you think he went on a mazy dribble down the garden, it just came natural to him?? He fell flat on his face, like you and me.
When 3 year old Federer picks up a tennis racket, do you think he smashed a forehand down the line for the very first time? just came natural to him? He missed the ball completely, like you and me.
Phil Taylor and the first dart etc, you get the story..
We have to learn everything that we do, no voluntary action comes naturally, that is science. |
You seem to be confusing the argument of being born with ability with being born with the skills already in place. Of course Federer couldn't have turned up at Wimbledon at 6 and won the tournament. But, again, he had the innate skills to get himself into that position when he developed.
Not everyone could do that regardless of the amount of practice or opportunity. And I respect your professional qualifications but I repeat, no debate. Sorry. | |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:43 - Mar 14 with 778 views | libertine |
So what about footballing/athletic families where players of different generations of the same family thrive in the same sport is this just down to wanting to be like uncle Barry or Billie are these just coincidences or is the gene of wanting to succeed accompanied with the gene of also being good at the game. | | | |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:44 - Mar 14 with 777 views | C_jack |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:22 - Mar 14 by sidekick_jack |
Anyone who has played football at a young age or trained a kids team will see quite clearly that there are certain people with a natural ability for things. Ever had that mate who is good at everything?
A friend of mine plays football every Saturday. His diet is awful, he doesn't excercise much and he trains sporadically. But you put him up front and he'll run rings around the opposition and score consistently. That's natural ability. [Post edited 14 Mar 2014 17:23]
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I guarantee, that when he was around the age of 4 or 5, he was out, running, jumping, throwing etc All of what what we call fundamental movement skills, of which contribute to our motor development and what is known as 'physical literacy'
After all, that is what sports such as Football are, a collection of refined gross motor skills, such as running, kicking and coordination.
I'll stop now, I've got to try and think how I'm going to tell all my associates on Monday that they're having a mare. Plus I need to tell my group of youngsters that I can't coach them to be better players, it'll all come naturally. | |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:46 - Mar 14 with 773 views | Phaedrus |
At the risk of pointing out the obvious, no one can even walk when they are born so Id surprised if anyone was born with footballing skills. People learn to walk. People learn to write. They don't just happen. Ones ability to learn is a limiting factor(One of many). | |
| And what is good Phaedrus, and what is not good. Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:48 - Mar 14 with 766 views | karnataka |
My opinion is that, while all babies are born more or less physically inept, their brains are not all the same and we all have various innate aptitudes some of which are the result of heredity and some are just chance. In other words, our brains are wired differently and somewhere in the cerebral cortex may or may not lie a configuration that could, if activated and correctly nurtured, become the creation of genius but more likely just excellence or adequacy. What we call natural talent is one or more of these innate aptitudes and it is these that separate the truly talented or gifted from those who are able to achieve an extremely high level of competence though learning, practice and hard work. That's what I think anyway but it could all be bollocks of course. |  | | |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:56 - Mar 14 with 756 views | TheFranchise |
There are so many contributing factors that there really isn't a black or white answer. Genetics, environment, desire to be the best, support structure, natural technical and mental ability all contribute.
It's very difficult to make like for like comparisons between "Player A" and "Player B" because no 2 individuals in the world will match on the contributing factors.
Messi had very little structured coaching until he was picked up and Ronaldo had loads. One is an artist and one is the end product of a very specified coaching program. Is one better than the other? No. If you swapped the development systems of both would they have been the same? Maybe not.
Is it nature or nurture? Or is it everything in between? | | | |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:59 - Mar 14 with 747 views | TheFranchise |
Never underestimate the physiological make up of elite athletes. You can have the best genetics, technical ability and have the benefit of the best coaching setup but if the person isn't "wired" to be the best, then they never will be. | | | |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 18:25 - Mar 14 with 733 views | waynekerr55 |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 17:59 - Mar 14 by TheFranchise |
Never underestimate the physiological make up of elite athletes. You can have the best genetics, technical ability and have the benefit of the best coaching setup but if the person isn't "wired" to be the best, then they never will be. |
Hence why "brain training" and exposure to a range of realistic situations is key in any coaching programme.
Does my f*cking head in seeing academy players being coached in unopposed drills for 50 - 75% of the session. "O, it's looks good and the coach is talking and they aren't making mistakes so it must be good". The same people are then left scratching their heads as to why little Eugene is struggling in games
DISCLAIMER - Dave although I've never met you that post wasn't aimed at you, I know you are in the breed of coaches who get learning  |  |
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 18:33 - Mar 14 with 727 views | Oldjack |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 14:43 - Mar 14 by C_jack |
Genetics has nothing to do with it, the idea of 'natural talent' is a myth. What separates us all is the hours of purposeful practice.
I refer you to the book 'Bounce' by Matthew Syed, which focuses on this topic. |
some people are born gifted in their own right ,it's just finding what they're best at, they outshine at a very tender age before going onto greatness ,so no it's not a myth, just ask Pele ,Ronnie O'Sullivan etc it's what was meant to be of that there is no doubt |  |
| Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact
You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!
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| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 18:46 - Mar 14 with 709 views | max936 |
| Are just born with great footballing skills it or can it be learnt on 18:33 - Mar 14 by Oldjack |
some people are born gifted in their own right ,it's just finding what they're best at, they outshine at a very tender age before going onto greatness ,so no it's not a myth, just ask Pele ,Ronnie O'Sullivan etc it's what was meant to be of that there is no doubt |
Spot on mushtaq |  |
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