| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot 00:06 - Feb 23 with 17221 views | Al_Bundy |
Anybody know if this camera is live? I was driving past it after the Napoli match and it flashed just at the end of the white lines on the road. Not sure if it was me or another car behind me who triggered it. Does the camera have to flash twice and how far apart are the pics taken? |  | | |  |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:00 - Mar 4 with 1790 views | dgt73 |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:09 - Mar 3 by dgt73 |
I think you are wrong on that one. They have 14 days to process the fixed penalty or notice of prosecution, and you may receive that letter after the 14 days has passed. |
And this is what I said last night, which is 100% correct. |  |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:02 - Mar 4 with 1782 views | exiledclaseboy |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:00 - Mar 4 by dgt73 |
And this is what I said last night, which is 100% correct. |
Except that its not. |  |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:08 - Mar 4 with 1776 views | dgt73 |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 20:58 - Mar 4 by exiledclaseboy |
Still not getting it. As I said earlier, if you get a letter post marked with a date six weeks after the offence they're doing you for then they can't claim it was posted within the required 14 days, can they? |
I never said that did i. They have 14 days to process so of course the date has to be within the 14 days of the offence. The point I made was you can still receive that letter weeks or even months later and still be done (which you said was wrong) because that fixed penalty notice was processed within the 14 days. | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:11 - Mar 4 with 1771 views | dgt73 |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:02 - Mar 4 by exiledclaseboy |
Except that its not. |
You keep reading off the internet it seems where you get all you're information from.  | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:17 - Mar 4 with 1760 views | exiledclaseboy |
OK, you win. I surrender. You've sussed me, the police and the actual law all out. Well done. | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:20 - Mar 4 with 1755 views | dgt73 |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:17 - Mar 4 by exiledclaseboy |
OK, you win. I surrender. You've sussed me, the police and the actual law all out. Well done. |
You are thick as dog sh*te fair play.  | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 21:24 - Mar 4 with 1747 views | jack_lord |
DGT obviously has no clue what your job entails. |  |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 22:00 - Mar 4 with 1723 views | Tokijo |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 14:34 - Mar 4 by Lohengrin |
If its the camera I think you all mean then it ought to be removed as it's bloody dangerous. Everybody on that stretch is driving along at 70 then they have to slam on to go under 50 for a hundred meters before speeding up again. It's daft. |
You shouldn't be speeding at 70mph. We motorists are lucky there are no safe locations for the Go Safe vans to park up and start generating more revenue along this stretch of motorway. | | | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 22:15 - Mar 4 with 1715 views | Al_Bundy |
Well.. i'm none the wiser from the posts on here. My hopes lie with ECB's view which has a closure point which is 14 days. DGT's point is if this is processed within 14 days they can at any point after that communicate and fine me indefinitely. | | | |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 11:28 - Mar 5 with 1660 views | SCB1985 |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 22:15 - Mar 4 by Al_Bundy |
Well.. i'm none the wiser from the posts on here. My hopes lie with ECB's view which has a closure point which is 14 days. DGT's point is if this is processed within 14 days they can at any point after that communicate and fine me indefinitely. |
i got caught before in a leased vehicle. my first contact was of citroen leasing, then a week later i had the letter for the speeding fine.
i regards to the 2 week 'rule' its the date of offence and date the letter gets printed that you need to look at, if it more than 2 weeks its ok.
apparently if you send them a cheque when paying the fine and send them a quid too much, they cant close the case. they have a quid of yours they will send you a cheque for the amount owed to you. they still cant close the case till you cash that quid.
Not that i am recomending it, just saying what i heard. | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 11:43 - Mar 5 with 1654 views | Swanzay |
To try and clear this up, processed and sent within 14 days. That does not have any bearing on when it goes through the individuals letter box.
Its legal as long as they can prove it was processed and dispatched (date stamped)within the 14 day period, then its up to the royal mail to get it to the unfortunate person. |  | | |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 15:48 - Mar 5 with 1595 views | ItchySphincter |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 11:43 - Mar 5 by Swanzay |
To try and clear this up, processed and sent within 14 days. That does not have any bearing on when it goes through the individuals letter box.
Its legal as long as they can prove it was processed and dispatched (date stamped)within the 14 day period, then its up to the royal mail to get it to the unfortunate person. |
Kinda like what Shwmie and ECB are arguing over.
ECB: "It's black"
Shwmie: "No it's not, it's black"
Ad infinitum. |  |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 15:55 - Mar 5 with 1589 views | Swanzay |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 15:48 - Mar 5 by ItchySphincter |
Kinda like what Shwmie and ECB are arguing over.
