| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread 13:54 - Dec 23 with 28549 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Match 5 đŻ
Going a bit early due to Xmas and I'm not changing the format as I'm becoming more superstitious the longer this run continues.
Will the Welsh valleys be filled with the joyous choir melodies of Rangers fans celebrating another good result?
Will The Rs refuse to go gentle into that good night?
Does Matri look younger when QPR do well?
Those Ancient Alien Astronaut theorists give a resounding Yes!
Tough game, no Cook, but we are looking difficult to breakdown. Going for a 1-0 win, but be delighted with a draw.
Happy Xmas everyone, and safe journey to those making the trip along the M4. U Rs! |  | | |  |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:05 - Dec 26 with 1189 views | Damo1962 |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 18:23 - Dec 26 by ManinBlack |
How is it an overreaction when we haven't won on this date away for 56 years? There are many on here who have never experienced a QPR away win on Boxing Day in their lifetime so it's a bit crass to say we loved the result. The display today reminds me of the Redknapp comment about bonus away games in the Premier League.
Today's performance was even worse than last year's at Millwall. Wednesday were three down at half time to Boro and fought back to draw where we barely had a shot all game. The fans who went today deserve better. |
Over half a century... that's pretty dismal alright. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:07 - Dec 26 with 1171 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 18:33 - Dec 26 by connell10 |
Mate we had 2 of our best defenders out, Morrison and Cook.....also JCS is just coming back from a long injury. As soon as I saw the team I knew we were in trouble. Injuries are killing us at the moment unfortunately and you can't win every game. |
So how does that explain 25% possession and not a single shot? Baffling! |  |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:09 - Dec 26 with 1167 views | kensalriser |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 18:50 - Dec 26 by Northernr |
Non contact muscle injuries stacking up - JCS, Celar, Cook, Morrison.
Not a good sign at all for our âperformance departmentâ. |
To be fair it's hard to get contact injuries when you can barely get in the same postcode as the opposition. |  |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:11 - Dec 26 with 1154 views | kropotkin41 |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:07 - Dec 26 by stainrods_elbow |
So how does that explain 25% possession and not a single shot? Baffling! |
There definitely was a shot! Well, a header, off target, but definitely a thing! |  |
| ââŹËmorbid curiosity about where this is all goingââŹâ˘ |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:11 - Dec 26 with 1150 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:07 - Dec 26 by stainrods_elbow |
So how does that explain 25% possession and not a single shot? Baffling! |
Not really baffling.
If you haven't got a striker who can hold up the ball you can't get out.
A make shift back line with players out of position or ill.
And no central midfielders on the bench who can come on and change it.
I think MC is foing a hell of a job considering the hand he's been dealt. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:14 - Dec 26 with 1118 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 18:36 - Dec 26 by Markofthegrove |
Have you seen what he is dealing with? The squad is terribly unbalanced.
You've got a Right footed centre back playing right back, because the two right backs we signed are dog po**. Therefore meaning JCS has to play Right centre half to accommodate Fox. Now morrison is injured for 'weeks' and Cook is out and we have no cover at left back.
Wonder if we can get another "Kings message" from Nourry.
That message yesterday was as disingenuous as it comes and about as humble as Cristiano Ronaldo after scoring a penalty against the dog and duck Sunday league side.
Good job we spent all of our budget on Nicolas Madsen who is completely useless.
It's never as bad as it seems when we're bad and never as good as it feels when on a good run. But the recruitment in the summer and the continued remote working of the head of performance are still big issues.
Christian is probably reading this, so maybe he will give us scum a few words from the goodness of his heart. |
Good god! Yet another piece of evidence from the muppets' song on here (let's call it 'Ra ra Marty') as if the failings of the squad/team he's been a massive part of buying/building, and is now coaching, have f*ck all to do with him. Sure, we had two important defenders missing today, and Chair only played one half, but how does that account for what we saw? | |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:16 - Dec 26 with 1108 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 18:37 - Dec 26 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
How is Marti meant to play Kolli and Frey upfront against Norwich in 3 days time?
That would be mad, you'd be risking both strikers in one game when we only have two strikers.
