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Reply | Lucy Letby Guilty
at 16:04 5 Feb 2025
It looks like the quality of care at that hospital is found wanting judging by the experts that looked at the cases, it's a concern that some of these border hospitals in England are so poor when Welsh infants might get treated there.
I remember the Woodward case, a British expert saying why it was an existing injury and the Yanks saying who are you ? our eminent doctors say different, he told them that he actually invented the machine that created the images they were looking at, they had no answer only to say ' who do you think you are coming over here talking down to us' etc, they still found her guilty mind.
With lots of those doctors a few years later changing their mind and now having a different opinion.
People get wrapped up in the emotion of cases, if there is little in the way of witnesses, dna etc then juries and the like need to be sure in their minds that the person is 'beyond reasonable doubt guilty' which in my view should be 85% to 90% certain in their minds which is a high bar (10 out of 12 as a percentage = over 83%, I think sometimes judges accept 10 out of 12 hence my figure).
The three cases Woodward, Morris, Letby were all found guilty but should they have been found guilty beyond reasonable doubt is very much a matter of debate ?, as regards were they really guilty only they and God know that (and im not particularly religious but that is the best way of puting it) out of the three I would have said Letby looks the most guilty but that one has now also become a lot more debatable after these experts findings. |
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Reply | Lucy Letby Guilty
at 09:06 5 Feb 2025
It all comes down to beyond reasonable doubt like the Clydach case - was it beyond reasonable doubt ? a lot of the time it's not who is guilty or not guilty per se when there are no witnesses and no conclusive dna but was it beyond reasonable doubt ?
I pointed out before on the Clydach thread that lots of trials and appeals won by the crown doesn't mean that the case is safe, it can mean the opposite hence the appeals in the first place.
In these cases Clydach/Countess of Chester nobody knows if the convicted is really guilty in reality, they maybe, they may not be.
My guess is one is guilty and one isn't guilty. [Post edited 5 Feb 9:07]
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Reply | Pick a game to night
at 23:41 4 Feb 2025
Wrexham by the sound of it finally put in a 'performance and win' for the first time for a long time . |
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Reply | Pick a game to night
at 23:39 4 Feb 2025
Newport with an absolutely vital win tonight, seems like they might have been lucky judging by the stats but a vital win nevertheless, if they had lost they would have been in big trouble, that has eased for the time being at least. |
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Reply | Pick a game to night
at 23:35 4 Feb 2025
Tydfil did it yet again in injury time, the amount of times they have score in the last minute/injury time in recent weeks has been amazing and helped them to keep their lead at the top of the table but tonight's draw does leave the door slightly ajar for Totten. |
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Reply | Omagh inquiry
at 14:53 29 Jan 2025
As per the above link a sister of one of the victims is reported as saying that she is expecting "a very diluted version of the truth".
There are people in this country, dare I say simple people that think a government inquiry will be the whole truth and nothing but the truth, lol, think on, mind you they think the same about court cases, if somebody is found not guilty they think they are 100% innocent of the crime and if they are guilty they think they 100% done the crime, more enlighten people know its not always the case.
Have we had a public inquiry into the Lockerbie disaster, no I thought not, our government up to their necks in shady actions over the event and don't want a public inquiry into all those deaths. [Post edited 29 Jan 14:54]
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Reply | Omagh inquiry
at 14:31 29 Jan 2025
As per the above link a sister of one of the victims is reported as saying that she is expecting "a very diluted version of the truth". |
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Reply | Omagh inquiry
at 14:05 29 Jan 2025
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yvpw8rldxo
Even the families think its going to be a massive cover up, mi5, informants, Irish and UK government's all covering their involvement in events up, its obvious its going to be half truths, made up truths, diluted truths but not the whole truth, pity for the families but unfortunately its a murky shady world. |
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Reply | Omagh inquiry
at 15:38 28 Jan 2025
The Government want to be seen to be doing the right thing but no doubt the powers that be will do it in a chorgraphed way as not to show themselves in a bad light if they can. |
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Reply | Merthyr
at 15:31 28 Jan 2025
Big win for Merthyr on the weekend being a man down and scoring 2 injury time goals to get the win. |
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Reply | Omagh inquiry
at 14:48 28 Jan 2025
It's about could we have prevented it, what did we know, did we chose not to act, I'm not convinced the truth will come out, the Government won't want to be seen as taking an active part in a dirty war. |
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Reply | Omagh inquiry
at 14:45 28 Jan 2025
I would have thought that Gerry A was on the ceasefire side at that particular point in time, the so called hardliners did not agree with him doing deals with the English led UK state, I'm sure he knows a lot but not so sure he would know about the ins and outs of that particular incident. |
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Reply | Omagh inquiry
at 14:40 28 Jan 2025
I don't think anyone has been done in a criminal court (that has stuck) but people might have been sued and found guilty in a civil court, think that might have happened.
I think this inquiry (if its going to fair and honest, is a big if) is about could it have been prevented rather than who did it, I might be wrong I'm only seeing something on the news about it now.
Who's spies knew what ?, who did the spies tell (if there was spies)?, was it not acted on to keep moles undercover ?
There again it might be a case of don't admit or don't deny if we had people on the inside or not, if that is going to be the attitude it would be a sham. [Post edited 28 Jan 15:27]
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Thread | Omagh inquiry
at 14:28 28 Jan 2025
The Omagh bombing was a terrible atrocity but now finally after many years of the authorities seemingly avoiding having an inquiry there is going to be one, apparently to see if the atrocity could have been avoided.
Can any government be trusted to say the truth ?, will they not allow certain evidence, will they avoid having certain witnesses, will they blame another government , will they stick to their traditional neither admit or deny stance or will they throw one time employees under the bus.
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Reply | The Ger's v Utd
at 20:16 24 Jan 2025
Rangers fans fighting all over Manchester inside and outside the ground.
To think Celtic fans are in the main known for their good behaviour and then on the other hand God Save the Queen of England Rangers fans are known for their terrible behaviour.
I would still love to see them in the Premier league there are no teams in England with the passion and support of those two giants. |
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Reply | Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages
at 13:55 17 Jan 2025
The bottom line is the English/Brits/Loyalists/Unionists were the baddies, you can't go treating the indigenous population as second class citizens and expect no push back.
Jailing people without trial, you would expect that in a war......oh dear, they said it wasn't a war but acted like it was soldiers on the street, internment, curfews etc.
But the bad behaviour by the English types was well before jailing people without trial, it was no jobs, no votes for many, housing issues etc for the indigenous types, although the people in power, local government etc were the English types. |
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Reply | Commitment to Human Rights Act may mean IRA terrorists are paid damages
at 13:47 17 Jan 2025
Can't be arsed to go looking for links for people on the net, but im sure I've seen it that the Irish Government hung far more IRA members than what the British did and the Irish authorities were also accused of scores of extra judicial killings of IRA members as well. |
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