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Given that the girl in question never made a complaint of being raped, rather that she couldn't remember what happened, it does seem odd that the CPS ever decided that pursuing a charge of rape was ever in the public interest. Evans' reputation is forever trashed, the girl has had to change her identity and move home several times and the whole legal process of successfully reporting rape and obtaining a conviction has been dragged through the mud. The only winners seem to be the self-appointed moral guardians of the Twitterati.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 13:38 - Oct 15 with 2224 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 13:03 - Oct 15 by WanderR
Given that the girl in question never made a complaint of being raped, rather that she couldn't remember what happened, it does seem odd that the CPS ever decided that pursuing a charge of rape was ever in the public interest. Evans' reputation is forever trashed, the girl has had to change her identity and move home several times and the whole legal process of successfully reporting rape and obtaining a conviction has been dragged through the mud. The only winners seem to be the self-appointed moral guardians of the Twitterati.
I suppose a few lawyers have made a couple of quid. I wonder if the CPS got a drink out of it.
Strong and stable my arse.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 17:56 - Oct 15 with 2162 views
All very valid points but he also misses the fact that she had previous with not remembering what happened the night before when appearing to be 'not that drunk'. I was dubious about her memory loss at the first trial but after reading her texts the day after the event (new evidence from one of the witnesses), she seems genuine in believing her drinks had been spiked. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this piece of evidence is what tipped the balance and led to a majority verdict of not guilty.
Don't get me wrong, he's a scumbag for barging in on his mate and then, when offered, having a go himself but the amount of moral vitriol being spewed by a few here and elsewhere on both sides is quite depressing. The best thing Evans can do now is to do a lot of voluntary work talking to young players warning them of the perils of being a billy big bollox with more money than sense. He's got a lot of fences to mend.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 20:33 - Oct 15 with 2110 views
What a nice bloke,be proud to have him as a mate,brother,father,uncle,cousin,
knut
As for his fiance,why would she put up with that sort of behavior........WTF?
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I know almost nothing about the Premier League even though I try to catch the big games every now and then at the end of the season. But I will say this, Queens Park Rangers is just a fukking sick ass team name. Just sounds so cool.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 22:28 - Oct 15 with 2067 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 16:23 - Oct 14 by johncharles
There was a pretty heated debate on here and elsewhere at the time of his appeal. Lots of people just couldn't get their heads round the fact that just because he's a shitbag and behaved disgracefully that it automatically makes him guilty. There wasn't enough evidence from the start and the case should never have gone ahead in the first place. A complete balls up by the CPS and the judiciary. He will now be seeking compensation and may be suing some people. Jessica Ennis-Hill retired yesterday.
Totally agree. Guy is a cheating scumbag, with far too much money and little respect for women but from the evidence I saw he should never have had to go to court let alone get convicted.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 22:40 - Oct 15 with 2057 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 22:28 - Oct 15 by WestonsuperR
Totally agree. Guy is a cheating scumbag, with far too much money and little respect for women but from the evidence I saw he should never have had to go to court let alone get convicted.
"Guy is a cheating scumbag, with far too much money and little respect for women but from the evidence I saw he should never have had to go to court let alone get convicted."
He got what he deserved.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 07:19 - Oct 16 with 2013 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 22:40 - Oct 15 by PunteR
"Guy is a cheating scumbag, with far too much money and little respect for women but from the evidence I saw he should never have had to go to court let alone get convicted."
He got what he deserved.
So being a cheating scumbag etc is worth a 5 year prison sentence and a lifetime of being branded a rapist??
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 08:21 - Oct 16 with 1995 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 07:19 - Oct 16 by WestonsuperR
So being a cheating scumbag etc is worth a 5 year prison sentence and a lifetime of being branded a rapist??
He put himself and that girl in this situation. The problem with it, it was borderline to whether he raped her.Did she know when she agreed to go back to the hotel that the night would end up with Evans sneaking into the room ? Did Evans even know what state she was in before turning up. ? She never said she was raped,she just couldn't remember. people just put two and two together and made five be because of his shabby irresponsible actions. He had no class and just shagged that girl with no thought of the consequence. Well he got 2.5 years in prison. Hopefully footballers will think twice and behave more responsible considering their stature in society and the rewards it brings them. As far as the girl goes, she's probably learnt her lesson of not going out shagging blokes she doesn't know.
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 17:56 - Oct 15 by GaryT
All very valid points but he also misses the fact that she had previous with not remembering what happened the night before when appearing to be 'not that drunk'. I was dubious about her memory loss at the first trial but after reading her texts the day after the event (new evidence from one of the witnesses), she seems genuine in believing her drinks had been spiked. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced this piece of evidence is what tipped the balance and led to a majority verdict of not guilty.
Don't get me wrong, he's a scumbag for barging in on his mate and then, when offered, having a go himself but the amount of moral vitriol being spewed by a few here and elsewhere on both sides is quite depressing. The best thing Evans can do now is to do a lot of voluntary work talking to young players warning them of the perils of being a billy big bollox with more money than sense. He's got a lot of fences to mend.
