| Azhar Ali 07:18 - Feb 13 with 13889 views | Duckegg |
The Labour party have removed their support from Anzar Ali in the up coming Labour byelection...
This is due to his speach about Isreal, Hamas and Gaza....
People will not agree with what Mr Ali said and some will...
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| Azhar Ali on 13:13 - Feb 16 with 4851 views | 49thseason |
| Azhar Ali on 11:36 - Feb 16 by mikehunt |
How soon were the postal votes allowed. Might some of these be for Ali? Wasted, if so. |
Interesting results from last nights By Elections... Lib Dems lost their deposits in both seats... well done Ed Davey , his Post Office shenanigans have clearly gone down well...
In Kingswood, Reform got 10% and 13% in Wellingborough which is their best result so far. The Labour Vote in Wellingborough was up .. by just 107 votes from the last election so it would seem a low turnout and a determination by many Tories not to vote or to vote for Reform has swung this election away from the Tories.
On a slightly different note, the election of a new Police and Crime Commissioner in Newport Gwent went well last night with ZERO voters at one polling station! |  | | |
| Azhar Ali on 19:10 - Feb 16 with 4557 views | pioneer |
| Azhar Ali on 13:12 - Feb 16 by D_Alien |
I should think so too
Unless absolutely essential (i.e. can't physically make it to the polling station) postal voting exposes the system to all types of manipulation, including coercion. It goes against everything our forebears fought for, not least votes for women, for which some gave their lives |
The voting system is outdated and partly responsible for seriously low turnouts although with a general election coming up i can see how some might have said why bother when we have to do it all again very soon. In the case of Bristol the constituency is being abolished so the victorious candidate wont serve long enough for a pension.
While you and me might be willing to stroll off to our local poling station in all weather to put our cross on a piece of paper I suspect the younger generation find this somewhat comical.
We are now able to do just about anything from our phones, with many of those things involving high levels of personal security, apart from vote. The alternative to making voting easier is to make it compulsory with fines for those who dont show.
Probably time to have a serious conversation about voting methods. In the two bye elections I suppose none of the above won |  | | |
| Azhar Ali on 19:54 - Feb 16 with 4501 views | 49thseason |
| Azhar Ali on 19:10 - Feb 16 by pioneer |
The voting system is outdated and partly responsible for seriously low turnouts although with a general election coming up i can see how some might have said why bother when we have to do it all again very soon. In the case of Bristol the constituency is being abolished so the victorious candidate wont serve long enough for a pension.
While you and me might be willing to stroll off to our local poling station in all weather to put our cross on a piece of paper I suspect the younger generation find this somewhat comical.
We are now able to do just about anything from our phones, with many of those things involving high levels of personal security, apart from vote. The alternative to making voting easier is to make it compulsory with fines for those who dont show.
Probably time to have a serious conversation about voting methods. In the two bye elections I suppose none of the above won |
In-person voting is the safest method, the 23,000 mail in ballots for this election is simply ruining the system. The are statistics about the numbers of ethnic minority women who neither read nor write and they are truely shocking, So essentially husbands are abusing the voting system by claiming a vote in their wife's name and using it to vote twice, rather like a Councillor near The COA did.... And thats not to say the women would vote differently but it is an abuse of the system and needs to be stopped. Indeed the whole idea that 85% of EM women who arrived here unable to speak English cannot after many many years either speak, read or write English ( and are therefore largely unemployable beyond their own communities) is a dreadful indictment of successive governments and councils attitudes to immigration over several decades. Democracy is a fragile concept and largely separates us from the Orks, when people think they can abuse the system without redress or exhibit a CBA attitude to voting, we all lose that which binds us and anarchy is close behind.
Equally politicians who make promises they know the cannot or will not keep demean us too. Much of the problem is the political party system which is too easy to infiltrate and too susceptible to being bought. Government attracts psychopaths narcissists and sociopaths like a moth to a flame ..George Galloway exhibit A..The pay is too high, the expenses outrageous and the opportunities to make vast amounts of money are manifest.