I think MC knows better than do daft things like that. |
No dafter (to use a very kind word) than what we saw today. At least one other poster suggested we do that in the second half today, actually, but punch me again if it makes you feel better, why don't you? | |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:17 - Dec 26 with 1118 views | ManinBlack |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 18:30 - Dec 26 by kensalriser |
Boro were down to ten after 55 minutes. |
It was 3-2 when Boro went down to 10 men so the fightback was already on. |  | | |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:24 - Dec 26 with 1073 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:16 - Dec 26 by stainrods_elbow |
No dafter (to use a very kind word) than what we saw today. At least one other poster suggested we do that in the second half today, actually, but punch me again if it makes you feel better, why don't you? |
Not punching you, but it's a daft idea.
If you only have 1 fully fit striker and another who is not match fit the last thing you do is play them together.
Still, if you go into a season lacking numbers in key positions then this is what happens. MC hands are tied. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:27 - Dec 26 with 1040 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:11 - Dec 26 by kropotkin41 |
There definitely was a shot! Well, a header, off target, but definitely a thing! |
What's amazing is you think it's even worth mentioning! | |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:30 - Dec 26 with 1022 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:11 - Dec 26 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Not really baffling.
If you haven't got a striker who can hold up the ball you can't get out.
A make shift back line with players out of position or ill.
And no central midfielders on the bench who can come on and change it.
I think MC is foing a hell of a job considering the hand he's been dealt. |
He's certainly doing a 'hell' of a job based on what I saw today, and large parts of other recent games!
I know we can sometimes see games differently, but your assessment doesn't so much take the biscuit as run off with the whole tin! The fact that today's game doesn't seem to have come as a surprise to many is telling in itself. | |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:32 - Dec 26 with 1011 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:24 - Dec 26 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Not punching you, but it's a daft idea.
If you only have 1 fully fit striker and another who is not match fit the last thing you do is play them together.
Still, if you go into a season lacking numbers in key positions then this is what happens. MC hands are tied. |
The issue of some people still being in denial that Marti HASN'T, repeat HASN'T, had his squad (and its issues) somehow forced on him is now becoming actually quite weird. | |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:38 - Dec 26 with 993 views | Burnleyhoop |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:07 - Dec 26 by stainrods_elbow |
So how does that explain 25% possession and not a single shot? Baffling! |
Or our apparent inability to tackle anyone. As Clive would say âit is allowedâ.
Swansea literally took the piss for 45 minutes and we didnât lay a glove on them. But we somehow seem capable of doing it in the second half. This seems to be a recurring theme. I would suggest, this is not a strategy we should continue with. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:39 - Dec 26 with 986 views | Northernr |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:11 - Dec 26 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Not really baffling.
If you haven't got a striker who can hold up the ball you can't get out.
A make shift back line with players out of position or ill.
And no central midfielders on the bench who can come on and change it.
I think MC is foing a hell of a job considering the hand he's been dealt. |
Totally agree. |  | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:41 - Dec 26 with 973 views | themodfather |
a bad day for us, first in 8, swans took their chances fluffed up their plumage and did ik, we were under par but will do better. we move on. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:44 - Dec 26 with 951 views | stainrods_elbow |
The point is, he hasn't merely been 'dealt a hand' - he's as much dealer as dealee! He can't control the injuries, sure, but they're his players and it's his team, his playing style, his tactics, his handiwork! Can any of the Martiphiles/Nourryphobes (who often seem to be the same people) produce a single shred of evidence to the contrary? | |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:47 - Dec 26 with 933 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:41 - Dec 26 by themodfather |
a bad day for us, first in 8, swans took their chances fluffed up their plumage and did ik, we were under par but will do better. we move on. |
Your description of today's debacle as 'sub par' reminded me of an ALan Partridge skit where he describes mistakenly shooting dead some mocked-up hostages instead of the terrorists as 'sub-optimal'! | |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:54 - Dec 26 with 912 views | E15Hoop |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:05 - Dec 26 by stainrods_elbow |
Wow! With 'realism' like yours, E15, give me extremism anyday! The correlation between people who like to paint themselves as 'realists' and a kind of smug self- righteousness is striking in life. It's an especially peculiar thing coming from a football fan, all of whom are some of the most unbalanced, idealistic and irrational people you'll meet anywhere - the clue's in the word 'fanatic' in case you missed it!