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The Kebab shop owner The taxi driver that took her and the other bloke to the premier Inn The receptionist at the premier Inn
All said under oath that she was drunk
She also woke up alone and had wet the bed
Ched Evans said he did not think she was drunk, nor sure how he came to that view as he agreed in court that he did not speak to her before,during or after they had sex.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 14:20 - Oct 16 with 1904 views
There's quite a big gap between being drunk and being close to unconscious. We've all seen people staggering along hardly able to keep themselves upright who are still some way from being unconscious yet she was more than capable of tottering outside the Inn in her high heels and bending down to pick up a pizza box off the floor and then tottering back in again without looking even the slightest bit unsteady. People can say what they like but the video evidence is pretty clear. She may have been a bit tipsy in the kebab shop but whatever she ate in there and then the pizza probably helped sober her up a bit.
She wet the bed? Not seen any report of that, not that it proves anything anyway.
Evans deduced she wasn't that drunk because she was engaged in various sexual positions with McDonald, dictating the play and verbally telling him what to do. When asked by McDonald if his mate could join in, she said sure so it's perfectly possible to see that someone isn't that drunk without talking to them. All this has been detailed in the trial so there's really no need to go over it again.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 14:35 - Oct 16 with 1884 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 14:20 - Oct 16 by GaryT
There's quite a big gap between being drunk and being close to unconscious. We've all seen people staggering along hardly able to keep themselves upright who are still some way from being unconscious yet she was more than capable of tottering outside the Inn in her high heels and bending down to pick up a pizza box off the floor and then tottering back in again without looking even the slightest bit unsteady. People can say what they like but the video evidence is pretty clear. She may have been a bit tipsy in the kebab shop but whatever she ate in there and then the pizza probably helped sober her up a bit.
She wet the bed? Not seen any report of that, not that it proves anything anyway.
Evans deduced she wasn't that drunk because she was engaged in various sexual positions with McDonald, dictating the play and verbally telling him what to do. When asked by McDonald if his mate could join in, she said sure so it's perfectly possible to see that someone isn't that drunk without talking to them. All this has been detailed in the trial so there's really no need to go over it again.
Hang on a second - the video evidence at the premier Inn can be interpreted in different ways . personally it looked like she was drunk not "tipsy" to me,
The other three witnesses made it clear she was drunk and agree with the above.
Your last paragraph was also all detailed in the first trial and the jury found him guilty.
Which ever way you look at it, Evans was taking a huge risk and find it difficult to have any sympathy for him
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 18:00 - Oct 16 with 1835 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 14:41 - Oct 16 by horshamHoop
Hang on a second - the video evidence at the premier Inn can be interpreted in different ways . personally it looked like she was drunk not "tipsy" to me,
The other three witnesses made it clear she was drunk and agree with the above.
Your last paragraph was also all detailed in the first trial and the jury found him guilty.
Which ever way you look at it, Evans was taking a huge risk and find it difficult to have any sympathy for him
Drunk, tipsy or sober, it's not really the point. As the judge said, drunken consent is still consent so I'm not really sure what your argument is. It's not illegal to have sax with someone who's drunk, hell most of us wouldn't be here if it was.
I'm also not really sure how you can interpret CCTV footage to be anything other than what it is. Did it show her having any difficulty walking in high heels and bending down to pick up a pizza box and come back in with it? No, not a wobble, nothing. So the leap from that to being practically unconscious and incapable of making a rational decision 15 minutes later is something only the original judge and jury will know.
My last paragraph was in reply to you asking how was it possible for Evans to know if she was incapable of making a rational decision (or 'that drunk' as I put it simply) if Evans didn't speak to her. I gave you the explanation as to how it is possible. The fact that he was found guilty in the first trial doesn't mean anything that was said at that trial can now be dismissed as no longer relevant.
As to your last line, I'm almost in agreement. As I've said, he was a scumbag for cheating on his girlfriend and for barging in on his mate knowing what he would find but he's spent 2.5 years in jail and will spend the rest of his life living with the stigma of being a convicted rapist, so on that basis I do have some sympathy.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 18:26 - Oct 16 with 1813 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 18:00 - Oct 16 by GaryT
Drunk, tipsy or sober, it's not really the point. As the judge said, drunken consent is still consent so I'm not really sure what your argument is. It's not illegal to have sax with someone who's drunk, hell most of us wouldn't be here if it was.
I'm also not really sure how you can interpret CCTV footage to be anything other than what it is. Did it show her having any difficulty walking in high heels and bending down to pick up a pizza box and come back in with it? No, not a wobble, nothing. So the leap from that to being practically unconscious and incapable of making a rational decision 15 minutes later is something only the original judge and jury will know.
My last paragraph was in reply to you asking how was it possible for Evans to know if she was incapable of making a rational decision (or 'that drunk' as I put it simply) if Evans didn't speak to her. I gave you the explanation as to how it is possible. The fact that he was found guilty in the first trial doesn't mean anything that was said at that trial can now be dismissed as no longer relevant.
