| Just think about it! 09:26 - May 22 with 3658 views | irisaln |
A goalkeeper who is not as good as the first team keeper
is coaching the first team keeper!!!!!
Does this mean that Lillis will be able to get out to the six
yard line to cut out free kicks and corners?
If he just teaches him that then we have a chance of promotion.
If not then our opponents will just keep winning free kicks and
corners and put them into the six yard area. |  | | |  |
| Just think about it! on 09:55 - May 22 with 3608 views | D_Alien |
I've thought about it for two seconds, and guess what?
Dave Flitcroft is coaching/managing players of far greater natural ability than himself.
Keith Hill is doing the same, including the likes of Craig Dawson.
They're successful at it.
Have another think! [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Just think about it! on 10:30 - May 22 with 3539 views | TVOS1907 |
| Just think about it! on 09:55 - May 22 by D_Alien |
I've thought about it for two seconds, and guess what?
Dave Flitcroft is coaching/managing players of far greater natural ability than himself.
Keith Hill is doing the same, including the likes of Craig Dawson.
They're successful at it.
Have another think! [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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Exactly.
Was Mourinho a great player?
Was Ferguson a great player?
Was Bobby Charlton a great manager? |  |
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| Just think about it! on 10:56 - May 22 with 3496 views | macro |
The list on goes on
Peter Shilton great player, as a manager...
Arsene Wenger non-league player, proven manager |  | | |
| Just think about it! on 11:12 - May 22 with 3469 views | 442Dale |
| Just think about it! on 10:56 - May 22 by macro |
The list on goes on
Peter Shilton great player, as a manager...
Arsene Wenger non-league player, proven manager |
To be deliberately awkward, Shilton was unlucky at first. He built a great side at Plymouth that only just missed out on automatic promotion before losing to Burnley in the playoffs. Admittedly, he lost it big style after that. |  |
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| Just think about it! on 11:23 - May 22 with 3452 views | macro |
| Just think about it! on 11:12 - May 22 by 442Dale |
To be deliberately awkward, Shilton was unlucky at first. He built a great side at Plymouth that only just missed out on automatic promotion before losing to Burnley in the playoffs. Admittedly, he lost it big style after that. |
To pull it around the other way, you could say Ferguson was lucky prior Mark Robins winning goal in a cup tie (I forget which match) he was rumoured to be heading for the sack. Swings and roundabouts | | | |
| Just think about it! on 11:32 - May 22 with 3435 views | dingdangblue |
I'm glad Hilly has chosen the 'no proper 2nd Keeper on the books' like he's done in the past. Wasted wage which we can't afford. If Lillis gets injured you just get replacement on loan. As for coaching Lillis? He's been in the game long enough now to not need coaching - he just needs to keep himself fit and agile. |  |
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| Just think about it! on 12:48 - May 22 with 3338 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
| Just think about it! on 10:30 - May 22 by TVOS1907 |
Exactly.
Was Mourinho a great player?
Was Ferguson a great player?
Was Bobby Charlton a great manager? |
......Don't forget Soft Lad! | | | |
| Just think about it! on 12:54 - May 22 with 3324 views | Frog |
Butch Harmon - Tiger Woods
David Leadbetter - Nick Faldo
Don't have to be world class player to coach winners, just a world class coach! [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Just think about it! on 12:56 - May 22 with 3310 views | PDIDDY |
| Just think about it! on 11:23 - May 22 by macro |
To pull it around the other way, you could say Ferguson was lucky prior Mark Robins winning goal in a cup tie (I forget which match) he was rumoured to be heading for the sack. Swings and roundabouts |
But he succeeded prior to all that at aberdeen |  |
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| Just think about it! on 12:58 - May 22 with 3307 views | MoonyDale |
| Just think about it! on 12:56 - May 22 by PDIDDY |
But he succeeded prior to all that at aberdeen |
He was no slouch at putting the ball in the net during his career also... |  |
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| Just think about it! on 13:20 - May 22 with 3270 views | dingdangblue |
| Just think about it! on 12:58 - May 22 by MoonyDale |
He was no slouch at putting the ball in the net during his career also... |
And he was a great Detective.
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| Just think about it! on 22:03 - May 22 with 3094 views | RochdaleLeeds |
| Just think about it! on 12:56 - May 22 by PDIDDY |
But he succeeded prior to all that at aberdeen |
As you get taught & realise on the coaching courses...
Not all professional footballers make the best coaches.
Imagine Cristiano Ronaldo in his 40's coaching a league 2 side, experience he has to give but ignorance he has too much of. World Class players would expect too much upon a player when coaching all because he could do it.
Obviously its not a fact but an opinion.
Ray Clemence England no1 and became England first team goalkeeper coach all because of experience and coaching ability.
Who you were does not defy who you will be, it only gives you a higher stepping stone to become a pro coach because people know you.