ECB: "It's black"
Shwmie: "No it's not, it's black"
Ad infinitum. |
Exactly, I just forgot to quote on of them! | | | |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 07:59 - Mar 6 with 1552 views | yescomeon |
I've had a ticket from that camera, few years ago now tho (2007/8 i think) |  |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 08:19 - Mar 6 with 1545 views | 1jack |
Go to the Honest John website, there is a forum on there that covers different laws, there is a vast section on there regarding this matter. I've read it briefly and it does seem that you have to receive the NIP within 14 days, but that was just a brief read, go check it out. |  | | |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 09:53 - Mar 6 with 1525 views | Witneyjack |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 08:19 - Mar 6 by 1jack |
Go to the Honest John website, there is a forum on there that covers different laws, there is a vast section on there regarding this matter. I've read it briefly and it does seem that you have to receive the NIP within 14 days, but that was just a brief read, go check it out. |
You don't have to receive the NIP within 14 days. It has to be processed and sent within 14 days. You can receive it 6 months later and still be liable. |  | | |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 10:07 - Mar 6 with 1509 views | Joe_bradshaw |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 09:53 - Mar 6 by Witneyjack |
You don't have to receive the NIP within 14 days. It has to be processed and sent within 14 days. You can receive it 6 months later and still be liable. |
In practical terms if your NIP has been lost in the post you will get a letter around 6-8 weeks after the offence asking why you haven't responded to the NIP asking who was driving and whether you accept the fixed penalty etc. |  |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 18:02 - Mar 6 with 1460 views | jack_lord |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 10:07 - Mar 6 by Joe_bradshaw |
In practical terms if your NIP has been lost in the post you will get a letter around 6-8 weeks after the offence asking why you haven't responded to the NIP asking who was driving and whether you accept the fixed penalty etc. |
Just to throw a curved ball, what happens if the letter keeps getting lost or the postman delivers it to the wrong address for a period of longer than six months? | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 19:17 - Mar 6 with 1439 views | exiledclaseboy |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 18:02 - Mar 6 by jack_lord |
Just to throw a curved ball, what happens if the letter keeps getting lost or the postman delivers it to the wrong address for a period of longer than six months? |
You'd have been prosecuted for not responding to the NIP by failing to provide details of the driver long before then. Which is why the notion that it could turn up six months later and you'd still get done is nonsense. Things would have moved on long before that. | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 19:57 - Mar 6 with 1416 views | dgt73 |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 18:02 - Mar 6 by jack_lord |
Just to throw a curved ball, what happens if the letter keeps getting lost or the postman delivers it to the wrong address for a period of longer than six months? |
You would have a knock on the door from the boys in blue who will issue you with a summons to appear at a magistrates court for a more serious charge of not responding or reveling the driver. | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 19:58 - Mar 6 with 1415 views | dgt73 |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 09:53 - Mar 6 by Witneyjack |
You don't have to receive the NIP within 14 days. It has to be processed and sent within 14 days. You can receive it 6 months later and still be liable. |
That is the correct answer. | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 20:10 - Mar 6 with 1411 views | dgt73 |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 19:17 - Mar 6 by exiledclaseboy |
You'd have been prosecuted for not responding to the NIP by failing to provide details of the driver long before then. Which is why the notion that it could turn up six months later and you'd still get done is nonsense. Things would have moved on long before that. |
After our little discussion the other day, I have spoken to someone well placed regarding this matter and was told that 14 days to process which includes being posted, not 14 days to arrive through the letter box, the legal system cannot rely on the royal mail to deliver justice. And also some unlucky people have ended up in court months later as a result of undelivered fix penalty notices and when these people explained in court that they had not received the notices, they had the more serious charge of not notifying the driver droped and just had the 3 pts and £60 fine. And that comes from someone who works in the courts every week. | |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 20:17 - Mar 6 with 1405 views | ItchySphincter |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 20:40 - Mar 6 with 1391 views | dgt73 |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 20:17 - Mar 6 by ItchySphincter |
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| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 20:56 - Mar 6 with 1380 views | jack_lord |
| M4 Speed Camera - Port Talbot on 20:10 - Mar 6 by dgt73 |
After our little discussion the other day, I have spoken to someone well placed regarding this matter and was told that 14 days to process which includes being posted, not 14 days to arrive through the letter box, the legal system cannot rely on the royal mail to deliver justice. And also some unlucky people have ended up in court months later as a result of undelivered fix penalty notices and when these people explained in court that they had not received the notices, they had the more serious charge of not notifying the driver droped and just had the 3 pts and £60 fine. And that comes from someone who works in the courts every week. |
I believe the first point is exactly what Clasey said and the second point has had different outcomes. I know of people who have changed their address and find out they had a NIP outstanding which when challenged was filed away. | |
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