As to your last line, I'm almost in agreement. As I've said, he was a scumbag for cheating on his girlfriend and for barging in on his mate knowing what he would find but he's spent 2.5 years in jail and will spend the rest of his life living with the stigma of being a convicted rapist, so on that basis I do have some sympathy.
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Would he still have had sex with her if the girl was drunk and not really knowing what she was letting herself into.? I bet he didn't give it a second thought. I was listening on the radio today , and they were saying that in different countries where the law is different he would still have been charged with rape,given that he took advantage of her situation.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 18:55 - Oct 16 with 1795 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 18:26 - Oct 16 by PunteR
Would he still have had sex with her if the girl was drunk and not really knowing what she was letting herself into.? I bet he didn't give it a second thought. I was listening on the radio today , and they were saying that in different countries where the law is different he would still have been charged with rape,given that he took advantage of her situation.
"...not really knowing what she was letting herself into?" really? "Can my mate join in?" is pretty self explanatory and once she said 'sure' he probably didn't give it a second thought.
I'm sure if the same discussion was had on Al Jazeera (and if McDonald or Evans had been married) they'd be asking why the girl wasn't charged with adultery and not stoned to death?
The debate about whether he took advantage or whether she was a willing participant will continue ad infinitum and only those in the room at the time will know (and only those who remember the next day). She has previous with forgetting what happened the day before and subsequently he's been found innocent of rape so it's time to move on but for some it seems there will always be no smoke without fire. I think I've said enough and don't fancy another "anyone who thinks he's innocent is a cünt" remark so I'll leave it there.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 19:15 - Oct 16 with 1679 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 18:55 - Oct 16 by GaryT
"...not really knowing what she was letting herself into?" really? "Can my mate join in?" is pretty self explanatory and once she said 'sure' he probably didn't give it a second thought.
I'm sure if the same discussion was had on Al Jazeera (and if McDonald or Evans had been married) they'd be asking why the girl wasn't charged with adultery and not stoned to death?
The debate about whether he took advantage or whether she was a willing participant will continue ad infinitum and only those in the room at the time will know (and only those who remember the next day). She has previous with forgetting what happened the day before and subsequently he's been found innocent of rape so it's time to move on but for some it seems there will always be no smoke without fire. I think I've said enough and don't fancy another "anyone who thinks he's innocent is a cünt" remark so I'll leave it there.
"...not really knowing what she was letting herself into?" really? "Can my mate join in?" is pretty self explanatory and once she said 'sure' he probably didn't give it a second thought.
So why did she go the police?
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 22:52 - Oct 16 with 1614 views
Ched Evans found not guilty. on 22:06 - Oct 16 by PunteR
"...not really knowing what she was letting herself into?" really? "Can my mate join in?" is pretty self explanatory and once she said 'sure' he probably didn't give it a second thought.
So why did she go the police?
To report a lost handbag. Seriously PunteR, you should read the transcripts from both trials, you'll find all your answers there.
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Ched Evans found not guilty. on 23:20 - Oct 16 with 1598 views
In some respects the new not guilty plea only muddies the waters even further. If he was found guilty again, then regardless of his actual guilt, or if he was innocent but found guilty again - and I firmly believe the only people who really know for sure will be the 3 people in that room that night - then that would have sent out a clear message to society in this country that being this promiscuous comes with heightened risks. Evans was not on trial for his morals, as dubious as they would be considered by some and totally normal to others, so it just would have sent out a message to the younger generations that treating sexual relations like a pack of dogs who has found a bitch on heat sometimes comes with a heavy price. If he had been found guilty again then it would have meant him "taking one for the team" in being held up as an example of what the risks are. So whilst his trial was not on his morals, the messages on the outcome would be a warning about our choice of decisions on how we treat sex.
Now at nearly 50 years of age, with 3 teenage daughters, I am horrified by the events described in the court transcripts and my wife and I already have conversations with the girls about respecting themselves - from a young age. I am not going to take a Victorian moral high ground and propagate the "no sex before wedlock" agenda that my own parents would have adhered to, and I am not going to determine what is the moral yardstick for how people conduct themselves , you can set the expectations for your own offspring and then it is up to them.
The legal argument comes down to one thing and one thing only - consent. Everything else regarding the people's behaviour is not for us to judge. A quick scan of certain internet sites will quickly provide evidence of those specialist "actors" and "actresses" who are willing to engage in what seems to be quite legal multi-person action videos when sober and getting paid for it as well. So if these private persons such as Evans and his sort decide to behave in this way too, then that is up to them. However, the risk is, if you treat the act of sex in the same way as going for a post night out kebab, then you put yourself more at risk of ending up in court if you are not careful. In the same way you cant judge the girl's morals too, it is still a lesson. Treat sex this casually these days and it might bite back and hard.
If her drink was spiked, then it's highly unlikely Evans had anything to do with that based on how he came to be with the girl in question, therefore were that the case it puts even more doubt that it should ever have gone to court surely?
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