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Me too - once they started putting letters into Maths I was lost. I hate Maths with a passion. My sister taught it for 40 years. I've been teaching English for 10. When we were kids, I did her English homework and she did my Maths. It clearly was meant to be!
Have you read any of these books, or are you just pre-judging them?
I have said nothing about 'sole evidence'. But take the time to read just one of these, and you may encounter some arguments about systemic racism you've not heard before.
Alternatively, ignore the books, ignore what the club's DoF is saying, come on a message board and claim without anything to back it up that "The narrative is that this is a completely racist country", and that in your humble opinion, this situation is "a load of absolute cnt"
Me too - once they started putting letters into Maths I was lost. I hate Maths with a passion. My sister taught it for 40 years. I've been teaching English for 10. When we were kids, I did her English homework and she did my Maths. It clearly was meant to be!
"Me too - once they started putting letters into Maths I was lost." - Great line.
Sums me up perfectly.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Feeding the beast that bites you. By the way, i cancelled mine, that'll teach em!
I'm really struggling with this at the moment Dave. Want to get rid on moral grounds but really love my cricket. Becoming less and less fussed about the football
Yes systemic racism is at the root of this. There's plenty of enlightening reading out there on the subject.
Akala - Natives: Race & Class in the Ruins of Empire Afua Hirsch - Brit(ish): On Race, Identity & Belonging Renni Edo-Lodge - Why I'm No Longer Talking to White People About Race Layla Saad - Me and White Supremacy: How to Recognise Privilege, Combat Racism and Change the World Ibram X Kendi - How to be an Anti-Racist
This is an excellent counter point to the Critical Social Justice stance.
Much more balanced imo, the host does go on too much in the last half but some heavyweight black intellectuals are featured.
Have you read any of these books, or are you just pre-judging them?
I have said nothing about 'sole evidence'. But take the time to read just one of these, and you may encounter some arguments about systemic racism you've not heard before.
Alternatively, ignore the books, ignore what the club's DoF is saying, come on a message board and claim without anything to back it up that "The narrative is that this is a completely racist country", and that in your humble opinion, this situation is "a load of absolute cnt"
So by your logic unless you have read Mein Kampf you know nothing about Facism or the Nazis. Yes?
So by your logic unless you have read Mein Kampf you know nothing about Facism or the Nazis. Yes?
Absolute baloney.
I think you can learn enough about Facism or the Nazis by a simple reading of history.
Unless you can point to such evident carnage wrought by Renni Edo-Lodge or Layla Saad then yes, you probably do need to read their books to understand their viewpoint.
I think you can learn enough about Facism or the Nazis by a simple reading of history.
Unless you can point to such evident carnage wrought by Renni Edo-Lodge or Layla Saad then yes, you probably do need to read their books to understand their viewpoint.
No, the point is you are trying to rubbish someone's opinion because they havent read books that you deem a requirement on the subject.
This is an excellent counter point to the Critical Social Justice stance.
Much more balanced imo, the host does go on too much in the last half but some heavyweight black intellectuals are featured.
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Thanks for posting this, it looks really interesting. In particular I’d never heard of Chloé Valdary and her “Theory of Enchantment” anti- racism training, which is based on principles that I wholeheartedly agree with. A very good book on this topic is the recently published “Cynical Theories:How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race,Gender and Identity-and why this harms Everybody” by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay.
No, the point is you are trying to rubbish someone's opinion because they havent read books that you deem a requirement on the subject.
Pretty pathetic imo.
Hold on, no, I'm not.
I'm saying you need to read a book before understanding it and criticising it and the author. That's not the same as saying you need to read Mein Kampf to understand the Nazis were the bad guys.
I'm sure Northern wants this debate like a hole in the head so I'll leave it there.
Thanks for posting this, it looks really interesting. In particular I’d never heard of Chloé Valdary and her “Theory of Enchantment” anti- racism training, which is based on principles that I wholeheartedly agree with. A very good book on this topic is the recently published “Cynical Theories:How Activist Scholarship Made Everything about Race,Gender and Identity-and why this harms Everybody” by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsay.
You're welcome. I'll be reading Cynical Theories. Helen and James talk a lot of sense, the New Discourses website they write on is often brilliant.
Like Trevor Phillips, I chose to read some of these books to get different viewpoints to help me make well rounded judgments.
In answer to bakerloo, I have read plenty about fascism too. On that one, I concluded I'm not a fan.
There is a lot of talk about how angry and polarised we have become as a society, and the role social media (incl messageboards & forums) has played in this. Reading differing viewpoints is one way we can start to address this and open our minds to different views & arguments.
I know everybody here wants this thread to die now that QPR Top Brass have put out an excellent statement but the news out of Kentucky USA today will ensure fireworks continue . Only one officer is being charged after a no knock warrant and resulting shootout ended with an innocent woman dead and her boyfriend shot as well as one cop clipped in the leg .. Its an incredible story and both sides of the argument are compelling to be fair. The City settled with her family for 13 Mil this week but I feel that wont stop the rioting ,burning and looting further dishonoring her name Breonna Taylor .
On the Podcast a year or so ago she said something along the lines of there not being many black fans at QPR and rather than people point out she was not correct they lost their shit at her
Not quite.
She said QPR have a racist problem because we don't have 50/50 split between black and white fans...
When black fans pulled her up about this saying she was talking nonsense she refused to engage with them. When anyone white questioned it she accused them of being members of the EDL or FLA.
As I said, she's an indefensible fruitloop.
As someone once asked on another forum, does she want us to have a 'bring a black day'?
She said QPR have a racist problem because we don't have 50/50 split between black and white fans...
When black fans pulled her up about this saying she was talking nonsense she refused to engage with them. When anyone white questioned it she accused them of being members of the EDL or FLA.
As I said, she's an indefensible fruitloop.
As someone once asked on another forum, does she want us to have a 'bring a black day'?
She said QPR have a racist problem because we don't have 50/50 split between black and white fans...
When black fans pulled her up about this saying she was talking nonsense she refused to engage with them. When anyone white questioned it she accused them of being members of the EDL or FLA.
As I said, she's an indefensible fruitloop.
As someone once asked on another forum, does she want us to have a 'bring a black day'?
Maybe spend some more time on that forum, sounds like a better place for you.
Pointing out that the matchday crowd isn't by a large margin representative of the diversity in the fanbase and the local community it serves is barely controversial. It's a socio-economic problem in football not just at QPR, and an obvious question of what steps can be taken to better address that to have put to our POC DOF.
That being said (and it wasn't said or insinuated by her at any point just for the record) I don't think it's too hard to figure out what nerves were so grievously touched in those most offended by that observation and whyever they would go to the lengths of misconstruing her as a misandrist black supremacist in perceived retaliation.
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