If you think yet another game of away less than 30% possession can be explained as a technical 'error', the fact that we literally couldn't string three passes together for 45 minutes deserves a measured response, and that we 'played' (and even then completely ineffectively) for about a quarter of an hour at most deserves a pat on the back, you can shove your circumspection where the sun don't shine. Do you ever give any consideration to the possibility that the boot might be on the other foot and it might not be me 'over-reacting' but you 'under reacting'? It's a bit like when people get called 'over-sensitive' by those afflicted with thicker skins. I also find it hilarious and telling that many others on here react and write even more fulminatingly than me at times, yet it's the usual suspects' resident scapegoat you choose to pick on.
Finally, to answer your infantilising post's final question with an authenticity I'm not sure it deserves, the kind of professionals I like are fierce perfectionists and dying breeds like Roy Keane, John McEnroe, Alex Ferguson, Gordon Ramsey, and Marco Pierre White. Men of heated (and sometimes overheated) passion who, if they can sometimes shade into obnoxious bullies or seem to, demand standards and quality of themselves and others with an almost demonic ferocity. As Keane has said, argument and friction is often good in a dressing room - it signifies pride and leadership. (And as my first piece of evidence, I give you Manchester United, of whom Keano amusingly remarked that the current crop get so heated sometimes they throw hair gel at each other!) I question these players', and this manager's, pride and passion after today's showing, and one or two recent performances (or half-performances), and if I do that 'immoderately' in your ever so grown-up eyes, suck it up! I'm a fan and (mostly) happy to be me.
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Hmmm - interesting and enlightening response, but probably not in the way you intended.
Seems that all of your role models have something in common, and that's a psychopathic tendency to want to "win at all costs" - a facet that might well breed success in the short term, but that leads to a lot of casualties in the process of one type or another.
It also a common thread amongst all of them that they all justify their psychopathic tendencies by their success, with no interest in the damage inflicted on their victims in the process.
Can't think of many people who still have a lot of respect for how your role models achieved their goals. McEnroe and Keane in particular have spent a lot of time publicly reinventing their respective images, and its particularly interesting to me that Messrs Keane and Ferguson don't have many good words for each other now they're no longer in each other's orbit.
Still, if that's the kind of environment you want to see brought to bear at Heston/W12, perhaps you should share your thoughts with the CEO directly,
As for me, I'd prefer to go with the quieter, more reasoned approach of a Stock, Jago or Sexton - 3 leaders who had their own levels of success without creating a toxic working environment in the process. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:59 - Dec 26 with 899 views | baz_qpr |
Not sure Kolli can be held responsible I dont think he had a ball within 10 metres of him first half.
The mistake today was to play Fox and JCS as the CB pairing we got very deep, JCS could not playout when receiving the ball from Nardi. Paal did not turn up at all, (I hear he was ill, it showed). Fox was a disaster class again.
Because the back four were so deep so were the midfield, so we were miles of getting close to them off the ball (leaving huge space when Field Morgan attempted to press higher and when we had the ball, Smyth and Saito were receiving it in our third. 2nd half Ashby and Chair made a difference and Smyth and Field pushed further forward as did the whole team and they could only really get in behind Fox.
I think against Norwich we will see the back four as it ended with Dunne and JCS, Ashby RB and Fox or Paal LB. I think we will see Chair back and probably Frey starting, and frankly a draw will be a cracking result |  | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:03 - Dec 26 with 871 views | Northernr |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:59 - Dec 26 by baz_qpr |
Not sure Kolli can be held responsible I dont think he had a ball within 10 metres of him first half.
The mistake today was to play Fox and JCS as the CB pairing we got very deep, JCS could not playout when receiving the ball from Nardi. Paal did not turn up at all, (I hear he was ill, it showed). Fox was a disaster class again.
Because the back four were so deep so were the midfield, so we were miles of getting close to them off the ball (leaving huge space when Field Morgan attempted to press higher and when we had the ball, Smyth and Saito were receiving it in our third. 2nd half Ashby and Chair made a difference and Smyth and Field pushed further forward as did the whole team and they could only really get in behind Fox.