My first boss played u18s at Kidderminster, no pace, no skill, not great ability but he could stick by a player and be a good defender on his day is now the main technical & skill coach at Stoke Academy (a VERY GOOD academy in its right)...
Food for Thought. |  | | |
| Just think about it! on 22:11 - May 22 with 3080 views | 442Dale |
| Just think about it! on 22:03 - May 22 by RochdaleLeeds |
As you get taught & realise on the coaching courses...
Not all professional footballers make the best coaches.
Imagine Cristiano Ronaldo in his 40's coaching a league 2 side, experience he has to give but ignorance he has too much of. World Class players would expect too much upon a player when coaching all because he could do it.
Obviously its not a fact but an opinion.
Ray Clemence England no1 and became England first team goalkeeper coach all because of experience and coaching ability.
Who you were does not defy who you will be, it only gives you a higher stepping stone to become a pro coach because people know you.
My first boss played u18s at Kidderminster, no pace, no skill, not great ability but he could stick by a player and be a good defender on his day is now the main technical & skill coach at Stoke Academy (a VERY GOOD academy in its right)...
Food for Thought. |
Stoke and the words "technical" and "skill" don't sit well together.
The rest of it makes sense. | |
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| Just think about it! on 22:13 - May 22 with 3079 views | RochdaleLeeds |
| Just think about it! on 22:11 - May 22 by 442Dale |
Stoke and the words "technical" and "skill" don't sit well together.
The rest of it makes sense. |
its the academy 442Dale, they have a completely different philosophy. Pass and Move like all academies are (and should be) coached these days.
But I see what you mean about it being Stoke lol | | | |
| Just think about it! on 22:14 - May 22 with 3076 views | 442Dale |
| Just think about it! on 22:13 - May 22 by RochdaleLeeds |
its the academy 442Dale, they have a completely different philosophy. Pass and Move like all academies are (and should be) coached these days.
But I see what you mean about it being Stoke lol |
Which makes getting shot of Pulis make sense. | |
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| Just think about it! on 22:15 - May 22 with 3073 views | RochdaleLeeds |
| Just think about it! on 22:14 - May 22 by 442Dale |
Which makes getting shot of Pulis make sense. |
Indeed it does but you cannot deny he has done a good job at Stoke for the past 7 years. | | | |
| Just think about it! on 08:47 - May 23 with 2940 views | Daley_Lama |
I don't think Hilly actually likes having to have a single keeper on the books.
I'm pretty sure he will be utilising the loan market in this position once more, unless Lillis turns into Schmeichel (P) this summer. |  |
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| Just think about it! on 09:35 - May 23 with 2917 views | irisaln |
Stoke City have survived at the top level because Pulis is aware
that if you don't have great skill then you require big strong tall players
of average ability.
KH take note!! | | | |
| Just think about it! on 14:50 - May 23 with 2828 views | RochdaleLeeds |
| Just think about it! on 09:35 - May 23 by irisaln |
Stoke City have survived at the top level because Pulis is aware
that if you don't have great skill then you require big strong tall players
of average ability.
KH take note!! |
Exactly, Pulis has done what he must to survive on the premier league & over the years has slowly changed the philosophy.
However to the original point, just because your not as good as the player your coaching does not mean a thing, as long as the coach can spot the technical faults and correct them slowly over time & also keeping the player on his best form mentality then your worthy of coaching anybody (regardless of your own ability). | | | |
| Just think about it! on 19:47 - May 23 with 2757 views | BigDaveMyCock |
| Just think about it! on 09:35 - May 23 by irisaln |
Stoke City have survived at the top level because Pulis is aware
that if you don't have great skill then you require big strong tall players
of average ability.
KH take note!! |
The problem is that the game has moved on. Stoke fans see the likes of Swansea and West Brom etc staying up, spending less and playing, for the most part, entertaining football. Stoke's performances against United and Villa this season were the worse I've seen since another long-ball merchant Mcleish was at Villa last season.
A lot of teams play football these days - decent ball-playing footballers are no longer exclusively for the wealthier so-called 'top' teams.
The standard has raised generally. I don't know how old you are, but anyone who watched football in the 1980s and 1990s will likely agree that the standard of players has generally improved throughout the leagues.
The quality of Dale's play improved markedly under Hill and that was down to coaching, mentality and not accepting the approach that because we're not a 'top' team we have to rely on physicality alone.
Long-ball/physical tactics is essentially lazy coaching. It doesn't require a lot to sign a big forward and drill the team to get the ball too him as quickly as possible.
Good coaches increasingly show playing football can be achieved on a budget.
Stoke fans in the end were saying 'ok we're staying up but I don't want to actually watch Stoke play'. That's where the pragmatic long-ball approach hits the buffers. Interesting argument - Wigan fans are desperate for Martinez to stay whereas Stoke fans seem happy Pullis has gone. Stoke are still in the Prem and Wigan got relegated. Fans, for the most part, aren't pragmatic. They actually like paying money to watch a good and exciting game of football. | |
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