| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 11:02 - Feb 26 with 2236 views | 442Dale |
Saw it last night, crazy. Really, what is it achieving to persist with this when the opposition are pushed right up? |  |
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| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 11:09 - Feb 26 with 2225 views | SaxonDale |
| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 11:02 - Feb 26 by 442Dale |
Saw it last night, crazy. Really, what is it achieving to persist with this when the opposition are pushed right up? |
Because that's when the team's midfield and attack would have the best numerical advantage if it were to pay off! Whether enough teams (including ours currently) have enough quality to do it is another question.
Edit- As an aside does Henderson still stand 'offside' from goal kicks? Did that a few years ago and it was quite effective at stretching the team. Would be even more so now (if Sanchez could reach him!) [Post edited 26 Feb 2020 11:37]
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| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 12:20 - Feb 26 with 2159 views | 442Dale |
| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 11:09 - Feb 26 by SaxonDale |
Because that's when the team's midfield and attack would have the best numerical advantage if it were to pay off! Whether enough teams (including ours currently) have enough quality to do it is another question.
Edit- As an aside does Henderson still stand 'offside' from goal kicks? Did that a few years ago and it was quite effective at stretching the team. Would be even more so now (if Sanchez could reach him!) [Post edited 26 Feb 2020 11:37]
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Risk v reward indeed. It’s just that we’ve seen far too much risk in terms of goals conceded. It’s not that it shouldn’t be used, just the regularity of it.
If we’d played like we do now when BBM took over we wouldn’t have stayed up. | |
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| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 12:24 - Feb 26 with 2154 views | 49thseason |
Last time I checked it was 11 v 11, so where is this numerical advantage?
Assuming there is a goalkeeper and 2 outfield players involved in "playing out" and 2 or 3 opposing players close down the 2 outfield players and keeper where is the numerical advantage? If only 2 players close down the outfield players the keeper is left with little option other than bootng it upfield.
Essentially, playing out from the back is designed to retain possession rather than reducing the chance of losing it from a long clearance. If attackers go man for man on the defenders, the chance of losing the ball is probably higher given that defenders are generally less competent ball players than forwards and the chances of giving away a goal increase as the action takes place closer to goal.
The change in the laws about goal kicks has been responsible for this "new tactic" and coaches have attempted to find an advantage from it. But the simple fact is that a team playing out has to make more successful passes to get within shooting range and each pass increases the risk of losing the ball. They also requre a highly mobile group of players in front of the ball, something else we are not overly endowed with
The above may not apply to the Liverpools and the Citys but in L1 its a recipe for disaster several times a season as has already been proved. Currently we are in dire need of points, playing football in the opposition half seems like a tactic more likely to gain us points. Wilbraham has to play 90 minutes and we need to get the football into the opposition penalty area far more often to give Henderson a few more shooting opportunities. |  | | |
| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 12:39 - Feb 26 with 2129 views | D_Alien |
There's another very simple explanation for our inability to compete successfully whilst persisting with this experiment
Other teams close us down around our penalty area - we don't close other teams down anywhere near to the same extent. It's just handing the opposition a major advantage right from the word go
Same goes for basics like thrown-ins, and has done for a long time, but with less risk |  |
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| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 14:00 - Feb 26 with 2030 views | paulscho |
| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 12:20 - Feb 26 by 442Dale |
Risk v reward indeed. It’s just that we’ve seen far too much risk in terms of goals conceded. It’s not that it shouldn’t be used, just the regularity of it.
If we’d played like we do now when BBM took over we wouldn’t have stayed up. |
My point in a Knutshell,WHY OH WHY not go back to what we did when they kept us up ?????
No brainer. |  |
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| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 14:09 - Feb 26 with 2015 views | D_Alien |
| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 14:00 - Feb 26 by paulscho |
My point in a Knutshell,WHY OH WHY not go back to what we did when they kept us up ?????
No brainer. |
King Knut tactics? | |
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| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 19:50 - Feb 26 with 1849 views | Shun |
| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 11:09 - Feb 26 by SaxonDale |
Because that's when the team's midfield and attack would have the best numerical advantage if it were to pay off! Whether enough teams (including ours currently) have enough quality to do it is another question.
Edit- As an aside does Henderson still stand 'offside' from goal kicks? Did that a few years ago and it was quite effective at stretching the team. Would be even more so now (if Sanchez could reach him!) [Post edited 26 Feb 2020 11:37]
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Exactly. It’s pretty obvious why teams play out from the back and what benefits that style of play brings. It works to good effect when good teams do it. The problem is that we haven’t seen that yet at Dale, which as we’ve all been crying out for all season, raises the need for a Plan B. |  | | |
| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 22:38 - Feb 26 with 1763 views | nordenblue |
| Played For Both: Portsmouth v Dale on 19:50 - Feb 26 by Shun |
Exactly. It’s pretty obvious why teams play out from the back and what benefits that style of play brings. It works to good effect when good teams do it. The problem is that we haven’t seen that yet at Dale, which as we’ve all been crying out for all season, raises the need for a Plan B. |
Talking of playing it out from the back,Man City conceded tonight pissing around with it and defenders overplaying the ball to each other against Real Madrid.
The good teams all have an abundance of pace up front too ready for when they hit the opposition on the break and they push numbers up, again something our current team have absolutely zero of. | | | |
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