| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? 15:57 - Feb 15 with 1795 views | trampie |
I wrote years and years ago that the UK could break up because of perpetual right wing governments in Westminster [both Labour and Conservative] and that the Scots and Welsh might not accept that situation leading to the union breaking up, at that point in time people were laughing, they are not now, I thought the Scots would win independence at the second time of asking, when they got an independence vote I thought they would get between a quarter and a third of the vote, they actually got close on 45%, with all the dirty tricks against them as well.
What's changed in the 10/15 years since I foreseen the possible breakup of the UK in decades to come, due to right wing governments in Westminster not been stomached by Scotland and Wales is that it is estimated that a million English immigrants have come to a small country like Wales in the last decade, Wales has been called West Anglia and who can argue with that, the voting dynamics have changed in Wales, but we have now had brexit and Scotland and N.Ireland voted to stay in Europe, Wales only just voted to leave even with all that immigration, the fact of perpetual right wing governments since Labour became a right wing party is set to continue so the pressures on the UK union will continue, it might even increase. [Post edited 15 Feb 2017 16:09]
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:05 - Feb 15 with 1787 views | rock1n |
Not being stomached?
We just voted for brexit in Wales and have a considerable amount of people voting tory and UKIP.
You live in a fantasy land, I think you should move to Scotland mate |  |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:08 - Feb 15 with 1775 views | blueytheblue |
"Wales only just voted to leave even with all that immigration".
Trumpie's a 'Kipper! |  |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:18 - Feb 15 with 1760 views | controversial_jack |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:08 - Feb 15 by blueytheblue |
"Wales only just voted to leave even with all that immigration".
Trumpie's a 'Kipper! |
Brexiters will do what Hitler or the Kaiser failed to do | | | |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:23 - Feb 15 with 1756 views | trampie |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:05 - Feb 15 by rock1n |
Not being stomached?
We just voted for brexit in Wales and have a considerable amount of people voting tory and UKIP.
You live in a fantasy land, I think you should move to Scotland mate |
Who's 'we' ?, a million immigrants or the indigenous population.
Welsh speaking Wales is overrun, Welsh Wales has lost its heavy industry and the people are hitting out, British Wales has always been English in sentiment.
It was thought that what made Wales politically different to England was that Y Fro Gymraeg and Welsh Wales would vote for Wales and Welsh interests no matter what England voted but due to immigration into Welsh speaking Wales and the loss of heavy industry in Welsh Wales then things have become skewed. | |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:25 - Feb 15 with 1750 views | blueytheblue |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:23 - Feb 15 by trampie |
Who's 'we' ?, a million immigrants or the indigenous population.
Welsh speaking Wales is overrun, Welsh Wales has lost its heavy industry and the people are hitting out, British Wales has always been English in sentiment.
It was thought that what made Wales politically different to England was that Y Fro Gymraeg and Welsh Wales would vote for Wales and Welsh interests no matter what England voted but due to immigration into Welsh speaking Wales and the loss of heavy industry in Welsh Wales then things have become skewed. |
About this ethnic purity thing, Trampie... | |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:26 - Feb 15 with 1746 views | westwalesed |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:18 - Feb 15 by controversial_jack |
Brexiters will do what Hitler or the Kaiser failed to do |
Disgraceful comment. | |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:42 - Feb 15 with 1724 views | LeonWasGod |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:23 - Feb 15 by trampie |
Who's 'we' ?, a million immigrants or the indigenous population.
Welsh speaking Wales is overrun, Welsh Wales has lost its heavy industry and the people are hitting out, British Wales has always been English in sentiment.