I think against Norwich we will see the back four as it ended with Dunne and JCS, Ashby RB and Fox or Paal LB. I think we will see Chair back and probably Frey starting, and frankly a draw will be a cracking result |
Yeh agree with a lot of that mate.
The problem with Kolli up there alone in games like that is you need to be able to knock a direct ball up to your centre forward and have it stick there, so you can get up the pitch. He's just not that sort of player. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:10 - Dec 26 with 829 views | stainrods_elbow |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:54 - Dec 26 by E15Hoop |
Hmmm - interesting and enlightening response, but probably not in the way you intended.
Seems that all of your role models have something in common, and that's a psychopathic tendency to want to "win at all costs" - a facet that might well breed success in the short term, but that leads to a lot of casualties in the process of one type or another.
It also a common thread amongst all of them that they all justify their psychopathic tendencies by their success, with no interest in the damage inflicted on their victims in the process.
Can't think of many people who still have a lot of respect for how your role models achieved their goals. McEnroe and Keane in particular have spent a lot of time publicly reinventing their respective images, and its particularly interesting to me that Messrs Keane and Ferguson don't have many good words for each other now they're no longer in each other's orbit.
Still, if that's the kind of environment you want to see brought to bear at Heston/W12, perhaps you should share your thoughts with the CEO directly,
As for me, I'd prefer to go with the quieter, more reasoned approach of a Stock, Jago or Sexton - 3 leaders who had their own levels of success without creating a toxic working environment in the process. |
If you think the five massively successful managers, players and chefs I cited are all 'psychopaths', I suggest you see a psychiatrist - or maybe just buy a dictionary!
I could also have cited the likes of Dennis Bergkamp, Bobby Moore, and even John Sitton. It isn't only about 'winning at all costs', which is why I included the likes of Ramsey and Pierre White, where the concept doesn't even make sense. It's about the marriage of passion and perfectionism - as Sitton put it, 'wanting to be a good player every game'. That needs fierceness and a kind of obsessive commitment to, as Woody Allen once said, 'keep turning up'.
The only Rs who consistently 'turn up' are some of the mad and lovely people who go to the games week in, week out. This team, and this management team, follow one good game (or good half) with a bad one, or atrocious one, irrespective of who's playing. That, for me, is indicative of a lack of pride, passion and/or, as we saw in today's first half, utter ineptitude. As to the second half, the 'improvement' was as much down to Swansea 'putting their cue on the rack', as anything else. The fact that 15 minutes of reasonable possession (possession that still achieved next to nothing in front of goal) is getting paludits mainly attests to how low people have allowed their expectations to be managed down. [Post edited 26 Dec 20:24]
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:30 - Dec 26 with 731 views | kensalriser |
Sometimes I think a maximum number of posts per poster per day would be a welcome feature. | |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:34 - Dec 26 with 703 views | R_from_afar |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:11 - Dec 26 by kropotkin41 |
There definitely was a shot! Well, a header, off target, but definitely a thing! |
Whether it was noted in the official stats or not, there was a shot on target but it deflected wide, off an opponent.
Err, wow. I think. |  |
| "Things had started becoming increasingly desperate at Loftus Road but QPR have been handed a massive lifeline and the place has absolutely erupted. it's carnage. It's bedlam. It's 1-1." |
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| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:38 - Dec 26 with 689 views | Burnleyhoop |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 19:39 - Dec 26 by Northernr |
Totally agree. |
Donât recall seeing a single pass into Kolliâs feet. Canât hold it up if no one passes to you. Kolli spent the entire period he was on the pitch chasing 3 defenders around with little or no supporting press.
We literally invited Swansea onto to us but did nothing when they arrived. The loss of Cook and Morrison could have a profound effect on performances for the foreseeable future, at least until one of them is back. Fox is not the answer. | | | |
| QPR v Ride A White Swansea Match Thread on 20:40 - Dec 26 with 682 views | StrawberryHillR |
Inevitable that a first half performance like that would culminate in fans going at each other over their preferred celebrity chefs. | | | |
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