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Reply | Richard Keys views on Russell Martin
at 11:00 5 Sep 2024
That's why I say it's an interesting point - the question is why? When they had all the experienced managers in the the world to choose from? That's part of my whole conjecture. Why would one of the world's greatest club sides pick a manager with two years experience including one year of relative abysmal failure. You should choose a manager for his/her experience and know-how - I suspect the know-how of possession football is what some of these big clubs, like Bayern Munich, now want to instill even if it takes a few years to develop.
As PP rightly highlighted; I suspect Keys 'could' have a point; it's quite possible that certain managers have been groomed to play that style of football. Burnley and Saints could be mere fodder. I'm not saying it's absolutely true; I'm saying it's worth thinking and talking about because it could be true. That's surely why we've got a Forum for Saints fans.
It's also interesting that very few teams seem to take up possession football, except only the very best, whilst canny others develop teams to just low block and break eg. Notts Forest. The teams that can do both effectively win the trophies.
But consistently playing just one style or the other is pretty rotten for the paying spectator played over a whole season especially if you haven't got the players to effectively execute what's needed against competent opposition. [Post edited 5 Sep 11:01]
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Reply | Richard Keys views on Russell Martin
at 20:56 4 Sep 2024
Really, we'll see? It's a little tongue in cheek but SR gave Russell Martin a job from Swansea to Southampton is, contextually, a fairly big move, considering Saints had just been relegated from the Premiership. Kompany, as a manager, to Bayern Munich? It's still ridiculous; what he achieved as a player is irrelevant; on that basis Paul Gascoigne would have been given the Barcelona job. |
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Reply | Richard Keys views on Russell Martin
at 19:08 4 Sep 2024
That's a really interesting, although initially (seemingly) conspiratorial, point that Keys makes about Kompany and Martin, by implication, playing to a pre-prescribed system (although I don't have any prior knowledge of the chap). You have to ask yourself why would Kompany, an ex- Man City player and rookie manager continued to play 'that way' for a whole season in the Prem - it just doesn't make any sense because anybody could see that they were always going to be relegated playing like that.
Why would Martin continue to play in the same way as Kompany when it's clearly useless against better, and better organised, teams in the Prem or even simply well organised teams in the championship or the cup competitions? Martin conveniently seemed to have no qualms about changing formation and the system and getting us in to the Prem. Seemingly a genius move. The selection of McCarthy would then also make sense.
But if Kompany, had (or Martin has) prior knowledge of the rewards then , yes, that would also make sense.
The big teams value the European Championship, perhaps more than the league, and would have to play in a certain style - the Barcelona/Man City style to be precise - to challenge and beat the best at least in Europe. If you can build a team of the highest calibre possible, that can play brilliant tippy-tappy football around, and out of, your own penalty box, then you can challenge for the most prestigious trophies and rake in the other benefits, such as, selling off successful players at exorbitant fees and take the highest possible TV money. It also makes sense because all the other top teams with the best players play in the same way. We all know that teams change formations to match the opposition if they're getting the upper-hand.
So that leads us to what Saints fans care about. Is Martin going to do the same? If so he needs kicking out as quickly as possible because he's selling our club down the river. Those huge clubs couldn't care less about Burnley and Southampton - we're merely lambs to the slaughter. Once again, that makes sense, it simply shows, the ruthlessness of the big clubs and shouldn't really be a surprise - although the vision and the extent of their machinations may be.
May be to get what they need the big clubs need managers that are narcissistic, confidence tricksters to take on and continue with the agenda; making excuse after excuse about pathetic defensive mistakes but continuing with the same method, seemingly undaunted. The players must continue to be brave and take risks according to Martin.
Again, teams like Burnley and Saints are just pawns in bigger teams games. We take some of their younger players who either perform well and are returned or sold on according to needs. The bigger clubs also palm off some players that are never going to make in the Premier League where an initial fee of, say £10 million, which is just the ticket for adjusting the books.
A lot of other questions also make sense when you consider this. Why did Wilcox come to Saints: off-loading a few poor players - a good one who was injury prone, a reasonable central defender, an average winger and a novice goalkeeper? Only to quickly hurry off to Man Utd. Is this part of a predesigned ploy to impart 'the system' on Saints whilst tutoring Russell Martin. Similar questions have to asked about SR - Why do they keep appointing 'risky' managers, etc ?
If Martin's got a big job lined-up elsewhere, he would be adamant that he's not going to change 'his system' ( it's not really his system is it?). Even if he changes the system for a few matches, Ralph Hassle was the same. Why should he care? He's already got a huge contact that's set him up for life as did Ralph.
It seems a system is being designed, whether by deliberate actions or as a by-product, to suit the bigger clubs so that that can play themselves in a bubble and ignore everyone else. The top leagues facilitate this behaviour and the exploitation of smaller clubs is part and parcel of this plan/agenda. You just have to look at the recent rigged PSR rules and League cup draw to see that this is at least generally true. [Post edited 4 Sep 19:14]
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Reply | !!!!!!!!!! Russell Martin out !!!!!!!!!!!
at 20:36 31 Aug 2024
"It's about feeling and at the minute we're feeling a little bit tense in certain actions and being punished for that. It's my job to make them stop feeling that."
Tippy-tappy is not going to make them any less tense, is it Russell? Perhaps if you had a pragmatic approach that would build up the confidence and hence the results. Perhaps if you built your strategy around your best players playing together in the team rather than selecting players you think best fit your (deluded) strategy - would build assurance. Russell you have to address your narcissism and talk to a pragmatic psychologist now and regularly. |
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Reply | !!!!!!!!!! Russell Martin out !!!!!!!!!!!
at 17:30 31 Aug 2024
Aribo played well actually in the first half on the left, passing and interchanging with Diaz -they looked useful playing together but then Martin changed it in the second half and moved Aribo to the right hand side where he was ineffective. |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:59 31 Aug 2024
Martin's insistence on tippy tappy is painful and embarrassing. |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:57 31 Aug 2024
Dibbling, Lallana heads down, Sugawara half volleys it in. Terrific goal. 3-1. |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:44 31 Aug 2024
Saints much better attacking with subs on. |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:43 31 Aug 2024
Dibbbling beats 3 and lays the ball across. Lallna on for Aribo. |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:40 31 Aug 2024
Dibbling a run across and a shot - a class of his own. Put him in the team. |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:32 31 Aug 2024
As the commentator says, "architects of our own downfall". |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:27 31 Aug 2024
Another cock up in defence Stephens and Bednarek get in each others way and it's 2-0. Sack Martin please. |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:25 31 Aug 2024
Good effort by Diaz deflected for a corner. |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:22 31 Aug 2024
great cross from Dibbles to the far post. |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:18 31 Aug 2024
Great keeping from Ramsdale. What a player. |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:17 31 Aug 2024
Lovely turn and break by Fernandes final ball just short of Archer. Dibbling on for THB ( who's a bit surprised). |
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Reply | Brentford v Saints
at 16:06 31 Aug 2024
Fernandes on for smallbone and Archer on for AA. |
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