40% of MPs are public school educated as are 69 % of the judiciary vs 7% of the population who attend them. Watch Question time and do a wiki search on the panel, hords of them have never had what could be described as a proper job... school .. university.... MP's jobsworth... MP... its a well worn track. And then there are the " special interest groups like the Centre For Policy Studies that so many MPs seem to have on their CVs
This from a writer pal..."Fraser Nelson, a QT regular, is also a director of the Centre for Policy Studies (CPS), alongside the likes of Lord Spencer of Alresford and Lord Strathclyde (not his real name, Thomas Dunlop Galloway De Roy De Blicquy Gilbraith). According to documents lodged at Companies House, the CPS’s business is ‘Publishing of learned journals’. Oooo listen to them! However, their online shop sells only donations and associate memberships. The Marquis de Sade can rest easy as reference to Amazon shows no Centre For Policy Studies ‘learned journals’ for sale. Further examination of the CPS online presence reveals that the organisation’s publications can be downloaded for free. Again via Companies House, the CPS has a turnover of over £600,000 per year.
Where does the money come from if not from selling its learned publications? From donations. Who are the donors? We aren’t told. Open Democracy’s Who Funds You? research tells us the Centre For Policy Studies is a ‘dark money’-funded organisation and one of the six least transparent think tanks. Steve Goodrich of Transparency International UK further informs us, ‘Think tanks can play an important role informing policy in Westminster, yet opacity about their funding can raise suspicion that they’re peddling positions in favour of vested interests.’ Keep this in mind every time Fraser Nelson’s lips move.
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| Azhar Ali on 20:44 - Feb 16 with 4432 views | pioneer |
| Azhar Ali on 19:54 - Feb 16 by 49thseason |
In-person voting is the safest method, the 23,000 mail in ballots for this election is simply ruining the system. The are statistics about the numbers of ethnic minority women who neither read nor write and they are truely shocking, So essentially husbands are abusing the voting system by claiming a vote in their wife's name and using it to vote twice, rather like a Councillor near The COA did.... And thats not to say the women would vote differently but it is an abuse of the system and needs to be stopped. Indeed the whole idea that 85% of EM women who arrived here unable to speak English cannot after many many years either speak, read or write English ( and are therefore largely unemployable beyond their own communities) is a dreadful indictment of successive governments and councils attitudes to immigration over several decades. Democracy is a fragile concept and largely separates us from the Orks, when people think they can abuse the system without redress or exhibit a CBA attitude to voting, we all lose that which binds us and anarchy is close behind.
Equally politicians who make promises they know the cannot or will not keep demean us too. Much of the problem is the political party system which is too easy to infiltrate and too susceptible to being bought. Government attracts psychopaths narcissists and sociopaths like a moth to a flame ..George Galloway exhibit A..The pay is too high, the expenses outrageous and the opportunities to make vast amounts of money are manifest.
40% of MPs are public school educated as are 69 % of the judiciary vs 7% of the population who attend them. Watch Question time and do a wiki search on the panel, hords of them have never had what could be described as a proper job... school .. university.... MP's jobsworth... MP... its a well worn track. And then there are the " special interest groups like the Centre For Policy Studies that so many MPs seem to have on their CVs
This from a writer pal..."Fraser Nelson, a QT regular, is also a director of the Centre for Policy Studies (CPS), alongside the likes of Lord Spencer of Alresford and Lord Strathclyde (not his real name, Thomas Dunlop Galloway De Roy De Blicquy Gilbraith). According to documents lodged at Companies House, the CPS’s business is ‘Publishing of learned journals’. Oooo listen to them! However, their online shop sells only donations and associate memberships. The Marquis de Sade can rest easy as reference to Amazon shows no Centre For Policy Studies ‘learned journals’ for sale. Further examination of the CPS online presence reveals that the organisation’s publications can be downloaded for free. Again via Companies House, the CPS has a turnover of over £600,000 per year.
Where does the money come from if not from selling its learned publications? From donations. Who are the donors? We aren’t told. Open Democracy’s Who Funds You? research tells us the Centre For Policy Studies is a ‘dark money’-funded organisation and one of the six least transparent think tanks. Steve Goodrich of Transparency International UK further informs us, ‘Think tanks can play an important role informing policy in Westminster, yet opacity about their funding can raise suspicion that they’re peddling positions in favour of vested interests.’ Keep this in mind every time Fraser Nelson’s lips move.
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Not wanting to disagree with anything you say but at what low level of participation would you be willing to see for you to accept that turning up at a polling station in all weathers does not produce a realistic voice of the people.
With only 1 in three turning out to vote including postal votes and less than half of those voting for the winning candidate it means for every person who voted for the labour candidate there were about seven registered voters who didnt.