It was thought that what made Wales politically different to England was that Y Fro Gymraeg and Welsh Wales would vote for Wales and Welsh interests no matter what England voted but due to immigration into Welsh speaking Wales and the loss of heavy industry in Welsh Wales then things have become skewed. |
Welsh speaking Wales doesn't define the country though Trampie. There has to be room for the non-speaking Welsh and their views. Ignore that and independence will remain a fantasy. |  | | |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:55 - Feb 15 with 1710 views | trampie |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:42 - Feb 15 by LeonWasGod |
Welsh speaking Wales doesn't define the country though Trampie. There has to be room for the non-speaking Welsh and their views. Ignore that and independence will remain a fantasy. |
Yes totally agree. | |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 17:14 - Feb 15 with 1698 views | Groo |
Yes Trampie yes, they are still laughing.
Look at me, I'm laughing, hahaha |  |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 17:46 - Feb 15 with 1662 views | Flashberryjack |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:18 - Feb 15 by controversial_jack |
Brexiters will do what Hitler or the Kaiser failed to do |
Explain please. |  |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 18:29 - Feb 15 with 1625 views | Lohengrin |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:18 - Feb 15 by controversial_jack |
Brexiters will do what Hitler or the Kaiser failed to do |
Not grow a comedy moustache?
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 07:01 - Feb 16 with 1536 views | Kilkennyjack |
Yes the union is dead as an unintended consequence of the idiotic Brexit.
Its the only positive.
Scotland with all its SNP MPs and new found political awakening will vote Yes next time and be a free Scotland in Europe, as thats the will of the people.
Norn Iron will also come to an arrangement with the Republic to sponsor it staying in Europe, again the will if the people. Plus the land border issue.
Wales unfortunately will retain its recent village idiot like reputation and role. Promises made before Brexit will remain unfulfilled with perpetual Tory scum rule from London. We wont get the money we were promised for NHS, nor replacent funding for the lost EU monies. Then we will blame ourselves and say that without the English Govt crumbs we would be fecked.
Never mind, eh ...... |  |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 08:56 - Feb 16 with 1502 views | Pacemaker |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:23 - Feb 15 by trampie |
Who's 'we' ?, a million immigrants or the indigenous population.
Welsh speaking Wales is overrun, Welsh Wales has lost its heavy industry and the people are hitting out, British Wales has always been English in sentiment.
It was thought that what made Wales politically different to England was that Y Fro Gymraeg and Welsh Wales would vote for Wales and Welsh interests no matter what England voted but due to immigration into Welsh speaking Wales and the loss of heavy industry in Welsh Wales then things have become skewed. |
Where do you think the millions came from to flood the S Wales valleys at the time of the coal, slate, copper,iron,steel rush?
For well over 200 years Wales has been " invaded" by Johnny Foreigner looking for economic growth. Wales up until the Industrial revolution was sparsely occupied very very few people in Wales have any right to claim they are 100% Welsh.
Check out your family tree Trampie most of your relatives will be immigrants from all over the UK.
You and the majority of us are a mix of Northern Europeans. |  |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 09:54 - Feb 16 with 1474 views | trampie |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 08:56 - Feb 16 by Pacemaker |
Where do you think the millions came from to flood the S Wales valleys at the time of the coal, slate, copper,iron,steel rush?
For well over 200 years Wales has been " invaded" by Johnny Foreigner looking for economic growth. Wales up until the Industrial revolution was sparsely occupied very very few people in Wales have any right to claim they are 100% Welsh.
Check out your family tree Trampie most of your relatives will be immigrants from all over the UK.
You and the majority of us are a mix of Northern Europeans. |
Rape of a fair country and all that butt, Welsh resources were plundered and the profit often went East into private hands, some of the profits should have been invested in the community as in infrastructure projects etc but more often than not that was not the case the country was plundered for profit.
As regards family tree you speak for yourself, if people have a Celtic surname and no known immigrants in their tree then so be it, if people have a cosmopolitan family tree then so be it, it should not make any difference and certainly does not make any difference to me. [Post edited 16 Feb 2017 10:07]
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 13:30 - Feb 16 with 1409 views | Highjack |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:18 - Feb 15 by controversial_jack |
Brexiters will do what Hitler or the Kaiser failed to do |
Unite Europe under a oppressive and undemocratic German rule?