Hardly the voice of the people. | | | |
| Azhar Ali on 21:10 - Feb 16 with 4372 views | mikehunt |
| Azhar Ali on 13:13 - Feb 16 by 49thseason |
Interesting results from last nights By Elections... Lib Dems lost their deposits in both seats... well done Ed Davey , his Post Office shenanigans have clearly gone down well...
In Kingswood, Reform got 10% and 13% in Wellingborough which is their best result so far. The Labour Vote in Wellingborough was up .. by just 107 votes from the last election so it would seem a low turnout and a determination by many Tories not to vote or to vote for Reform has swung this election away from the Tories.
On a slightly different note, the election of a new Police and Crime Commissioner in Newport Gwent went well last night with ZERO voters at one polling station! |
Spat my drink out at that last bit 😀
But do you think the voters just didn’t have time to get to the polling station because of the 20 mph speed limit? |  |
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| Azhar Ali on 12:39 - May 25 with 3576 views | EllDale |
A general election looms….I believe that nominations for the Labour candidate close at 5.00pm on Monday with Dale exile fan Paul Waugh being the favourite.
I wonder if David Tully will stand again? | | | |
| Azhar Ali on 21:09 - May 29 with 2910 views | leedsdale |
| Azhar Ali on 12:39 - May 25 by EllDale |
A general election looms….I believe that nominations for the Labour candidate close at 5.00pm on Monday with Dale exile fan Paul Waugh being the favourite.
I wonder if David Tully will stand again? |
Paul Waugh has the Labour nomination. Hopefully positive news for the club! |  | | |
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| Azhar Ali on 08:55 - May 30 with 2559 views | isitme |
| Azhar Ali on 21:09 - May 29 by leedsdale |
Paul Waugh has the Labour nomination. Hopefully positive news for the club! |
Bizzarely, if he wins the football club is not in his consituency, although he may be useful in helping to secure training facilities within the borough. I suspect he will hoover up a lot of the independent vote and should have enough votes to beat Galloway.
I am not sure what Elsie Blundell's views are on football as she is likely to be the next MP for Heywood and Middleton North. |  | | |
| Azhar Ali on 09:09 - May 30 with 2498 views | EllDale |
As you say the constituency boundaries have changed including taking Spotland and Falinge out of Rochdale into Heywood North.
I suspect that a lot of Galloway voters could be affected by this. | | | |
| Azhar Ali on 10:31 - May 30 with 2381 views | isitme |
| Azhar Ali on 09:09 - May 30 by EllDale |
As you say the constituency boundaries have changed including taking Spotland and Falinge out of Rochdale into Heywood North.
I suspect that a lot of Galloway voters could be affected by this. |
If you look at the demographics of the new consituency I do not think any 'sectarian voting' would have that much of an affect on the result. | | | |
| Azhar Ali on 12:50 - May 30 with 2224 views | turnthescrew |
| Azhar Ali on 09:09 - May 30 by EllDale |
As you say the constituency boundaries have changed including taking Spotland and Falinge out of Rochdale into Heywood North.
I suspect that a lot of Galloway voters could be affected by this. |
Galloway says he will be standing against Angela Rayner in her own constituency, so there may well be a shift in voting patterns in the Rochdale seat. | | | |
| Azhar Ali on 13:15 - May 30 with 2186 views | D_Alien |
| Azhar Ali on 12:50 - May 30 by turnthescrew |
Galloway says he will be standing against Angela Rayner in her own constituency, so there may well be a shift in voting patterns in the Rochdale seat. |
I could be wrong, but i think Galloway merely said that his party would be fielding a candidate against Rayner |  |
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| Azhar Ali on 15:00 - May 30 with 2062 views | DaleFan7 |
If there isn't a decent independent on the ballot then I'd seriously be considering spoiling mine because the offerings of the two main parties plus Galloway's are shocking at local and national level. | | | |
| Azhar Ali on 15:47 - May 30 with 1987 views | ThreeLions |
We need the constituents to vote Galloway and his one trick pony politics out of our town. Tactical voting from all parties is needed against the large Asian vote. |  | | |
| Azhar Ali on 17:48 - May 30 with 1845 views | foreverhopefulDale |
| Azhar Ali on 08:55 - May 30 by isitme |
Bizzarely, if he wins the football club is not in his consituency, although he may be useful in helping to secure training facilities within the borough. I suspect he will hoover up a lot of the independent vote and should have enough votes to beat Galloway.