You might be on to something there. |  |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 14:02 - Feb 16 with 1390 views | Joe_bradshaw |
Trumpie's right, we're overrun by English.
Not only that but I've heard it said that the b'stards breed... |  |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:51 - Feb 16 with 1351 views | controversial_jack |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 13:30 - Feb 16 by Highjack |
Unite Europe under a oppressive and undemocratic German rule?
You might be on to something there. |
Germany will rule the EU, but it won't be undemocratic. | | | |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 11:56 - Feb 18 with 1273 views | rock1n |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:23 - Feb 15 by trampie |
Who's 'we' ?, a million immigrants or the indigenous population.
Welsh speaking Wales is overrun, Welsh Wales has lost its heavy industry and the people are hitting out, British Wales has always been English in sentiment.
It was thought that what made Wales politically different to England was that Y Fro Gymraeg and Welsh Wales would vote for Wales and Welsh interests no matter what England voted but due to immigration into Welsh speaking Wales and the loss of heavy industry in Welsh Wales then things have become skewed. |
Heavy Industry is anti Welsh Nationalism you donkey | |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 12:40 - Feb 18 with 1258 views | ItchySphincter |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 16:23 - Feb 15 by trampie |
Who's 'we' ?, a million immigrants or the indigenous population.
Welsh speaking Wales is overrun, Welsh Wales has lost its heavy industry and the people are hitting out, British Wales has always been English in sentiment.
It was thought that what made Wales politically different to England was that Y Fro Gymraeg and Welsh Wales would vote for Wales and Welsh interests no matter what England voted but due to immigration into Welsh speaking Wales and the loss of heavy industry in Welsh Wales then things have become skewed. |
How old are you? I'd wager approximately my age. What is "Welsh Wales" by the way and how and who by is it overrun? Are you referring to those little rural outposts where the second language can be heard whilst hambones are being overrun by sheep? |  |
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 18:20 - Feb 18 with 1225 views | trampie |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 12:40 - Feb 18 by ItchySphincter |
How old are you? I'd wager approximately my age. What is "Welsh Wales" by the way and how and who by is it overrun? Are you referring to those little rural outposts where the second language can be heard whilst hambones are being overrun by sheep? |
Dr Denis Balsom’s Three Wales Model a piece of work from the mid 80's I believe.
'Welsh speaking Wales' [Y Fro Gymraeg] is West Wales and North West Wales.
'Welsh Wales' is Swansea and the South Wales valleys.
'British Wales' is Pembrokeshire, North East Wales and Cardiff and Monmouthshire.
'Welsh speaking Wales' is getting overrun by immigrants and getting diluted.
'Welsh Wales' is/has lost its heavy industry.
'British Wales' is Anglo centric.
Plaid needed to win 'Welsh speaking Wales' [where they were fairly strong] and 'Welsh Wales' [Swansea, Llanelli, Merthyr, Aberdare, Bridgend, Maesteg, Caerphilly, Pontypridd, Ebbw Vale, the Rhondda etc] which was Labour territory but instead of Plaid making inroads UKIP are currently making in roads.
'British Wales' areas are areas that are like little England.
Plaid need to win 2 out of the 3 areas to win an election, they are not going to win in 'little England', their heartlands are getting overrun and although Labour are starting to lose votes in 'Welsh Wales' [Swansea and the valleys], Labour are losing votes to UKIP whereas some were hoping those votes would have gone to Plaid, but there you go, its still all to play for.
The political landscape in Wales is going to be mixed to say the least the way things are going. [Post edited 18 Feb 2017 18:41]
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| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 19:33 - Feb 18 with 1192 views | SnakePlissken |
Even if Wales and Scotland did break away from England. Would it really make that much difference? By the way, I don't think it will happen. | | | |
| Will the UK break up because of Brexit amongst other things ? on 19:55 - Feb 18 with 1176 views | trampie |
ItchySphincter gone quiet, lol. [Post edited 19 Feb 2017 13:17]
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