I am not sure what Elsie Blundell's views are on football as she is likely to be the next MP for Heywood and Middleton North. |
I fail to see why the Labour candidate would attract independent voters. Surely a Labour MP , part of the Labour government will be part of it's machine, Galloway like him or not, or his policies is surely more of an independent than the Labour or Tory candidates. If the attraction of Waugh is him being a Dale fan and local lad, is that enough? Before I voted for him I would need to know that he wouldn't simply be voting fodder for Starmer, what are his policies. Even Galloway has been raising in Parliament about football governance, Rochdale maternity services etc, and showed a willingness to work with the Club if he can do anything. I have no doubt that Waugh will be fantastic at representing the Dale in the role of an MP, should he get elected.
There is absolutely no doubt that the next government is going to be a Labour led one, just might not be Starmer, if he loses his seat. |  |
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| Azhar Ali on 18:45 - May 30 with 1741 views | Rodingdale |
| Azhar Ali on 17:48 - May 30 by foreverhopefulDale |
I fail to see why the Labour candidate would attract independent voters. Surely a Labour MP , part of the Labour government will be part of it's machine, Galloway like him or not, or his policies is surely more of an independent than the Labour or Tory candidates. If the attraction of Waugh is him being a Dale fan and local lad, is that enough? Before I voted for him I would need to know that he wouldn't simply be voting fodder for Starmer, what are his policies. Even Galloway has been raising in Parliament about football governance, Rochdale maternity services etc, and showed a willingness to work with the Club if he can do anything. I have no doubt that Waugh will be fantastic at representing the Dale in the role of an MP, should he get elected.
There is absolutely no doubt that the next government is going to be a Labour led one, just might not be Starmer, if he loses his seat. |
Ref your final point.
Starmer has a 28,000 majority with 64.5% of the vote in a seat which has been Labour since 1983… | | | |
| Azhar Ali on 18:53 - May 30 with 1737 views | turnthescrew |
| Azhar Ali on 18:45 - May 30 by Rodingdale |
Ref your final point.
Starmer has a 28,000 majority with 64.5% of the vote in a seat which has been Labour since 1983… |
That doesn't mean he's PM material. I can't see anything positive about him. | | | |
| Azhar Ali on 21:38 - May 30 with 1584 views | Rodingdale |
| Azhar Ali on 18:53 - May 30 by turnthescrew |
That doesn't mean he's PM material. I can't see anything positive about him. |
Oh - I wholeheartedly agree, but think it unlikely he’ll lose his seat. The CRINKs will be laughing their heads off at the prospect SKS is our PM. | | | |
| Azhar Ali on 00:30 - May 31 with 1453 views | pioneer |
| Azhar Ali on 21:38 - May 30 by Rodingdale |
Oh - I wholeheartedly agree, but think it unlikely he’ll lose his seat. The CRINKs will be laughing their heads off at the prospect SKS is our PM. |
I struggle to support labour party leaders who were born in the south of England and represent constituencies in the south of England. Neither the current one nor his predecessor had any real exposure to traditional labour areas. You have to go back to Clem Attlee for the one before that. | | | |
| Azhar Ali on 09:41 - May 31 with 1246 views | SuddenLad |
| Azhar Ali on 00:30 - May 31 by pioneer |
I struggle to support labour party leaders who were born in the south of England and represent constituencies in the south of England. Neither the current one nor his predecessor had any real exposure to traditional labour areas. You have to go back to Clem Attlee for the one before that. |
Harold Wilson was a leader with strong Northern llinks. |  |
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| Azhar Ali on 09:57 - May 31 with 1225 views | judd |
| Azhar Ali on 09:41 - May 31 by SuddenLad |
Harold Wilson was a leader with strong Northern llinks. |
Was he Welsh? |  |
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| Azhar Ali on 10:18 - May 31 with 1205 views | tony_roch975 |
| Azhar Ali on 09:57 - May 31 by judd |
Was he Welsh? |
wasn't he born in Huddersffielldd | |
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| Azhar Ali on 10:22 - May 31 with 1195 views | judd |
| Azhar Ali on 10:18 - May 31 by tony_roch975 |
wasn't he born in Huddersffielldd |
Llol! | |
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